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This house we're going to

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is called "The King's Farm."

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It's a colonial house

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that was surrounded by forests.

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They could stop us from coming here,

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but this street belongs to the owner of the house.

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Up until last year, before July 2007,

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Salvatore Picone lived here with his family.

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But obviously, with everything they've built here,

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he was forced to leave.

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He couldn't just stay here and get a disease or a respiratory infection.

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So, now we'll go up to the terrace to film,

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and no one can say anything to us,

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because from my house I can do whatever the fuck I want.

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Obviously.

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Look how beautiful it is.

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Oh wow! It's beautiful.

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So, imagine all the trees that used to be here. Now look at the garbage.

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Here they are. See the garbage bales?

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Oh, wow.

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These are the garbage bales.

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Poorly packaged.

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They're covered with these black tarps.

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All together they cover an area of four square kilometers.

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So, all around here?

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Yes, all around here.

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All around.

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How can I explain this?

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You have to see all four sides.

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There are bales over there, there, there and there.

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This kind of place

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doesn't exist anywhere else in the world.

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At the beginning of 2008,

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world news outlets were flooded with images

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of garbage piles on the streets of Naples.

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The newly reelected premier, Silvio Berlusconi

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made countless TV appearances,

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personally picking up trash and promising to resolve the situation.

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Naples and the entire Campania region had been officially declared

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an environmental crisis over 14 years ago.

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The garbage piles were just a current distraction from the real emergency.

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Almost a million tons of rubbish stockpiled throughout the region,

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illegal toxic waste dumps,

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a serious human health crisis,

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and behind it all, the largest criminal organization in Italy,

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the Neopolitan Camorra.

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We're in Naples now,

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and we're about to meet Michele Buonomo,

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who's the President of the Legambiente Campania.

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Legambiente is the most important environmental protection group.

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Campania is one of the main regions of Southern Italy.

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It's a region with over 6 million residents.

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It's a region famous for its natural beauty.

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Its capital is Naples.

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In Campania, the interests of the Camorra

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are deeply intertwined

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with environmental issues.

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For someone who has never heard of the Camorra,

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it's an organization that's both entrepreneurial and criminal.

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I say entrepreneurial, because the perception

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of criminal organizations in Italy and elsewhere,

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is that they are

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these folkloric, rogue bandits.

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When, in reality, they are criminal cartels which have affairs

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in all fields of economics, especially in the legal fields:

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cement, industrial waste, textile, transportation,

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tourism.

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And then cocaine, heroin, usury, extortion.

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I can say that, in some ways, the Camorra

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is one of the least studied mafias on an international level.

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Within Italy, it's the organization with the most associations

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and it has generated the most deaths.

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In a region like ours, it was essential to control the land,

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because the development of the Camorra

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was closely linked to the illegal traffic of toxic waste,

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illegal construction sites,

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and control of the caves,

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the last step in the illegal waste management cycle.

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The illegal dumping of toxic waste,

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first in caves and then on land,

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and the nightly burning of toxic waste,

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obviously has very serious consequences

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for the land, for the environment,

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and above all, for the citizens who live in those regions.

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Apparently there's

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another protest coming from somewhere else

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that wasn't organized before, like this one.

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It wasn't planned.

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So they're all excited because there's more people coming.

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We must defend ourselves from a state this is trying to take over our land.

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When Berlusconi sent the army to Marano

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and decided to militarize our region,

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he declared war on us.

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However, even though we detest war, we still know how to fight.

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They're doing these protests,

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because they want to fill up this empty space in a mountain

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with just rubbish, without doing anything with it,

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not burning it, nothing.

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So, Berlusconi comes with an iron fist

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and declares to the poor people of Chiaiano,

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"The trash goes here, because I'm the boss."

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Who the fuck is this guy?

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He never asked the people of Naples how they feel about all this.

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He made a decision and, like a dictator, he's gone ahead with it.

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That's how he operates.

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Not on the street, not on the street.

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My name is Patrizia. This is my husband Mario Gerlando.

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So, we're from Acerra, in the province of Naples,

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where we lived and ran a sheep farm.

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In October of 2003, the Naples Health Services

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came to tell us that the milk of our sheep had tested positive for dioxin.

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We were sad to see them killed.

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They were burned, actually.

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In 1996, our animals started dying.

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Mutating.

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A lamb was born with a head shaped like

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a record player.

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Another was born with the head of a rabbit. It was a perfect rabbit.

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They completely mutated, like monsters.

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Heads like this. Tongues like this.

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We're in Acerra at the Castello Baronale.

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My name is Luigi Montano. I'm the President of the Edos Environmental Organization.

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Acerra is symbolic of the environmental crisis in Campania.

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At the beginning of this year, much attention was given to the problem of toxic waste here.

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Most of which comes from Northern Italy.

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Industries in the Veneto region were disposing their waste

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by handing it over to the Camorra, who then burned it in the Acerran countryside.

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In 1995, more than 2,000 toxic containers

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were found by the authorities in the Acerran forest.

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Can you believe that they are still there? Nobody has taken them away.

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Then you come and tell me about the dioxin. Who am I supposed to blame?

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They've made more efforts to remove the sheep than to remove the toxic containers.

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Paradoxically, some of the most polluted areas of Campania

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are those which are used for agriculture and grazing.

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The food cycle is contaminated.

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And obviously, we eat the food produced on our land.

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Furthermore, 60-70% of Campania's vegetable and fruit production comes from this area.

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We had to move away from Acerra. It was impossible for us to stay there.

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But where could we go?

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Maddaloni is the same thing,

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Marigliano is the same thing,

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Caserta is the same thing.

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The only area which is still clean, meaning free of toxic waste,

[00:11:09:11]

[00:11:09:15]    

not like the contaminated land over there,

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is here in Cilento. We use real natural feed.

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Because here, they love animals and protect nature.

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In Cilento, we found the cleanest area of the Campania region.

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Because anywhere else, the Health Services say, "No."

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I was forced to move all the way to Cilento.

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I'm at the very edge of the Campania region.

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If everything goes well, we will open a farm in Pisciotta,

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where nature is truly protected.

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Some people haven't understood

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that if you don't protect nature, you're destroying yourself.

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We never wanted them to kill our sheep, because we wanted the sheep to be treated.

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We were told that if we changed the animal's diet,

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maybe we would have been able to lower dioxin levels,

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because dioxin gets stored in the fat.

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But they didn't do this.

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Instead, they chose to kill the sheep, which were simply a barometer of the environment.

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Not only did they do this, but they also allowed the population to go untreated.

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Because if they had treated my sheep, they would have treated the entire population.

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Because it becomes part of the food chain.

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There are many health issues caused by these environmental problems.

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There's an increase in cardiovascular blockage,

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metabolic diseases such as diabetes, thyroid problems.

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These all seem to be related in some way to the contamination of the region.

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[00:13:01:00]    

My brother-in-law died in less than six months.

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A pain here, a pain there.

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My brother-in-law died when he was 50 years old.

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In Acerra, people have been dying for over 20 years.

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And they're too scared to call it an illness. They don't call it a cancer or a tumor.

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They call it "that thing there."

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I used to say that people didn't live to 60 in Acerra. But now they don't even live to 50.

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A we left Acerra not so much for ourselves, but for our children.

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Because I will not allow those disgraceful people-

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who ignore the situation and play around with very serious matters-

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I won't allow them to kill my child at 30,

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because they decided that my child should die of a tumor at 30.

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What are you talking about?

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I already know, I've looked into the matter, and my children and I have gone for treatment.

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Fine, so maybe my husband and I are already sick, and we'll die at 50.

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We'd have 10 years left.

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But in the meantime, I'll keep my children from eating garbage.

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You see this garbage?

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It's been here for 20 days.

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It's been at least 20 days, but probably more.

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Every morning I pass by here and I see this.

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Okay. Excuse me, but

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[00:14:43:14]    

how many employees does the City of Naples pay to clean the streets?

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If there were only a few, then I could understand.

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But they have three to four thousand employees,

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so I'm sorry, but what the fuck are they doing all day?

[00:15:00:05]

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I'm Pascuale Collela.

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[00:15:21:08]    

I live here in Ponticelli.

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I'm a teacher at the Professional Institute of Sanino Ponticelli.

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First, we have to analyze the garbage.

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[00:15:31:12]    

Okay.

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We are now looking at...

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[00:15:33:12]    

-Civilian trash?
-Civilian trash.

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They do some construction and, instead of throwing away the garbage legally,

[00:15:39:11]

[00:15:39:22]    

they stop here instead.

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Clearly, it's a way to save money.

[00:15:44:08]

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So when they see all of the shit already here, they just add more.

[00:15:48:16]

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This is exactly the problem,

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[00:15:51:12]    

the institutions are seldom present or vigilant.

[00:15:56:12]

[00:15:57:03]    

And where the institutions are present,

[00:15:58:15]

[00:15:58:19]    

citizens are not informed,

[00:16:02:08]

[00:16:03:11]    

or they simply don't participate.

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[00:16:05:19]    

Clearly they don't participate.

[00:16:07:18]

[00:16:07:22]    

A lady once said to me, "How is it possible that

[00:16:13:06]

[00:16:14:12]    

criminal organizations employ only 10, 15, 20 people,

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[00:16:20:01]    

but they still manage to control the entire region?"

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In the sense that, on the day you open a business,

[00:16:28:04]

[00:16:28:12]    

they arrive within half an hour.

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[00:16:30:18]    

They already know.

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[00:16:32:11]    

How is it possible that the state,

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[00:16:33:21]    

which has thousands and thousands of police officers,

[00:16:37:17]

[00:16:38:02]    

isn't able to control it?

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[00:16:43:19]    

We find ourselves in a region

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[00:16:49:00]    

that, since antiquity,

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[00:16:51:24]    

has been considered one of the most beautiful places in the world.

[00:16:55:21]

[00:16:56:00]    

But today, Campania

[00:16:58:05]

[00:16:58:09]    

is a manifestation of the problems

[00:17:01:18]

[00:17:01:22]    

that arose from the development model promoted by globalization.

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[00:17:08:07]    

What's unique about Naples is that, over the last few decades,

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organized crime has developed

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under the structure of the Camorra.

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And they have taken control of important parts of the region.

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This criminal organization is extremely unsettling, because

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it has learned how to globalize and finance itself.

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The Camorra's involvement in the recent garbage crisis

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was financially successful.

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This is because they leased their own lands

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to store the famous garbage bales.

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They also have great influence in the transportation business,

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including garbage trucks.

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I'm Marco Demarco.

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I'm the Editor-in-Cheif of the Corriere Mezzogiorno.

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The Corriere Mezzogiorno is a supplement of Corriere Della Sera,

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which is the biggest newspaper in Italy.

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The Corriere Mezzogiorno focuses on the Campania,

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which is the biggest region in the south of Italy.

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It also focuses on the rest of Southern Italy,

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which is the poorest, more backward, and most disadvantaged part of the country.

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So, all of these incidents surrounding the garbage emergency,

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brought to light another issue for the Mezziogiorno:

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the mafia.

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Which, in Campania, is called the Camorra. The system is always the same.

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The eco-mafia is none other than

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the mafia's direct involvement in the ecological agenda.

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They control part of the ecological agenda.

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What does this mean?

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This means that the Camorra

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owns the garbage dumps

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and controls the transportation of garbage.

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The entire process, which yields seven to eight millions of garbage bales,

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is all in the hands of the Camorra.

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The Anti-Mafia League estimates the profit

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of the three most important Italian mafias

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to be 150 billion euros (198 billion USD) each year.

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This only represents their legitimate business.

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If you add their criminal activities and tax evasions,

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is amounts to 500 billion.

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I would like to reflect on the 150 billion, because it represents their profit

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on their businesses and criminal activities.

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Why?

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Because it surpasses,

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for example, Fiat's profit.

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Fiat's overall worldwide profit,

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which includes Ferrari and Alfa Romeo,

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amounts to 50 billion.

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Alitalia, the Italian national airline, makes 4 billion a year.

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In short, it's the biggest business in Italy

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and one of the biggest in Europe.

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Having said this, the number of deaths in the past 30 years in Campania alone

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is roughly 4,000.

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If you add the 4,000 deaths in Campania, the 3,000 in Calabria,

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and the 3,000 in Sicily, then it surpasses the number of people

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killed in the Gaza Strip during the last Intifada.

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One of the most important businesses for the eco-mafia

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is the illegal traffic of industrial waste.

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So, what happens?

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Industries from the north, where most of the industry is concentrated,

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want to get rid of their toxic waste,

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and they want to pay as little as possible.

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So, the industries hand over the waste to the Camorra,

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through criminal societies.

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Instead of being disposed of properly, the waste is taken to the south,

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the majority to Campania, where it disappears.

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I have to wear a mask as well, right?

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Until recently, this was the only dump.

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In the province of Salerno and the rest of the region of Campania, this was the only one.

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Yes, until June of last year, this was the only one in the Campania region.

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We're standing right on top of the highest legal

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garbage dump in Campania.

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It stinks really bad.

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There are hundreds of acres, which have become garbage dumps

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for the industrial waste of the northern industries.

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This was recently brought to light

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when dioxin was found in the milk of buffalo.

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We are trying to understand and limit these problems.

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I repeat, this peculiarity of Campania and Naples

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makes everything a bit more difficult.

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It's difficult, because we need to demand commitment

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to a long term solution,

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because we certainly can't go on like this.

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Excuse me. Can we ask you some questions?

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Yes.

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I'm Franco Barbato. I'm a deputy of the Italian Republic.

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In Parliament, two months ago, we began a battle to support the citizens of

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Gaiano, Marano and Mignano, who are victims of a reckless political decision.

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The decision to build a garbage dump in a cave,

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which is just a few meters above their groundwater,

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and only 700 meters from the largest hospital in Campania.

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There are over 250,000 inhabitants in the surrounding area of this cave.

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And what's more, the government is wasting public funds.

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This is the most reckless choice they've ever made.

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Under Berlusconi's government, we are legitimizing illegality.

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He is playing with the health and lives of our citizens.

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These dumps will become black holes into which everything is tossed.

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Meaning there will be no distinction between toxic or poisonous industrial waste

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and domestic waste.

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So, this culture of illegality,

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of antagonism towards citizens, of not listening to citizens...

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Look at the thousands of people who are here on the streets,

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peacefully participating in a calm and democratic demonstration.

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Do you know what Berlusconi's government does?

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Look!

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He sends police helicopters.

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He sends 500 police officers.

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Instead of sending them to Casal di Principe to fight against the Camorra,

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he sends them after honest citizens,

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against good people who are just trying to reclaim their own rights,

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people who only want a safe region,

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who are only trying to protect their own health.

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It's ridiculous.

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This is a joke, like...

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We're not allowed in. We need to have an interview there,

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and we're late for the interview.

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We're not allowed to go through the main square of Naples.

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Because Berlusconi has to meet the head of the state

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and to go across from that building to that building to have a press conference,

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so they decided to stop everything. The guys just told us

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that the other way of going to the other side to have this interview

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would be to go all the way around the city.

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It would take us about 40 minutes to walk around for like a 1 minute walk.

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Just to have a press conference.

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And tell everyone who's going to deal with the rubbish.

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Quite bizarre.

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In this country, you can't protest.

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You can't ask questions.

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You can't do anything. Even journalists can't do anything.

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You can't take that.

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You can't take poster from him.

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You can't do that!

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That's against the law. You're breaking the law.

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I'm trying to ask the President a question.

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SILVIO, IS IT TRUE THAT EVEN THE CAMORRA

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WANTS AN INCINERATOR IN SANTA MARIA LA FOSSA?

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No, it's not a problem. We thought it said something offensive.

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