NARRATION/VOICE-OVER

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Suburban ghettos in Paris, Hamburg,
London and Amsterdam.

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They all look the same:

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The same architecture,
the same problems.

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Unemployment, uprooted youngsters, iso-
lated ethnic minorities, the war in Iraq.

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These are all at the root of
military fundamentalism in Europe...

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...and international terrorist networks.

Introduction with Omar

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I know that there are people
from my neighbourhood...

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...who both phone and have contacts
in your country.

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And it is certainly not
to discuss football.

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We're talking about international
criminal networks here.

NARRATION/VOICE-OVER:

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After September 11, many European
countries took drastic measures...

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...to combat terrorism.
But not Holland.

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The Dutch Security Service
did issue a report...

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...on terrorist recruitment practices
in Holland.

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The Moroccan community
was called on to collaborate.

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Has it made any difference?

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No.

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What are the consequences?

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How appealing is Holland
to international fundamentalists...

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...and terrorist organisations?

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We accompany a French investigative
journalist around Paris.

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And we meet a soldier of Allah, a foreign
terrorist who recruits Dutch boys...

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...for the holy war of Islam.

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CAPTION TITLE: JIHAD SOLDIER

Streets Suburb in Paris
Interview with Omar

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After September 11
I wanted to know...

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...who these extremists living in
a western society were.

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Most of them had a criminal record.

CAPTION TITLE: Omar Guendouz,JOURNALIST

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They did alcohol or drugs or women.

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And then it became apparent to me that
they were well-educated in Arabic...

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...they quoted the Koran,
and also literary Islamic texts.

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I thought: Who are these guys?
I grew up with these guys.

NARRATION/VOICE-OVER

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St. Denis is a Paris suburb.

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We accompany Omar Guendouz,
a local French journalist...

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...who is investigating Islamic extremism.

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We go to a shopping centre
recently raided by the French police.

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They found ingredients for a
chemical bomb and some explosives.

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They also rounded up
a Chechen network.

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The centre has been deserted since.

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Only an Indian mosque is still open,
but it is under close surveillance.

Omar in front of a mosque:
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This is a fundamentalist mosque.

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From here,
lots of fundamentalists went to...

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...Afghanistan, Pakistan and Kashmir.

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They held their meetings here.

NARRATION/VOICE-OVER:

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But the French police
can't monitor everyone.

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Take Raouf Ben Halima.

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Imam for the Tabligh,
a fundamentalist Islamic movement.

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On the streets he freely gives youngsters
his fundamentalist interpretation of Islam.

Imam talks to children in the street

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Allah asks us to love him.

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He loves us more than our mothers do.

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You were in your mother's womb
but Allah created you.

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Do you know how your insides work?

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Do you know how your stomach works?
Or how your hair and nails grow?

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You think they all work automatically,
right? You fill up your stomach...

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...and the waste goes down the toilet.
That's all Allah's doing.

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Allah devised that.

NARRATION/VOICE-OVER

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From fundamentalism to extremism.
For some, it's not such a big step.

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Especially if you live in a Paris suburb
or some other European metropolis.

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Omar Guendouz, second-generation
Algerian journalist and author...

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...saw it all happen
in the void of the Paris suburbs.

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He saw his classmates
become jihad soldiers.

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Which is why he has contacts in
the world of international terrorism.

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At our request, Omar set up a meeting
with a man called Nasser.

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Nasser trusts Omar.
He has known him for years.

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He will only talk on camera
if Omar is present too.

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His face is hidden
to protect his identity.

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Nasser is a member
of the Salafist Brigade.

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An organisation linked to Al-Qaeda.

Omar interviews Nasser

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What is your answer
if I say that you're a terrorist?

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I'm not.
I am a revolutionary fighter.

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My revolution is Allah.

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But if you say I'm a terrorist, so be it.
- Answer this:

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Osama Bin Laden?
- To us he is a saint.

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Would you explain?

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He is the only Muslim
who dares stick out his neck.

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What do you call him?

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He is our brother,
more than that: he's our father.

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You've been in the training camps.

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How did you end up there?

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Since it doesn't happen automatically.

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I'm not going into details.
- Briefly, then.

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I was approached by people in my
country. That's how I came to Europe.

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I was aged about 20, 25.

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So you're in London
and you go to meetings.

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And they show you videos
of the misery...

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...suffered by your brothers and sisters
in Chechnya, Bosnia, Kashmir...

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Algeria, Palestine... the list is long.

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What did you see on the videos?
- Women and children...

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...tortured, raped and murdered.
- By whom?

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Listen...

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...you know about Bosnia, right?
Christians and Jews did that.

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Jews and Christians?
- It's well known.

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I don't need to explain, do I?
- But we need to understand.

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So your main targets
are Jews and Christians?

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Because they target us.
Don't distort the facts.

NARRATION/VOICE-OVER

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Nasser was shown videos in London of
murdered Muslims from around the world.

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After his traumatic childhood in Algeria...

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...the video images made a huge impact
on him.

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London was then the European
centre for Islamic extremists.

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Just like the 11 September hijackers
Nasser was sent to training camps.

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After that, he fought in Chechnya
and Bosnia.

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This is how he became a jihad soldier.

Omar interviews Nasser:

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Then I was ready to fight.
But first I had to learn to fight.

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Who took you to the camps?
The Salafists? The Tabligh?

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Brothers of our movement,
and those with links to us.

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Who exactly?

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I'm not mentioning any names.
- But you know who they are.

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Did the Tabligh provide
your accommodation abroad?

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I won't answer that.
- Is that a yes or a no?

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Yes, we also have links
with other organisations.

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Do you have direct links
with the Tabligh?

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Yes or no?
- Yes.

Imam talks with youngsters in the street

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How are you? What's your name?
- Yasin.

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How old are you?
- Fifteen.

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Right. Shall we talk a bit
about the Islam?

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You know that Allah created us
and gave us the whole universe.

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Plants, vegetables, fruit,
they all grow thanks to him.

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Why did he create us, do you think?

NARRATION/VOICE-OVER

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Omar takes us to Raouf Ben Halima,
a high-ranking Tabligh imam.

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It's a fundamentalist Islamic organisation
originally founded in India.

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The Tabligh has imams and mosques
throughout Europe.

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The organisation strenuously denies
any links with Al-Qaeda.

CAPTION TITLE:
Ben Halina Abderraouf,
IMAM TABLIGH

Interview

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The Tabligh is not politically engaged.

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We expect all those who practice
a religion...

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...to live according to the principles
of that religion.

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But are you sure the Tabligh
is not a political movement?

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Certainly. Everyone will tell you
the Tabligh is not political.

Omar interviews Nasser

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Do you know imam Raouf Ben Halima?
- I certainly know who he is.

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Did he ever slam the door
in your faces?

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No, not mine personally.

Streets of suburbs Paris

Off screen:Ben Halina Abderraouf,
IMAM TABLIGH

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We are the only people who recruit
boys on the streets for the mosque.

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Other groups don't do that.

On screen
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Recruiting youngsters takes time.

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It takes time, a lot of time.

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If a hundred youngsters report to the
Tabligh, after three years you'll see...

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...that only two are left.

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Yes, the rest has gone to the jihad.
- No, let me explain.

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I'd say that twenty
or thirty of the hundred...

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...no longer pray
or practice their religion.

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Another 50 are religious
but are not involved in anything else.

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For them, the Islam is a private matter.

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Some others join extremist organisations.

Interview with Omar
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It is only a minority.
But they are very dangerous.

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They create terror everywhere.

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The guys we spoke to,
both Nasser and Ben Halima...

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...are two examples.

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If you meet them on the street,
you'll find them endearing.

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I don't know if you felt that with Nasser,
but when he talks...

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...I am touched by his tormented gaze.

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Even so, I am afraid
of what he is capable of.

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He could murder my child.

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He could kill innocent people
for his cause.

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These people commit crimes
which they justify and rationalize...

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...for their goal, through the Koran.

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It's dreadful.

Interview with Muslim in the street
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If they try to recruit youngsters
in this neighbourhood...

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...for extremist organisations...

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...how would you react?
- I'm not against it.

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I'm a Muslim
and it says in the Koran...

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...that at the end of time
the world will belong to the Muslims.

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So you want the whole world
to become Muslim?

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That's not the issue.

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The Americans want to rule
the world too.

Omar interviews Nasser:

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Do you have European converts?
- Certainly.

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You'd be surprised at how many...

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And young North-Africans from Holland?
- Yes.

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From which Dutch cities?

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Amsterdam, Rotterdam,
and Eindhoven too.

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Eindhoven? That's where the two...
- Yes, two of our brothers were killed.

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Did you know them personally?
- Sure.

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You mean Khalid and Ahmed, right?

NARRATION/VOICE-OVER

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That's all Nasser will say, but he knew
Ahmed and Khalid personally.

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Two boys from Eindhoven.

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In January of last year
they were killed in Kashmir.

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No one knows the exact circumstances.

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Their parents know nothing
about recruiters.

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And teachers and friends
didn't notice a thing.

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But the Dutch Security Service
says that they were recruited.

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They were ordinary, quite successful
boys, not losers or dropouts.

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An investigation showed they weren't
recruited in a mosque. So where?

Omar interviews Nasser

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Which Amsterdam and Rotterdam
neighbourhoods did you visit?

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Every neighbourhood where...
- Which ones exactly?

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Where Muslims live.

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Could you be more specific?
Name a few places.

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Why do you ask the obvious?

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Do you want to hear that we go to areas
where lots of Arabs and Muslims live?

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Yes, we do go to neighbourhoods
where lots of Arabs and Muslims live.

NARRATION/VOICE-OVER
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In Amsterdam, Rotterdam and Eindhoven
Nasser covertly recruits...

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...young Moroccans and Arabs
for his holy war.

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As he himself was once recruited
for the jihad.

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It's a long and arduous process.

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He estimates that in the past decade
40 Dutch Moroccans converted...

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...to his form of the Islam, almost ten
of whom actually became soldiers.

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But Nasser is not the only brother
to recruit Dutch boys.

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Nasser can travel freely
through the 'Schengen' countries.

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He lives in France
but operates primarily in Holland.

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At least once a month he travels back
and forth on false papers...

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...staying with like-minded brothers,
speaking Arabic wherever he goes.

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We meet Nasser one last time...

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...in the middle of the night,
just before he leaves for Holland.

Interview with Nasser

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How long does it take to convert a boy
from an ethnic minority neighbourhood?

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If by that you mean
how long does it take...

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...to turn a young man into a fighter...

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...since that's what you're implying...

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...then it takes a long time,
and for many of them it is difficult.

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Do the parents know
when their children will leave?

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Not always. It depends on the
relationship they have with their parents.

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That's none of our business.
- Do you consider the mothers' feelings?

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We hope that those who go to fight...

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...make that decision
in harmony with their families.

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But that's an ideal, because some of
them have problems with their families.

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It seems to me that the very boys
who have problems at home...

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...are the most likely candidates
to go with you guys.

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I know where you're heading.

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Those who are vulnerable....

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...are, as you said,
more likely to go than others.

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But because of our faith and our cause...

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...we have to tread very cautiously.

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On the other hand...

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...we need people for our fight
who can be of use to us.

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Do you really think that someone
who is unstable is of any use to us?

NARRATION/VOICE-OVER:
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We show our interview with Nasser
to Majid Ben Ali.

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A Moroccan social worker at Palet,
a multicultural support centre in Brabant.

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The news about the two boys
from Eindhoven shocked the centre.

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Majid Ben Ali takes
Nasser's story seriously.

Interview with Majid Ben Ali

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It's shocking, obviously.

CAPTION TITLE:
Majid Ben Ali
OROCCAN SOCIAL WORKER

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We know that things like this do happen.

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We're used to it being people
wearing jellabas, long beards and so on.

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But this is a new phenomenon,
so we're shocked.

INTERVIEW WITH NASSER

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Why is Holland so appealing?

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They give us the freedom to think
and live as we choose.

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It is now one of the few countries
that gives us the space...

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...that we once had
in other countries too.

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So after England, your centre
has now switched to Holland?

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Yes, we've been active in Holland
for some time.

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But Holland has become
even more important to us now.

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What do they do in England
that they don't do in Holland?

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In Holland we're not hassled
by the security services.

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In what way?

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Constant controls...

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...house searches, phone tapping,
all kinds of pressure.

Interview with Majid Ben Ali, MORROCAN SOCIAL WORKER

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Do they keep an eye out for types
like Nasser in Dutch mosques?

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We can't.
- Why not?

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You could all get together and say:
This problem needs our attention.

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But if we don't know Nasser
and he comes in to pray...

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...he wouldn't organise a meeting,
as it would arouse our suspicions.

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If he's only there to pray, we can't...

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But you see him targeting youngsters.

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You're allowed to talk
to youngsters about...

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But what if some stranger who doesn't
speak Dutch appears regularly...

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...and targets youngsters,
wouldn't you get suspicious?

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But that's not what happens.

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In that case, the stranger
would approach a local person...

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...and he'd do the work.

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A stranger wouldn't just come
into an unknown mosque...

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...and start recruiting youngsters.

INTERVIEW
00:22:12.06 00:22:16.18
It depends on why youngsters
are recruited.

CAPTION TITLE:
Paulo de Mas
MOROCCO EXPERT

00:22:16.18 00:22:21.18
It's a mistake to think that people
are only recruited...

00:22:21.18 00:22:26.06
...to take up arms, to fight.

00:22:26.06 00:22:32.12
These networks don't just
need fighters who go into action...

00:22:32.12 00:22:36.06
...but also people to support the cause
logistically.

00:22:36.06 00:22:40.00
Funds are needed,
documents have to be made...

00:22:40.00 00:22:43.00
...safe houses are needed.

00:22:43.00 00:22:49.00
So most of the time they are not
actually recruiting people to fight...

00:22:49.00 00:22:51.00
...but more for support.

00:22:51.00 00:22:54.18
So with regard to its location
and background...

00:22:54.18 00:22:58.18
...Holland will mainly play
a supporting role.

00:23:05.12 00:23:09.18
The climate in Holland
is favourable for terrorist activities.

NARRATION/VOICE-OVER:
00:23:09.18 00:23:14.18
So Nasser does more:
On every trip to Holland he brings cash.

00:23:14.18 00:23:17.12
Some 150,000 euros per trip.

00:23:17.12 00:23:22.06
The money comes from mosque
collections and rich Arabs.

00:23:22.06 00:23:25.12
With this money,
he buys stolen diamonds and gold...

00:23:25.12 00:23:29.06
...which he sells in Antwerp,
Rotterdam and Amsterdam.

00:23:29.06 00:23:31.18
Lots of money
is also laundered in Holland.

00:23:31.18 00:23:35.06
The proceeds are used
in a number of ways.

Interview with Nasser

00:23:35.06 00:23:40.18
Some of it goes to the front.
Some of it goes to the soldiers' families.

00:23:40.18 00:23:45.18
And some of it is invested,
because we need money.

00:23:45.18 00:23:50.18
How? Do you buy more jewellery
in France?

00:23:50.18 00:23:57.06
Not only that.
Part of it is invested...

00:23:57.06 00:24:02.06
...in all kinds of sectors
in the legitimate economy.

00:24:02.06 00:24:05.18
Such as small businesses?
- Yes.

00:24:05.18 00:24:09.18
Snackbars and coffee shops, perhaps?
- Yes.

00:24:11.18 00:24:16.06
In Holland and elsewhere too,
there is always a way.

00:24:16.06 00:24:20.06
What do you mean?
- I'm not giving details...

00:24:20.06 00:24:24.12
...that are not in our interest.

Interview with Omar
00:24:31.06 00:24:34.18
Based on observations,
you have to admit...

00:24:34.18 00:24:39.12
...that your country is a fertile breeding
ground for their logistics.

00:24:39.12 00:24:45.12
That's why it is not in the extremists'
interests to put bombs in your country.

00:24:45.12 00:24:49.00
They're at home there:
they won't piss in their own homes.

CAPTION TITLE: Press Conference Dutch Secret Service, December 2002
S. v.d. Hulst -Director

00:24:50.06 00:24:57.00
The recruits are amost all of them
young Moroccans.

00:24:58.06 00:25:00.00
Second and third generation.

Interview with Paulo de Mas, Morroco Expert

00:25:00.00 00:25:04.06
What do England and France
do that we don't?

00:25:04.06 00:25:08.18
They have a lot of experience
with these problems.

00:25:08.18 00:25:11.00
They've been much more active...

00:25:11.00 00:25:19.00
...and they invest more in monitoring
the worldwide networks abroad.

00:25:19.00 00:25:24.00
Evidently the French services
operate all over Europe.

00:25:24.00 00:25:29.12
They don't stop when they get to the
Belgian border. It's a different attitude...

00:25:29.12 00:25:33.06
...born from a longer exposure
to the problem.

00:25:33.06 00:25:39.06
The French and the British have a
global network and that's the only way.

CAPTION TITLE: Press Conference Dutch Secret Service, December 2002

00:25:39.06 00:25:44.12
The Dutch Secret Service says that
coffee shops were used to recruit boys.

00:25:44.12 00:25:47.18
If that's true,
should they be closed down?

CAPTION TITLE: J. Remkes, DUTCH MINISTER OF INTERNAL AFFAIRS

00:25:47.18 00:25:50.18
That's beyond my scope right now.

00:25:50.18 00:25:54.12
Because if I say
that's part of our policy...

00:25:54.12 00:26:00.00
...we could reinforce the breeding
ground for recruitment.

00:26:02.00 00:26:05.18
The question is:
Can the community solve this?

Interview with Paulo de Mas . MOROCCAN EXPERT

00:26:05.18 00:26:08.06
These are individual cases.

00:26:08.06 00:26:13.12
You'd have to introduce many new laws
and be terribly strict.

00:26:13.12 00:26:15.06
We don't want that.

00:26:15.06 00:26:20.06
That's the price we pay for having
an open democratic society.

00:26:20.06 00:26:26.12
It's the other side of the coin
here in Holland.

Interview with Omar

00:26:26.12 00:26:29.00
Are we stupid or naive in Holland?

00:26:29.00 00:26:32.06
You buy your peace,
as the English once did...

00:26:32.06 00:26:36.06
...until a disco is bombed
and 20 Dutch people die.

00:26:36.06 00:26:42.00
One thing is certain: right now
they are not afraid of Dutch law.

Interview with Nasser
00:26:45.18 00:26:49.12
Many westerners are afraid of us,
you say?

00:26:49.12 00:26:54.06
They're not afraid of Islam,
nor of Muslims in general.

00:26:54.06 00:26:56.12
But of your cause.

00:26:56.12 00:27:00.00
Of extremists, as we call you.

00:27:06.18 00:27:11.12
I'd say they are right to be afraid.

00:27:11.12 00:27:18.12
But we were afraid before they were.
And for far longer than they were.

Interview with Omar:
00:27:18.12 00:27:22.18
What can we expect?
- Based on facts...

00:27:22.18 00:27:26.00
I'm no Nostradamus, but I do know this.

00:27:26.00 00:27:33.06
If you live in a country that turns
a blind eye and is very tolerant...

00:27:33.06 00:27:38.18
...it is not you, but your children
who will pay the price.

Imam with children in the street

00:27:39.18 00:27:42.18
Do you know the word jihad?
- No.

00:27:42.18 00:27:46.06
What does it mean?
- Holy war.

00:27:46.06 00:27:50.12
It is fighting for God
and for the beliefs of Allah.

00:27:50.12 00:27:52.00

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