Sean:

It's April 1999, I'd come to Israel at a crucial time in the peace process. The Israels were giving land to Palestinians for peace and Jerusalem was expecting thousands of tourists for the millennium.

Speaker 2:

The problem is not the fact that they view-

Ali:

No, no, no [crosstalk] it's not a religious issue.

Speaker 2:

It's not-

Ali:

Never, never. On the contrary among Jews I have a lot of friends.

Sean:

I met a Palestinian called Ali, who spent 17 years in prison for planting a bomb. Today he works a tour guide in Jerusalem.

Ali has a problem with his neighbours, Jewish settlers are buying up Arab houses and moving in.

Ali:

It was here on this balcony, the Israeli flag, what's the meaning of that. You will see it often, whenever you see such a place with Israeli flags in the centre of Arab neighbourhood, you have to know that [inaudible] that we are talking about settlers, Israeli settlers.

It's all the crazy and extremists among the Israel society.

No, we see those two guys who are just sitting in front of you, these are bodyguards. Private bodyguards for the settlers. Sitting with their machine guns.

Speaker 2:

So, you know by the uniform that they are-

Ali:

I know by their uniform, I know them pretty well, because they live here you see. This is a settlement, this is with the Israeli flag here.

Settlement in the centre of the Muslim quarter so a lot of tension here.

Sean:

See.

Ali:

[inaudible] with the sub machine guns. Yeah. See.

These are the private bodyguards.

Sean:

The private bodyguards have Uzis.

Ali:

For the settlers. Yeah, yeah.

Some of them they have Uzis, some of them they just have pistols.

Now, those kids will come here, look, look, they will come and they will attach him. Look, look.

Sean:

Who is he?

Ali:

Jewish, fanatic Jewish. You see they have [inaudible] see they come and attach him. They have [butters]. The have butters in their hands.

Speaker 4:

That's the way to do, that's the way to you. And you make a picture on that, what do you make a picture of that.

Speaker 5:

I make a picture of it, you saw it.

Speaker 4:

Why do you make a picture on that.

Sean:

For years, Jews and Arabs have been fighting over the same land. When Ali was 17, Jerusalem was taken by the Israelis in the Six Day War. It was then he planted the bomb.

Ali has spent over half his adult life in prison. Today he is for peace, but believes there is still some legitimate targets.

Speaker 4:

That's not nice.

Ali:

You say that.

Sean:

Is it okay to stone a settler?

Ali:

A settler yeah, he deserves it.

Sean:

Really.

Ali:

Yeah, yeah, because they are provocative elements. They don't come in a respectful way. They don't work, let's say normally. They are not people who are interested in worshipping , just coming to the Wailing Wall and [inaudible]. They just come over here, they want to provocate people you see, and I think it's not fair. If you come to my city, you should respect yourself, [inaudible] you should respect yourself, I'm giving you my host, so you should behave in a very respectful way, but just because they just come and they look for troubles.

But like this woman, I will not stone her, look.

Sean:

I listened enough to Ali about settlers and I wanted to meet one myself. It was then that I met, [Dove Shirene].

Speaker 6:

Get me on that camera, get me yeah. I love God man, I love God.

Ali:

That's crazy. American.

Sean:

You have to live with these people, day by day.

Ali:

No, I'm not abashed to live with them. No, no, no, no. I want good neighbours.

Sean:

I tracked Dove Shirene down in the Jewish side of town, Dove settled in Israel in 1986. He is known here for his wild radio shows. Unlike most religious Jews, Dove loved the idea of being filmed.

Dove:

Did you get that?

Sean:

Just gonna get the shopping.

Dove:

You got that?

Sean:

Yeah.

Dove:

All right. Gotcha. [foreign language]

What's wrong? Get in here, get her face.

Speaker 8:

No.

Dove:

It's gorgeous.

Speaker 8:

Get her face.

Dove:

I never saw such pretty [foreign language].

Speaker 8:

That's so sweet.

Dove:

Do we need a paper to take pictures? He's taking pictures of me, not of here. I'm the star.

Speaker 8:

[inaudible]

Dove:

New York and Hollywood. We're doing a movie.

Speaker 8:

[foreign language]

Dove:

For the millennium. We're doing a millennium movie.

Hello. Warner Brothers is on the line. Yes, hello, [foreign language]. Yeah, okay great. Bye-bye.

I just have gotten ordered to start a new radio programme.

Sean:

Right.

Dove:

Right here. Yeah. And I told him, I got the guy from television in England, he says bring them over.

Speaker 9:

Talk to me. Talk to me. [inaudible] talk to me. Talk to me. [foreign language] teach me Torah, teach me Torah.

Sean:

Dove clearly wasn't your average Orthodox Jew. He was a follower of a hippie rabbi called Shlmomo [Calbek]. Dove believes that the Jews are the children of Israel and that the land was given to them by God.

Dove:

Are you trying to find yourself you mean?

Speaker 10:

[inaudible]

Dove:

How old are you?

Speaker 10:

I'm 19 years old.

Dove:

Okay, I must tell you that I didn't get an idea of what I'm doing around here until about the age of 31. Have a lot of patience and keep loving the [foreign language] and keep on saying [foreign language] I'm at your service.

Please do [crosstalk], if you do the [foreign language] baby, you're gonna have a high experience.

Just start getting ready for having the highest [foreign language] of your life, and you will see, you're a Jew man. You're an amazing human being.

Sean:

Ali is often on the radio too. When the media wants to know how the Palestinians feel, they come to him.

Ali:

[foreign language]

Sean:

Ali's father settled here from Africa in 1936. He grew up in the African quarter where there are just 43 Arab families. He told me that his city under Israeli rule is his new prison.

When do you think you'll be liberated?

Ali:

I don't know.

Sean:

Do you think you'll ever be liberalised?

Ali:

I don't know.

Well, I don't care about it or so I don't think a lot about it.

Sean:

But you seem quite happy in your life.

Ali:

In some way I am happy and I'm a little bit sad. If I be sad or bitter, it's inside me. Inside me. You see I just keep those feelings inside me. [crosstalk] I keep those feelings to me, you see.

My childhood across this here, you see and there are some of us, we used to go inside and play inside all these things.

Sean:

Ali lives with his wife, three daughters, and his son Muhammad who he calls his little terrorist.

Although his children seem to enjoy being filmed, I wasn't sure about his wife. She seemed unhappy.

Ali:

[foreign language]

1986, I married, you see, and let's say two years ago, I got this room also, some friends came and arranged for me.

Dove:

Boy, a lot of clouds overhead as I facing the holy city of our forefathers, right now and the big news is down the road to the left of me about 20 kilometres in [inaudible] where right at this moment, the soldiers are coming in to try to pull out the settlers from that and I'll tell you about that right after I identify the sponsors.

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Sean:

It's 6:45 in the morning, and Dove does a three minute broadcast to the States from his home in Hebron. The news today is that Israel is giving more land to the Palestinians.

Dove:

Okay, let's go to the big news, this morning, the government is gonna okay another 5% territory being given to the Palestinians as part of the [Sharam] agreement or the Y agreement, who knows which agreement it is anymore. Oh we know that nobody agrees with Yasser Arafat. Listen to this, he said that the ...

Sean:

Dove lives on a settlement. A housing complex secure with fences and its own security police. It's surrounded by Arab towns that have been given back to the Palestinians as part of the peace process.

I join Dove shopping at his local Arab store. The shop owners were cautious of the camera as there can be serious reprisals for Arabs found selling to settlers.

Dove:

[inaudible] [foreign language] macaroni?

Speaker 11:

[foreign language]

Dove:

Yeah, these are [inaudible].

Speaker 5:

Why don't settlers shop at Arab stores though, why don't you shop at settlers stores?

Dove:

Who says they don't. What's settlers? Don't call me a settler, all right. Okay, I object to being a called a settler. I'm a human being that happens to live out here, okay. Stop that settler bull crap, all right.

Settlers. Settlers, homesteaders, homesteaders. What kind of settlers, it's a lot of bull crap, all right. It's political okay. I'm not here for political reasons.

Speaker 5:

What should I call you?

Dove:

Call me, you can say why do the Jews buy in an Arab store?

Speaker 5:

Why do the Jews buy in an Arab store?

Dove:

Because they have a good selection. They're overly.

Speaker 5:

Are they cheaper?

Dove:

Yeah, could be. Matter of fact, I had a grocery next door to my house that was buying his fruits and vegetables from here. And selling it for five, six bucks.

Sean:

Dove lives with his wife Rachelle and four of his nine children.

Speaker 12:

What are you doing, you're also interviewing an Arab? And-

Dove:

A terrorist. I've got an Arab-

Sean:

Ex-terrorist.

Dove:

Ex-terrorist.  [crosstalk]-

Speaker 12:

An ex-terrorist.

Dove:

He put a bomb by Hadassah Hospital-

Speaker 12:

I don't believe this.

Dove:

He spent 17 years in jail.

Speaker 12:

And where is he now?

Dove:

Ali is his name. He's Arab, he's a tour guide. You want to read this. You want to-

Speaker 12:

My God.

Dove:

Do you see what they said in the [crosstalk]. Do you see who they let out of jail?

Speaker 12:

Did he kill anybody?

Dove:

You see who they let out of a jail?

Speaker 12:

Who'd they let out of jail.

Dove:

Yesterday? Here watch this one.

Life imprisonment for manslaughter. They get out in February 1990.

Sean:

So he's doing [crosstalk]-

Dove:

20 years for attempted murder.

15 years for attempted murder.

Seven years for manslaughter.

That's amazing.

Speaker 12:

It's tough in nights. Totally nuts.

Sean:

Today Arab neighbourhoods just directly opposite.

Speaker 12:

Yeah.

Dove:

Where is my ...

Speaker 12:

The other side is Arabs.

Sean:

So they can just climb over?

Speaker 12:

Oh yeah. There's supposed to be security. It's the whole thing is totally insane.

Sean:

But it's relatively safe.

Speaker 12:

I guess at the moment. Yeah. I mean, we don't [inaudible] we don't feel, it's not like living my [foreign language] in the city Havrell, where ...

Sean:

Because there's Jewish families there isn't it.

Speaker 12:

Sure there's Jewish families there, they're a minority. Here it's, heres just a few farms and houses here, houses there, but there it's like a whole city of them.

Ali:

[foreign language]

Yesterday a lot of troubles took place at the main market. A friend of mine was beaten, his name is [Alsaudih Alheneken]. It was fiercely beaten attack by the [Bordeget] soldiers.

Sean:

Why?

Ali:

Because one settler was stoned in front of his shop. He has nothing to do. Look the blood from his head, from his ears.

Sean:

How often do the settlers get stoned?

Ali:

Whenever they are passing there young Palestinians.

Sean:

They will be stoned?

Ali:

Yeah. They are very popular here.

Now, I want you to have the feeling as if you are local residents. Do you have an idea about daily life.

Sean:

Yeah.

Ali:

We will go through the meat market, you have to stand it a little consuming this meal, but I compensate you directly, I bring you the spices market. [foreign language]

If you look at the balcony over there, you see Israeli flags, now you will see it often. Whenever you go in a centre of Arab neighbourhood, you see such place, you have to know we are talking about settlement, settlers. Meaning Israelis who come and live in the centre of Arab neighbourhood.

Unfortunately, the way you have among Arabs crazy elements, these are the crazy elements among the Israelis. Total [foreign language]. Very extremist. And today you will be surprised to find that the majority of American Jews, if you go to the Jewish quarter at the end, you don't hear Hebrew language, what you hear [foreign language] what you hear is English, American accent. [foreign language]

Sean:

Ali even has tee shirts of himself as the terrorist turned tour guide. His work on the streets of Jerusalem keeps him in touch with his people.

Ali:

This is the one who was in the newspaper. [foreign language]

Speaker 13:

[foreign language]

Ali:

[foreign language]

You see his face. You see, you see. Unbelievable.

Speaker 13:

[foreign language]

Ali:

And all his back. Look, look, look, look his chest.

Speaker 13:

[foreign language]

Ali:

All of his back also.

Speaker 13:

[foreign language]

Ali:

30 of the Bordegot Soldiers attacked him in his shop.

Sean:

Why him?

Ali:

[foreign language]

Speaker 13:

[foreign language]

Ali:

Ah, he wanted to go and pray in the Oxel, they said to him it's forbidden.

Speaker 13:

Look, here, [crosstalk] you see.

Sean:

With those big sticks?

Speaker 13:

Yes.

Ali:

Big sticks.

Sean:

So there's no chance.

Ali:

[foreign language]

Speaker 13:

[foreign language]

Sean:

I found the tension here too much sometimes, I wondered if Ali wanted to get out and do something else.

Ali:

I was put in prison when I was a teenager, I was a student. In prison we don't work. So I came out with nothing, you see. I have no profession at all. And I said to my friends, I said to them, I wished I had a profession, something to do. Carpenter, something, I don't know what.

Sean:

What profession would you do?

What did you want to do before you went to prison?

Ali:

Well, I was, I had my own ambitions, I was thinking to become a lawyer, something like that. But my whole ambitions were undermined by [inaudible], by the occupation.

Sean:

Do you regret planting the bomb, because you'd be a different person now [crosstalk]-

Ali:

No, no, I don't regret it. I have nothing to regret, you see. If I regret, I regret that I was a victim and also Israelis who I wounded were victims also too. Both of us were victims of the new situation. These are your occupation.

Sean:

That's hidden well.

Ali:

This is our society.

Sean:

You have to hide, okay.

Ali:

See, my sister, she's my sister but she knows I drink, but in front of her I should hide it, you see. It's not good under such a letter.

Sean:

Yeah.

Dove runs a café in the Muslim quarter, five minutes from Ali's house.

Dove:

Why aren't there beers in here?

Speaker 5:

Yeah. 12.

Dove:

In Yemen, there's a four shekel profit on a beer, I want beers in here. I want the people to see all of our selection.

Speaker 14:

What's going on?

Speaker 15:

[foreign language]

Sean:

At the dividing line between the Muslim and Jewish quarter, an Arab has been refused entrance for his own safety. Dove does something very unusual for an Orthodox Jew.

Speaker 15:

[foreign language]

Dove:

[foreign language]

Speaker 15:

[foreign language]

Dove:

[foreign language]

Speaker 15:

[foreign language]

Dove:

[foreign language]

Speaker 15:

[foreign language]

Sean:

He didn't do that for the camera.

Dove:

No way man. I did not do that for the camera, son, I told you. I don't play games. I'm for real. I look for every opportunity, that's part of the secret to life. Look for every opportunity. God likes what you're doing, if it's just little things, crossing somebody the street or something, he frees you from other stuff. So, you're the nigger that's go to work, see.

And I play, and everything's beautiful and it's a mitzvah. You know how much credit I got for doing that act of love for a fellow human being, an older person, which the Torah says that you have to respect an older person no matter if he's Jewish or not.

Speaker 5:

Why was that you that was willing to help him.

Dove:

That's my smarts.

Now, what I've got to do is the prayer I was supposed to do in the morning. The prays prayer.

Sean:

How long is it gonna take?

Dove:

A few minutes.

[foreign language]

Sean:

The next time I saw Ali, his wife had left him, taking the kids to her mother's house in [Acku] a town on the coast.

Did she give you an ultimatum?

Ali:

Not ultimatum no, no, no. She say I care about my husband, I want my husband to see, I really appreciate him, I like him, but my husband has a problem. He has different moods.

Sean:

And the moods, because of being in prison?

Ali:

No.

Sean:

What then?

Ali:

Definitely because of the prison. Sometimes I become angry. Mainly when I see the political situation and when I see the concessions from the Palestinian side, the way they are humiliating themselves, drives me crazy.

Sean:

Do you take it out on your family and your wife?

Ali:

Huh?

Sean:

Do you take it out, your aggression, do you take your anger in the house.

Ali:

No, no, no.

Sean:

But you lose your temper?

Ali:

No. But I would be in different moods you see. Sometimes I don't want to talk at all.

Sean:

I see.

Ali:

She's talking to me, and I'm just making like this, like this, and she knows pretty well that I'm not with her, you see.

Sean:

Ali was going to a wedding party for a friend, a kind of Arabic stag night and he invited me along. I felt he was putting on a brave face.

Ali:

Whenever I see kids, I remember [inaudible].

Sean:

Your parents miss the family.

Ali:

Yeah, my father, my mother they miss the kids, I mean, the children. My father said to me, your house was full of light because of the children, but now, I can't it's so dark. No more light.

I say to him, yeah true. Yeah, true.

[foreign language]

Sean:

I'd come back to Ali's house but he wasn't at home. His family told me he'd been drinking for a week and now realised the reason why his wife had left him.

Ali:

I got fed up, honestly I got fed up. I got fed up.

Sean:

Why are you fed up Ali?

Ali:

I got fed up.

Sean:

With what?

Ali:

I got fed up by [inaudible], I am tired.

Sean:

How do you know.

Ali:

I'm tired.

Sean:

Should we go and have a cup of tea?

Ali:

No, no, I want to go and drink?

This is my life, now it's too late. It's too late. It's too late, [Shamm], it's too late.

Sean:

Why is it too late?

Ali:

It's too late. Now, I'm asking myself, I'm talking to myself.

Sean:

Why is it too late?

Ali:

[foreign language], for whom? For whom you roasted in life. It's too late. Now, I'm old. Look I'm old. I can't walk. I can't walk.

I want to see my children at home. I want to see people, but I can't. Look, what I'm seeing.

Look this apartment, they took it, the settlers. Settlers are [inaudible].

Speaker 16:

[foreign language]

Speaker 17:

[foreign language]

Ali:

[foreign language]

Speaker 17:

[foreign language]

Ali:

[foreign language]

Speaker 17:

[foreign language]

Ali:

[foreign language]

Speaker 17:

[foreign language] lemon.

Sean:

Lemon.

Speaker 17:

[foreign language]

Sean:

Isn't it. He's hiding it. Is that your secret stash.

Ali:

Huh?

Sean:

Your secret money.

Speaker 17:

[foreign language]

Ali:

[foreign language]

Speaker 17:

[foreign language]

Ali:

[foreign language]

Speaker 17:

[foreign language]

Ali:

[foreign language]

Speaker 17:

[foreign language]

[foreign language]

Sean:

Really.

Speaker 17:

[foreign language]

Sean:

Oh no.

Speaker 17:

[foreign language]

Ali:

So we stay one month, no drinking at all. Then my aunt she'll go to Accum talk to my wife.

Sean:

Well, your sister was saying that your wife's not keen on coming back.

Ali:

I can't force her, I'm democratic. [crosstalk] really should, I don't deserve such a life. I deserve better, better than this life.

Sean:

Dove invited me for a meal round at his mother's house a neighbouring settlement.

Dove:

Come sit down with your grandchildren.

Speaker 18:

Make yourself comfortable, sit down to the table, and sit down [crosstalk] be gracious.

Speaker 19:

It's great food, [Babbi].

Sean:

No this is fine.

Dove:

Have a seat.

Speaker 18:

No thank you.

Dove:

You come to the old European immigrants there's no way you can get away with not eating, you know.

Speaker 18:

The one you see ...

Dove:

Yeah.

This is also, the other one was [inaudible].

Speaker 18:

As a settler.

Dove:

As a settler.

Speaker 18:

His picture.

Dove:

[crosstalk]

Speaker 18:

This picture, it was in the Economist or something.

Dove:

These are the two important things of true settlers of the land of Israel.

Sean:

What is?

Dove:

Books on the arm and unfortunately because of the situation, a sub machine gun strapped to the other side of it.

Sean:

What does mommy think of that?

Dove:

She [crosstalk] made sure that my gun was always cleaned and that I had the proper amount of bullets.

Speaker 18:

That's right. Because [crosstalk]-

Dove:

We used to live down here. [crosstalk] in the middle of the intifada.

Speaker 18:

We had the intifada for eight years.

Dove:

Sure. [crosstalk] and I'm not trying to leave my gun here.

Speaker 18:

We had a car that was smashed-

Dove:

On the way to town, leave the gun, you know.

Speaker 18:

... how many times. I myself was four times in a car that the windows were smashed.

Sean:

Dove came to Israel just before the intifada, the most violent conflict between Arabs and Jews in recent history.

Dove:

I've got many, many stories of rock throwing and shooting and all kinds of things.

Sean:

They throw the rocks, you don't throw the rocks. [crosstalk] Jewish people don't throw rocks.

Dove:

Oh there were stone throwing, we were throwing rocks, boy ...

Sean:

You were throwing rocks.

Dove:

Oh, we were smashing Arab windows, sure.

Sean:

We only see the Arabs throwing the rocks.

Dove:

Well, at the time, the Arabs initiated it. But there was a time when we just be in the middle of the intifada when the lights were out in the houses and you'd get a rock, then you'd gather like 20 rocks together and just drive down the road and just smash a rock through each window of every Arab house. As you're driving down the street.

This is what was going on. And two years later it was like going through the Arab town of [Kusonda]. And there's a road block there of stones and I stop and go out and there's this Arab beyond the road block throwing rocks at my car. So I grab my sub machine gun and click, click and all, and shot one bullet up in the air and he kept throwing. You're just like what, macho man over there in the middle of the road throwing stones. Then I shot one in his direction, still didn't get him out of the way. And then finally, I aim right at him, knowing this guy wants me to kill him, and then I start talking to God and I said, master of the universe if you want this man dead, then kill him yourself. And then I put the gun down, got in the car, made a u-turn, and did my radio show from some phone booth in some other settlement.

That was that.

Sean:

But now you don't carry a gun.

Dove:

No. I'm a man of peace. Today, and I love Arabs. I love all people, and we don't know, we're at a period of time where everybody hopes this thing will continue, be peaceful. Do I think it will be peaceful, no.

Sean:

Ali hadn't been seen on the streets for over a week, so I went to his house. His family told me they were worried about him.

You sleeping? You sleeping?

In the six months, I'd known Ali, he talked constantly about the suffering of his people. I was now beginning to witness his suffering.

Ali:

[foreign language]

Speaker 17:

[foreign language]

Ali:

[foreign language]

Speaker 17:

[foreign language]

Ali:

[foreign language]

Dove:

I am very self-conscious, I don't think I look very good sleeping. [foreign language]

Sean:

Is that the most self-conscious you've been being filmed is sleeping

Dove:

Yeah. Sleeping is [inaudible], because a person's not in control of what he does.

Speaker 20:

What?

Dove:

I could, who the hell knows what.

Speaker 20:

You want a blanket.

Dove:

Have scales and everything. [Marish] ...

Speaker 20:

What.

Dove:

You think I should let them film me when I'm sleeping.

Speaker 20:

[inaudible]

Dove:

Does it look stupid.

Speaker 20:

No.

Dove:

I'll tell you the truth. I'm not doing this purposely, Sean, but you're gonna get took us there.

(singing)

Oh, I love that song, 1968, I was 18 years old, I wanted to ... I was looking for my soul mate and I sang that song, it was so Jewish sounding. So beautiful.

Sean:

Dove had a name for me, Aesof. Because of my Catholic background, he becomes suspicious. He told me Aesof of an enemy of the Jews.

Dove:

That's good enough.

Sean:

He was beginning to feel, I had an ulterior motive in filming him.

Dove:

This is the way it should be, not like leaning over. If you weren't photographing me and everything, should look good. I should look neat. Right or wrong.

Sean:

[inaudible]

Dove:

I know you do, you prefer me to act like a total idiot on the camera also so you have a better story. You could de-legitimise me.

Sean:

De-legitimise you.

Dove:

Yeah, that's what the English would like to see.

Sean:

No. [crosstalk]

Dove:

Jews are mashuganas.

Sean:

What does that mean.

Dove:

Nuts. Right.

Sean:

No.

Dove had told me of Israels most notorious settler, Baruch Goldstein, the local doctor here. In 1996 he was hacked to death after walking into a mosque and shooting dead 29 Arabs, who were praying.

It was world wide news and is still very sensitive in Israel today. I got Dove to take me to Goldstein's grave.

Dove:

His almost, could say followers now, Goldstein-ites, went and they made this thing here. Plaza, lights, on the grave of Goldstein.

He gave his soul for the nation of Israel and the land. And then it uses a line, which I have in one of my own songs, who will go up to the mount of the lord, he who's hands are clean and pure of heart.

I'm depending on you, I don't know how I'm sounding and everything, but you know, a lot of people they do have falafel brains and if this-

Sean:

Dove was becoming nervous about the Goldstein thing.

Dove:

I'm telling you heavy trip, like everything else in my life, understand. I mean, there are people [crosstalk] here that say Goldstein did the right thing and I wish, I'm gonna name my next child after Goldstein.

Sean:

But you're not saying that.

Dove:

No, I'm not saying that. I'm saying I understand the situation. I understand how it could have driven the doctor specifically of this place, to go and do what he did at that time. And my connection to Goldstein, I don't understand it. I don't understand it.

I love God, and I look for the thing in Goldstein which I would like to have. And that is the courage, the might, since then I'm fearless, nothing scares me. Nothing.

Sean:

Nothing.

Dove:

Nothing. Only God maybe.

Sean:

Not even guns.

Dove:

I'm afraid of God, not even what?

Sean:

Guns?

Dove:

I'm not afraid of nothing.

Sean:

At the time of the Goldstein massacre, Dove was thrown off the radio for a remark he made about Arabs. And a picture of Dove posing with a sub machine gun and bible was used by the Economist and shown around the world as the image of a settler.

Dove seemed full of contradictions to me. An ultra religious man with a hippie lifestyle. He was an outsider within his own religious community.

He insisted he wasn't a settler or a Goldstein fan, he just lived on Israels most notorious settlements because the rent was cheap.

The one thing that was clear to me was that Dove enjoyed being filmed from almost any angle.

Ali still wasn't working. I couldn't stand by and watch any longer.

Ali:

I know what I have to do.

Sean:

You were doing it, and you broke it. You tell me last week you were not gonna drink for one month. What happened, why did you drink?

Ali:

Was angry.

Sean:

Well, you got to be angry and not drink.

Ali:

I was angry. Sure, sure. Give me [inaudible]. You can't understand pretty well my mentality. I was in [Bekrum] yesterday for that I was drunk.

Sean:

But it just ruins yourself. Because you're a happy man most of the time.

Ali:

I'm not happy.

Sean:

Why are you not happy.

Ali:

I'll tell you why. Give me one reason to be happy. Give me one reason. I'm under occupation. I can't walk in the street freely. You can walk. You, British, you can walk freely, but me in my city, where I born, where I grew up, I can't walk freely. Why you want me to be happy, why? Why you want me to be happy?

Because they betrayed me. Why. Why, why. Give me one reason, why I should be happy, give me one reason.

Sean:

Because other people live in the same occupation that you do, and they survived. I don't like to see you hurting yourself and ruining yourself, because you can be stronger and more positive if you're not doing this to yourself.

You've lived with the occupation for years.

Is it just the occupation that makes you unhappy? Would you be happy with a Palestinian state?

Ali:

A lot of that.

Sean:

Ali, let me ask you one more question. What will make you happy? What will make you happy?

Ali:

That my son Muhammad.

Sean:

Yeah.

Ali:

[inaudible] can't imagine now, [inaudible] when I used to diss him. One day he was to come home and just come in [inaudible].

I bring him back. I bring him.

Sean:

He will.

Ali:

I promise you, Sean, I promise you, Sean. I bring him back.

I promise you. I bring him back.

Dove:

The end is coming right. This is supposed to be the year that we give up 400 and something square miles to [Golan] heights, and bring the enemy right to Lake [Kanarit]. I don't know, it's not gone be a quiet year is Israel. To go loud, it's promising to be a very big and violent, I'm sorry to say, but violent in terms of a lot of pushing and shoving, I hope not more than that.

But there's a whole cross section of people in this country that don't believe that Israel should come down from the Golan Heights. And of course, this place 18,000 residents that built up the Golan Heights.

That will be our latest news report from Israel. [foreign language] from Jerusalem, be strong everybody and I'll speak to you again on WMCA, Saturday night at about 12 midnight, 570 on the AM, [foreign language] from Jerusalem.

What's wrong Jews living here together with Arabs. What's the big crime?

Sean:

Arab says their land.

Dove:

Well, you should have thrown them out. What they should have done. That's what [Kahharra] preached, not out of hate for them, because that's the general rule if you say it's your land and you want it, the only way to really settle is by cleaning out.

Sean:

You can't just throw people out.

Dove:

Why not?

Sean:

Where would they go?

Dove:

Just replace them, put them somewhere else.

Sean:

But they've been living here for years as well.

Dove:

So, they were living here. So.

Sean:

You just acknowledged that they've got a guardianship as well.

Dove:

I know, no, I don't acknowledge, absolutely not.

This was unsettled territory, we took it over. [crosstalk] because of a war. We're not the invaders. They attacked us.

You attack and then you got to pay the price. You lose the war, you pay the price.

Sean:

It's Ramadan when Muslims are forbidden to eat during daylight hours. For the first time in his life, Ali is fasting. He's decided to dry out, to try, and get his wife and kids back.

Ali:

I decided for fasting, not because on the religious background, no, no, because I want. I want.

Sean:

Nothing to do or anything ...

Ali:

No, no, it has nothing to do with the religion this year. It has to do with me personally. Me, myself, I want to check my will, my abilities. After all this, you see.

Sean:

After the last crazy month?

Ali:

Yeah.

State.

Sean:

She not well, huh. She should lay down and not do anything.

Ali:

Yeah.

I will miss her a lot if she pass away.

Sean:

You're worried about her health sometimes.

Ali:

Yeah, yeah. Sometimes, I'm worried about all that. I ask her not to work, not to do anything, but she can't.

Sean:

Be quite lonely without your mother.

Ali:

Yeah. No complaint session from me.

Sean:

No wife.

Ali:

Nobody.

I'm so connected to her. Because during my imprisonment, the only one who was looking after me, she was. And when I am in a bad mood, and bad situation, I'm frustrated, she is the one who looks after me.

Sean:

And now, you're looking after her.

Ali:

I should. I should.

Sean:

Why is your father eat on his own, why doesn't he ever eat with you?

Ali:

He doesn't in fact. No.

Sean:

He just sat on his own now.

Ali:

Yeah, yeah. He's used to that. He's [inaudible] because of my politics.

Sean:

Does your mother agree with you by how your father [crosstalk]-

Ali:

Yes, yes, yes.

Sean:

What does she think.

Ali:

Oh my mom is totally with me. But she says, look Ali, you've met your father only 10 years, but I've been with your father more than 50 years already so I'm used to that.

Sean:

Is he embarrassed about you going to prison?

Ali:

Well, he's a [inaudible], which means he was supposed to look after people not to do such things, so imagine at the end of the day to find out that his son is doing such things.

A lot of tension over here. I can say that if Shalom was really serious and he wanted an apartment in [inaudible] central Jerusalem he can have the best apartment in the Jewish quarter.

Sean:

Ali is back on his feet, at work performing for Israeli TV again. It's nearly a year since I first filmed Ali. In this time, the Israelis have given up more than 17% of land, but the thing that no one can agree on is the future of Jerusalem and who it belongs to.

Ali:

Now, we are moving towards the Jewish neighbourhood. We still are in the Arab neighbourhood, but more and more settlers we will see on our way. More and more settlers we will see on our way.

Speaker 21:

And now, we've got live from cold, cold, cold Hebron, Dove you're in.

Dove:

Yeah, I'm outside in the street, because the weather is the headlines here. It is windy and it is cold.

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The other big item is that the rabbis got together up in the Golan Heights and issued a sack that it is us that are to give up territories, that Israel should stay put up there. That's the latest news out of Israel, I love you all, [foreign langugage] from Hebron.

Sean:

Just as the peace talks were on the news again, war broke out between Dove and me. He'd seen me grimace at the idea of Israel keeping the Golan Heights. The piece of land they won from Syria in the 1967 war.

Why are you saying this now?

Dove:

What do you mean, why am I saying it now.

Sean:

Why are you attacking me, with Brit, now.

Dove:

Why?

Sean:

Yeah.

Did you see me grimace or something?

Dove:

Yeah.

Sean:

Did you?

Dove:

Yes, I saw you grimace.

Sean:

No, I was just grimacing trying to understand. Just thinking, not disagreeing.

Dove:

You're not letting yourself understand. It's something so simple-

Sean:

I think I'm doing it pretty well.

Dove:

... Something so simple. Is this land ours, or isn't it. And we suffered so much and at this late date you still cringe that why doesn't Israel want to make peace. Why doesn't Israel give up Jerusalem. Don't you [crosstalk] see.

Sean:

I didn't say that.

Dove:

That it comes from your innards, from your blood. You hate, you hate Jews.

Sean:

I haven't said a word.

Dove:

It's natural.

But it's not interpreted today, it's now, I don't hate Jews, I just don't want a grant Jews their land. That's hatred. That's hatred. If [crosstalk] you don't want the Jews to have anything.

Sean:

Peace process.

Dove:

Peace, it's piss, not peace. You're full of bologna.

Sean:

Later I tried to make peace with Dove, but it was too late. He was now convinced that I was Aesof the Jew hater.

Dove:

I didn't say that you hate Jews. All right, maybe I did. If you're Aesof. It doesn't mean that you hate Jews, but a guy like you that's not religious, that intrinsic thing doesn't have to come out as Jew hatred, it wouldn't. Because you're a man of the world, and you've developed environmentally, and if you allow something like that to come to your consciousness.

Sean:

If anything I hate religion.

Dove:

What?

Sean:

If anything I hate religion, because I see what it does-

Dove:

That's the Aesof in you, that's the Aesof in you, nigger. That's the Aesof, that's it. You go me on film, that's the Aesof, that's it.

Sean:

Because that's what I see what it does to people.

Dove:

Sean, that's it.

Sean:

But this is what it does to people.

Dove:

Listen to yourself, I am religion. [crosstalk] all right, I am religion. That's right, you hate religion.

Sean:

Look at what it does to people.

Dove:

That's what it is.

Sean:

Look what it does to people.

Dove:

That's exactly, listen to it, it's on tape now.

Sean:

That's what it does to people.

Dove:

It's on tape. What does, shumz ...

Sean:

That's what it does to people.

Dove:

Let me tell you something, the Jew represents one thing in the world, and it's religion. And when the rabbi, Rabbi Shimon bar Yochai says, [foreign language], Aesof hates [inaudible] this is the thing, that's the, I hate religion.

I hate religion, we got it [crosstalk]-

Sean:

I said, if anything, if anything [crosstalk]-

Dove:

You have it on tape.

Sean:

If anything-

Dove:

We are on the way, we're on the way, we're on our way home, we're going home. You and I have memories longer than the road that stretches on the head, we got it.

Speaker 17:

You feel it well.

Sean:

At the end of Ramadan, I find Ali with his children. They'd come home for a few days without their mother.

Ali:

Okay, welcome.

Speaker 17:

[foreign language]

Speaker 22:

[foreign language]

Ali:

Say hi, hi.

Sean:

Hello.

Speaker 23:

[foreign language]

Ali:

Yes.

Speaker 22:

[foreign language]

Sean:

Nearly a year after his wife left, Ali is now hopeful that she will return.

Speaker 22:

Hello. [foreign language]

Ali:

[foreign language]

[foreign language] okay, let's go.

Speaker 23:

[foreign language]

Ali:

[foreign language]

Speaker 23:

[foreign language]

Ali:

[foreign language]

Speaker 23:

[foreign language]

Ali:

[foreign language]

Speaker 23:

[foreign language]

Ali:

This is one of them you see. This is a new one. [foreign language]

Sean:

Is it working?

Ali:

Yeah, yeah, it does work, yeah.

Dove:

(singing)

Yeah.

(singing)

Let's do it.