| Précis | "Should we close Gitmo? Absolutely. It's a blight on our history and I say this as a man who helped create it." So says retired General Michael Lehnert, who 12 years ago was given orders to build cells at the naval base at Guantanamo Bay, which the United States has "leased" from Cuba for more than 100 years. |
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| General Lehnert supervised the building of Camp X-ray, the steel framed cages, open to all weather, which it was proclaimed would house "the worst of the worst" - terrorists involved in the aircraft hijackings which had killed 3,000 innocents in New York, Washington and Pennsylvania. |
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| One of the reporters watching in February, 2002 as orange clad figures, hand-cuffed and foot-shackled were dragged into their cells, was Washington Correspondent Lisa Millar. Returning to Guantanamo for Foreign Correspondent Millar was able to re-visit Camp X-ray, now abandoned to encroaching jungle, and to tour Camps 5 and 6 where the majority of the prisoners are held. It was an immensely frustrating experience being rushed down claustrophobic corridors, banned from filming the inmates or even talking to them off camera. |
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| One prisoner - Shaker Aamer arrived on Valentine's Day, in February, 2002. He was in terrible shape having endured months of imprisonment and torture in Afghanistan but the camp commander brought joyous news. His son, Faris, had been born in England, joining three older siblings. Shaker Aamer has never been charged with any crime, let alone been put on trial and wants desperately to rejoin his family. Seven years ago he was cleared for transfer out of Guantanamo. But he and 153 others remain locked down - indefinitely - despite President Barack Obama's promise five years ago to close what has become the world's most infamous prison. Shaker has been incarcerated for 4,440 days, some 12 years plus. |
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| The Foreign Correspondent team was banned from filming military guides above the neck, or identifying them. And that was before the military censors examined every video frame in case the ABC had breached "operational security". |
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| Millar says it is the toughest censorship she's experienced in more than eight years reporting from the United States and numerous assignments with military forces. |
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| MILLAR: For North Americans emerging from a harsh winter, Miami is the ultimate playground. | 00:10 |
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| MILLAR: Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness - the carefree vibe here is the extreme opposite of the most infamous prison in the world - Guantanamo Bay, on the island of Cuba, just over the horizon. | 00:22 |
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| Millar in café with Carol and Jose | CAROL ROSENBERG: "It's nice to just get out of there and get back home". MILLAR: Apart from some military officers, no one knows Guantanamo better than the tenacious reporter Carol Rosenberg. She's spent around a thousand days there in the 12 years it's been open. | 00:41 |
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| CAROL ROSENBERG: "You fundamentally spend your time down there in military custody. They consider it their prison, not America's prison. They consider it their base and they treat you as outsiders who need to be watched". MILLAR: It's more than a decade since I last reported from Gitmo and since that's where we're headed, I wanted to get some insights from the Miami Herald team. | 00:55 |
| Super: Jose Iglesias | JOSE IGLESIAS: [Miami Herald] "You just couldn't shoot anything. I would ask, can you shoot this? No. Can you shoot that? No". | 01:18 |
| Footage on computer | CAROL ROSENBERG: "We're not allowed to use his name. | 01:27 |
| Carol and Jose at computer | We're not allowed to use his code name that they introduced us". MILLAR: Back at the paper, Carol and Jose Iglesias are going over what they managed to film the week before and what survived the military censorship. | 01:30 |
| Carol. Super: | CAROL ROSENBERG: [Miami Herald] "Everything you ask, everything you want to do is viewed through a prism of suspicion. I believe that my role is to tell the story of Guantanamo to the American people, and not always, but frequently, the military down there resent that role. This is maybe the worst period of restriction on the media that I've experienced down there in 12 years". | 01:46 |
| Airport check-in | MILLAR: Once we've passed all the security checks, getting to America's Caribbean naval base is actually pretty easy, just a commercial flight away from Florida. | 02:09 |
| Millar on flight to Cuba | The US has claimed this mangrove toehold on the edge of Cuba for 100 years. The prison's history is much shorter, but the dilemma it's created is enduring. | 02:22 |
| Millar on ferry approaching Gitmo |
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| Six months after approaching the US Defence Department we've finally scored a media tour with some British journalists. | 02:39 |
| Millar PTC on ferry | "It's 12 years since I last made this trip; the Guantanamo Bay Detention Centre had just opened and America was still reeling from September 11. | 02:47 |
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| They said the prison was for the worst of the worst, that it had a purpose, that they'd try to get intelligence to stop any further attacks. | 02:56 |
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| It was meant to be temporary. I never expected more than a decade later I'd be back to try to find out why it seems so impossible to close this place down". | 03:05 |
| Radio Gitmo | RADIO: "On an island with nowhere to go, it's AFN (Armed Forces Network) Radio Gitmo". | 03:16 |
| Miss Peaches in studio/GVs of island community | Music | 03:24 |
| Sergeant's tour | MILLAR: Our tour begins where it all began - Camp X-Ray. SERGEANT'S TOUR: "The detainees would get off | 03:42 |
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| the bus and file through this area right here and if they needed to be showered or deloused, that was actually what that was over there". | 03:48 |
| 2002 footage. Shackled detainees | MILLAR: I watched in early 2002 as they brought in the planeloads of shackled detainees. We felt the tension. No one knew what was coming next - only that these men were branded "enemy combatants". CAROL ROSENBERG: "Camp X-Ray looked like a kennel and the idea that we were going to keep human beings in a kennel | 03:59 |
| Carol | in order to give them sort of safe, humane, transparent - all the terminology they use now for detention - was at odds with anything that I wanted for my country". | 04:18 |
| Full moon/Gitmo exterior. Night | Music | 04:33 |
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| MILLAR: Guantanamo was a symbol of the so-called War on Terror. The Bush Administration set up a detention and legal system there which upended traditional American law. International condemnation was swift. [Millar from 2002 7.30 Report] The criticisms of how they treat the prisoners is still irritating | 04:42 |
| Excerpt from 7.30 Report story. Super: 2002 | many of the military on the base here. It's one of the reasons they're putting so much effort into their public relations. | 04:59 |
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| Cox from 2002 story | MAJOR STEPHEN COX: [US Marine, 2002, 7.30 Report] "We want maximum disclosure with minimum delay". | 05:10 |
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| MILLAR: It wasn't true back then and it's definitely not true now. Back in 2002 at least I was able to interview service personnel, give them a name and a face; | 05:13 |
| Millar on Sergeant's tour | now the paranoia about security has rendered our escorts faceless and nameless. To get on this tour we've had to sign up to strict censorship rules, the toughest I've ever experienced in eight years of dealing with the US military. | 05:53 |
| Sergeant shows photos | SERGEANT'S TOUR: "This is where one of the most more infamous pictures was taken with the guys in the orange jumpsuits laying down on the ground with their hands behind their back and the masks on and the reason for that wasn't to.... for humiliation, which unfortunately..." | 05:39 |
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| MILLAR: "It was a military photo". SERGEANT'S TOUR: "Yeah it was a military release photo, it was a military | 05:52 |
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| release photo and it didn't shed the best light..." MILLAR: "No, it was a public relations disaster at the time". SERGEANT'S TOUR: "It was a public relations disaster". MILLAR: "The first of many". SERGEANT'S TOUR: "The first of many, many there was a couple of more in here. We'll move on". | 05:56 |
| Prison exteriors | Music | 06:05 |
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| MILLAR: It's astounding to think that of the first 20 detainees brought here in January 2002, 11 remain imprisoned. | 06:14 |
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| Millar PTC outside prison | MILLAR: "The weeds have grown up and there's actually a few snakes around the place. You might be wondering why they've left Camp X-Ray like this. The reality is, it was controversial when it was built and it remains controversial. There's talk of lawsuits, lawyers who say this place was a crime scene and so it's got to stay as is". | 06:31 |
| Prison exteriors | Music | 06:51 |
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| MILLAR: Guantanamo still holds 154 men - most have never been charged or tried and yet according to the most powerful man in the world, there should be none left here. | 06:57 |
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| PRESIDENT OBAMA: [2009] "There is no force in the world more powerful than the example of America, and that is why I have ordered the closing | 07:09 |
| President Obama's speech to Congress. Super: | of the detention centre at Guantanamo Bay and will seek swift and certain justice for captured terrorists, because living our values doesn't make us weaker, it makes us safer and it makes us stronger". | 07:15 |
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| MILLAR: President Obama made that promise five years ago. | 07:31 |
| Carol. Super: | CAROL ROSENBERG: "In the first year when they decided that they were going to close it, they didn't move fast enough and Congress systematically imposed all of these regulations that have locked those men down there at Guantanamo". | 07:35 |
| Millar with Clive watching footage of Obama speech | PRESIDENT OBAMA: "Swift and certain justice..." MILLAR: Someone else who thought the end might have been in sight was the prominent lawyer, | 07:47 |
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| Clive Stafford Smith". PRESIDENT OBAMA: "... because living our values doesn't make us weaker, it makes us safer and it makes us stronger". MILLAR: Clive, who founded | 07:54 |
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| Reprieve, a legal charity, has helped 60 detainees leave Gitmo and still represents another 15. CLIVE STAFFORD SMITH: "But I've got to say I never thought it would be as catastrophic as it's been and it's still open all these years later. | 08:01 |
| Clive. Super: | I've spent my whole life doing death penalty cases in the US so I've been to most death rows in the US and I can say without pause for contemplation that the conditions in Guantanamo are worse than any death row I've ever been to". | 8:14 |
| Lehnert walks out to press conference for opening of Gitmo | MILLAR: The marine who set up Guantanamo Bay prison in early 2002 was Michael Lehnert. MAJOR-GENERAL (RET) MICHAEL LEHNERT: [2002] Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. MILLAR: The general was given less than a week to | 08:27 |
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| build cells for the first 100 prisoners. They were coming straight from the battleground - or so he thought. MAJOR-GENERAL (RET) MICHAEL LEHNERT: [2002] "Our detainee population is now 186. | 08:41 |
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| Two days ago we received 28 detainees. Most of these detainees had been wounded in earlier fighting". | 08:52 |
| Lehnert addresses college students 2014 | [2004] "I thought a lot about what to say tonight and it's, you know it's been over a decade since I deployed my command at Guantanamo..." MILLAR: Now retired, Mike Lehnert shares his | 08:59 |
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| experiences with college students are were barely in school when America was attacked and his message is blunt. | 09:08 |
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| MAJOR-GENERAL (RET) MICHAEL LEHNERT: [addressing college students] "Should we close Gitmo? Absolutely. It's a blight on our history and I say this as a man who helped create it". | 09:15 |
| Lehnert interview. Super: | "I think that Guantanamo stands as a recruiting poster for terrorists. There's no doubt that even today, there are some very bad people down there who would do us harm, | 09:21 |
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| but at the same time the United States should stand for something. Stand for the rule of law, stand for the appreciation and respect for human rights. So as long as we have Guantanamo it's very difficult to say that we stand for those things". | 09:31 |
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| Millar PTC | MILLAR: "This is one of the few places where we can actually show you the exterior of the prison and that's because Camp Delta behind me is no longer home to any of the prisoners. There's still a medical facility inside but when we take you to Camps 5 and 6 where the bulk of the prisoners are being held, we're going to get a much more restricted view". | 09:50 |
| Sergeant's tour. Camp V | SERGEANT: We do have an average of 60 to 70 detainees on a daily basis... MILLAR: The prison tour proves to be unnecessarily hurried. | 10:11 |
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| We begin in Camp 5, a maximum security building, currently home to 70 detainees. It's a well-rehearsed script delivered without a hint of irony. | 10:20 |
| Inside cell | SERGEANT'S TOUR: "This is a typical cell in Camp 5. It meets all American Correctional Association standards. This is about 95 square feet of living space with about 80 feet of unencumbered space". | 10:31 |
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| MILLAR: Orange jumpsuits are worn by prisoners considered non-compliant. Throwing faeces and urine at guards is one method of protest. SERGEANT'S TOUR: "If there's any type of behaviour against one of our guards or anybody that works in here then they will be put on a discipline status". | 10:43 |
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| MILLAR: For those who behave, television is the reward. | 11:00 |
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| SERGEANT'S TOUR: "They're given a remote control and they have about 25 channels to choose from". MILLAR: "So one person at a time, shackled to the floor and they get four hours a week?" SERGEANTS TOUR: "They are restrained to the floor and yes they do get 4 hours a week to watch television". | 11:04 |
| Passing cells | MILLAR: For some prisoners, resistance to detention is their key motivation. Undertaking a hunger strike is their weapon. | 11:19 |
| Millar on cell tour | When necessary military guards physically manhandle prisoners, taking them to be force fed. It's called forcible cell extraction. | 11:28 |
| Bogdan | COLONEL JOHN BOGDAN: Those are standard procedures in any... LISA: Prisoner Commander John Bogdan is one of the few officers we're allowed to identify. | 11:40 |
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| "Talk to me about forcible cell extraction. How often does that happen, and why?" | 11:46 |
| Super: Colonel John Bogdan | COLONEL JOHN BOGDAN: "Well I can tell you they're used frequently and..." MILLAR: "What's frequently?" COLONEL JOHN BOGDAN: "Daily. As far as why, it comes down to generally whenever a detainee refuses to comply or resists movement or assaults a guard force - anything like that - there's a host of reasons why it might be used". | 11:52 |
| Guard shows constraint chair | GUARD: This is a constraint chair that's used throughout every prison... | 12:15 |
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| MILLAR: At the peak of the hunger strike last year, more than 100 prisoners were starving themselves. | 12:19 |
| Feeding tube | Those considered at risk were strapped down to have a tube delivering liquid food stuck up their nose, twice a day. | 12:25 |
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| CLIVE STAFFORD SMITH: "If it goes in too fast you get terribly sick, whereupon you vomit. | 12:33 |
| Clive. Super: | Now if you vomit, there's vomit all over you, they won't let you just stop, they just start the process again. If you've thrown it up, you've got vomit all over you. Then, because you're going to have all sorts of intestinal problems, they force some medicine into you. That force makes the guys end up defecating on themselves. And the thing that Ahmad told me that was the most humiliating is having to sit there in his own faeces for two hours while they wait -- so they have to check that you don't throw the food up and you digest it". | 12:37 |
| Millar with military doctor | MILLAR: The US military says these descriptions of force feeding are exaggerated. UNNAMED DOCTOR: "In my experience, the majority of these guys will... | 13:05 |
| Doctor with feeding tube explains process | the tube gets passed very easily and they take their enteral feed without an issue". | 13:13 |
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| MILLAR: "How many of them struggle?" UNNAMED DOCTOR: "Very, very few I would say". MILLAR: We asked to watch the procedure ourselves. | 13:19 |
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| Instead we're shown an empty chair and hear an impassioned argument from the doctor in charge. | 13:26 |
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| UNNAMED DOCTOR: "We're medical. We're not here to hurt these people. We're here to do a job to keep them alive". MILLAR: "It must frustrate you enormously then to see the reports suggesting that you're doing otherwise". UNNAMED DOCTOR: "I can sleep well at night knowing that I'm doing the right thing and that I'm not doing what is being portrayed - because five years from now, you know, they're going to be alive and it's because I kept them alive". MILLAR: The former Guantanamo commander blames uncertainty for the problems. | 13:32 |
| Lehnert interview. Super: | MAJOR-GENERAL (RET) MICHAEL LEHNERT: "My personal belief is if a detainee knew that if they had 30 years to do they'd figure out a way to do 30 years without doing a hunger strike, but when you don't know when you're ever going to get home and there's a sense of hopelessness, it's probably the last thing that you have left". | 14:01 |
| Carol | CAROL ROSENBERG: "What's happened now is there's this - they've dug in and they're angry. The guards are angry, the detainees are angry. I have said it from time to time, if they didn't hate us going in, they had to hate us leaving". | 14:15 |
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| Razor wire. Camp 6 exterior | MILLAR: We get our first glimpse of a detainee at Camp 6 - a medium security complex housing around 65 men. | 14:40 |
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| MILLAR: Many lawyers are adamant their clients want to speak to the media, but the military refuses, citing Geneva Conventions. It's a convenient cover. Those international rules about how prisoners of war should be treated carried little weight in Guantanamo's early days. | 14:55 |
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| MILLAR: We can see them, but they can't see us while they're exercising in this communal area. Anyone allowed here is generally following the rules. | 15:15 |
| Millar shows cell | "So if a detainee is considered highly compliant they end up in a cell like this, they've got a wash basin and a toilet, they've got bed linen here, they've got a mattress and if you lift it up, you can even see the arrow which will tell them which way they have to kneel to pray". | 15:28 |
| Detainees walking around | But even those considered compliant say they're still subjected to humiliating body searches before or after talking to a lawyer - or even taking a phone call from one. | 15:48 |
| Clive | CLIVE STAFFORD SMITH: "What they're doing is they're trying to make it so humiliating for the prisoners that the prisoners won't come to us, to talk to us to tell us the truth. And it's been successful". | 16:02 |
| Ruhel | RUHEL AHMED: [former Guantanamo prisoner] I'm not the best Muslim in the world, but I do my best. | 16:10 |
| Ruhel at home with family | MILLAR: Prisoners do get out. Ruhel Ahmed was one of the luckier ones, freed after two years. He's now happily married and a father of three, but the time he spent locked up at Guantanamo was the hardest of his life. | 16:15 |
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| RUHEL AHMED: [former Guantanamo prisoner] "So I knew they were trying to break me. For me it was a fight, a struggle | 16:31 |
| Ruhel. Super: | within myself to -- not to give into them. Even though it was difficult, I never showed it to my captors that I was struggling or suffering because that was -- if they'd seen that weakness, then they would have done it more". | 16:37 |
| Ruhel at with son preparing for boxing class | MILLAR: Now he spends his Sundays at home in the British Midlands taking his kids to boxing class, just as he did as a child. | 16:53 |
| Ruhel boxing | In 2001 he'd gone to Pakistan for a friend's wedding and crossed the border into Afghanistan. It had been a crazy adventure, but he was accused of fighting with the Taliban and was handed over to the Americans. | 17:06 |
| Photo. Ruhel and other inmates | He and other former inmates won compensation from the UK government claiming British intelligence agencies were complicit in their torture. RUHEL AHMED: "If you talk about music torture, | 17:24 |
| Ruhel | generally it was heavy metal and they would play on for hours upon hours and at the same time they would come and interrogate you, shout in your ear, ‘Are you al Qaeda? Are you a Taliban? Where's Bin Laden?' - and so on. So psychologically that would have an effect on you. Then you'd start hallucinating, seeing things, because of the loud banging noise of the type of music it is". | 17:36 |
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| Millar and Butler sitting by ocean | MILLAR: (to Rear Admiral Richard Butler) "So how does a top gun like you end up in a place like this?" REAR ADMIRAL RICHARD BUTLER: "Yeah, that's a great question." MILLAR: It's another picturesque Caribbean day and Richard Butler, the onetime Navy pilot who flew in both Iraq wars is now an Admiral, commanding joint task force Guantanamo. | 18:05 |
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| "You enjoy it though?" REAR ADMIRAL RICHARD BUTLER: "Here?" MILLAR: "Do you?" REAR ADMIRAL RICHARD BUTLER: "Oh yes, yeah, I do, I do". MILLAR: "Does a year give you enough time to get your head around the challenges you're facing?" REAR ADMIRAL RICHARD BUTLER: "Barely... barely". | 18:24 |
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| Millar and Butler by ocean | MILLAR: Butler is fully supportive of closing Guantanamo, but staff rosters and repairs are being planned for years ahead. REAR ADMIRAL RICHARD BUTLER: "If the President says we're going to close it, then we're going to close it. What I don't have right now though are detailed time lines of when that's going to happen". | 18:40 |
| Ocean/Divers/Guard tower | MILLAR: The challenge for the Obama administration is to find countries prepared to take former prisoners. Uruguay in South America has been persuaded to take as many as six. Spanish classes are underway. So is this helping improve morale in the gaol?" | 18:58 |
| Butler. Super: | REAL ADMIRAL RICHARD BUTLER: [Commander, Guantanamo Bay] "You know I won't necessarily speak for the detainees because I'm not going to make any assumptions that I know exactly what they're thinking, but the fact that they see others leaving is bound to give some of them a little bit of optimism". | 19:19 |
| Gitmo. Night | MILLAR: One of the most controversial prisoners at Guantanamo | 19:31 |
| Photo. Shaker holding children | is Shaker Aamer, born in Saudi Arabia but a resident of the UK where his wife and children live. Shaker's been here for 12 years and has never been prosecuted. | 19:36 |
| Carol. Super: | CAROL ROSENBERG: "I mean we can't charge him with anything. We haven't ever put him on trial. It's not clear that he's done anything that constitutes a crime". | 19:48 |
| Photo. Shaker | MILLAR: In fact Shaker Aamer was cleared for release way back in 2007. | 19:56 |
| Clive. Super: | CLIVE STAFFORD SMITH: "Shaker went to Afghanistan not long before all of this happened in June 2001. | 20:01 |
| Photo. Shaker holding children | So when they got there they had no idea that two or three months later there was going to be 9/11 and the world would descend into chaos. | 20:07 |
| Clive | But that's what happened and they got trapped in Afghanistan, turned over to the Americans for a bounty and then tortured into making statements that kept them in Guantanamo for years". | 20:14 |
| Soldiers carrying detainee on stretcher | MILLAR: Shaker Aamer has repeatedly claimed that he was tortured at US bases in Afghanistan and also at Guantanamo Bay. | 20:26 |
| Clive in meeting | A few weeks ago, lawyer Clive Stafford Smith withdrew a case targeting British intelligence agencies over Shaker's torture in the hope that this may speed his release after 4,440 days. | 20:35 |
| Ruhel | RUHEL AHMED: "So he's like a scapegoat and they're using him as a toy, like on a piece of chess and that's what I believe. Because if he's been cleared by both sides, why is he still stuck there?" | 20:54 |
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| Ruhel. Super: | RUHEL AHMED: "How easy is it to take him out of Guantanamo from a cell, put him on a damn plane and fly him back to England? It's not rocket science!" | 21:25 |
| Exterior. Camp Justice | MILLAR: More than 70 inmates like Shaker Aamer have been cleared for transfer to their own country or other countries. The US now accepts that some committed no crime or there's no prospect of convicting them of anything - even by a jury of military officers. | 21:33 |
| Clive | CLIVE STAFFORD SMITH: "Your whole life is this insane process that you're being mistreated horribly and locked up indefinitely and never charged with anything and told you're cleared and not allowed to go home and you just imagine what that does to somebody to have no certainty at all". | 21:52 |
| Millar walks with soldier | MILLAR: There is one area we've been unable to film during this tour or even learn where it is - Camp 7. CAROL ROSENBERG: "I am currently suing | 22:07 |
| Carol | the US Government to find out who built it, for how much and how much it costs to run it. They have spent 12 years inviting reporters down and saying, ‘See, we show you everything there is to see. It's safe, transparent and humane' and since 2006 they've hidden 15, 16 prisoners in a secret prison that they do not think the world should be allowed to see. | 22:18 |
| Butler | MILLAR: "Why can't we see Camp 7?" | 22:40 |
| Butler. Super: | REAR ADMIRAL RICHARD BUTLER: "That is... that's a location that's classified". MILLAR: "You can't even point in the general direction?" REAR ADMIRAL RICHARD BUTLER: "No". | 22:43 |
| Gitmo. Night | Music | 22:51 |
| Photo. Khalid Sheikh Mohammed | MILLAR: Camp 7 holds Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the alleged mastermind of the September 11 attacks and four others claimed to be involved in the conspiracy. | 22:55 |
| Photo. Inmate | Another inmate is facing trial for the bombing of the USS Cole in 2000 which killed 17 sailors. | 23:05 |
| Gitmo. Night | All six defendants are facing the death penalty if convicted by military commissioned juries. | 23:12 |
| Clive | CLIVE STAFFORD SMITH: I'm afraid if people say that the commissions exceed fair trial standards I can only laugh. I've been involved in commissions. To call them a Mickey Mouse court is to be far too flattering to them and insulting to Disneyland". | 23:22 |
| Carol | CAROL ROSENBERG: "We thought one day perhaps that Osama Bin Laden would go on trial and what we've gotten is his driver. What we've gotten is his cook. What we've gotten is his filmmaker, the propagandist who made a recruiting video for al Qaeda". | 23:34 |
| Gitmo. Night | Music | 23:51 |
| New York GVs | MILLAR: In fact the recent conviction of Bin Laden's son-in-law on | 23:56 |
| Bin Laden's son-in-law | terrorism charges happened not at Guantanamo but in Federal court in New York. | 24:01 |
| Millar walks with Lehnert | Retired General Michael Lehnert says the trials of all Guantanamo prisoners should take place in US civilian courts. Anyone convicted should be gaoled in mainland America. MAJOR-GENERAL (RET) MICHAEL LEHNERT: "If there's anything that the US is good at is locking people up. | 24:08 |
| Lehnert | We have the highest rate of incarceration of any country in the free world and most of them don't get loose". | 24:27 |
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| Millar PTC | MILLAR: The military promotes transparency as one of its core values here, but the reality is there's a limit to what we've been able to see and what we've been able to show you. As for the future of Guantanamo, despite the whittling down of the prison population, it doesn't seem as if there's anywhere near enough momentum to close this place down. | 24:38 |
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| Every morning the national anthem can be heard across the base... A new day, but little changes for either the guards or their prisoners. | 25:10 |
| Clive | CLIVE STAFFORD SMITH: "Oh it's the easiest thing in the world to close Guantanamo Bay down. The vast majority of prisoners should just get sent home. There's only a very small rump of people who need to be put on trial and if they're convicted you punish them and if they're not you set them free". | 25:27 |
| Carol | CAROL ROSENBERG: "Guantanamo isn't just a place. It isn't just a base at the end of Cuba. Guantanamo is indefinite detention without trial, for people held in a war that has nobody to surrender". | 25:45 |
| Loudspeakers | [National anthem] | 26:00 |
| Ruhel | RUHEL AHMED: "It's not going to close down. I don't think it will. It'll be a miracle if that closed down, it'd be a miracle". | 26:06 |
| Soldiers salute | [National anthem] | 26:12 |
| Credits: | Reporter: Lisa Millar Camera: Robert Hill ACS, Charlie Harvey, Dan Sweetapple Editor: Garth Thomas Research: Dee Porter, Emily Smith Producer: Greg Wilesmith Executive producer: Steve Taylor | 26:27 |