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The Best Pilot In The World

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The Best Pilot In The World

0003 01:00:57:22 01:01:01:02

A movie by

Dr. Amir Har-Gil

0004 01:01:01:24 01:01:06:10

Producers

Udi Kalinski and Amir Manor

0005 01:02:26:24 01:02:29:16

The sun's shining so brightly.

0006 01:02:34:12 01:02:39:13

Who can this be?

-So early in the morning?

0007 01:02:44:13 01:02:46:15

Yes?

0008 01:02:46:17 01:02:49:11

Yes, I hear you

loud and clear.

0009 01:02:49:13 01:02:50:18

I hear you!

0010 01:02:50:20 01:02:55:24

Hello? -Good morning, Mr Gil?

-Speaking. -I'm calling from Fedex,

0011 01:02:56:05 01:03:00:10

I have a parcel for you. -Fedex?

-Yes. -Who's it from?

0012 01:03:01:20 01:03:08:02

I'll come to the gate, to meet you.

Down, the road is going down.

0013 01:03:11:01 01:03:13:16

Good morning to you.

-Good morning.

0014 01:03:15:18 01:03:17:03

This is the delivery.

0015 01:03:17:05 01:03:19:08

Thank you. -Have a nice day.

0016 01:03:19:10 01:03:21:10

Bambam, come here.

0017 01:03:23:15 01:03:27:04

What's this?

-I don't know.

0018 01:03:27:06 01:03:29:00

It's...

0019 01:03:33:17 01:03:35:17

Israel...

0020 01:03:35:20 01:03:39:20

Guinness World record!

0021 01:03:42:22 01:03:47:22

I am pleased to inform you that

you have been successful

0022 01:03:47:24 01:03:51:15

in setting a new

Guinness World record!

0023 01:03:51:18 01:03:56:10

Under the category of "the oldest

active fighter pilot in the world".

0024 01:03:56:14 01:04:01:06

How very amusing!

-By golly... -Amazing.

0025 01:04:01:13 01:04:05:10

It looks authentic, doesn't it?

-Yes.

0026 01:04:05:20 01:04:09:10

Uri, you hold a Guinness

world record. Just great!

0027 01:04:11:10 01:04:13:20

Call your daughters...

0028 01:04:15:13 01:04:20:13

Call Lior... -Yes.

-This is just great.

0029 01:04:22:22 01:04:25:20

It was worth it...

0030 01:04:25:24 01:04:28:15

Shiri, what's up?

0031 01:04:28:24 01:04:32:13

How are my grandchildren? -Ok...

0032 01:04:32:22 01:04:38:18

Listen, -Yes? -Some actions

were taken behind my back,

0033 01:04:38:21 01:04:43:07

and I got a

certificate from Guinness...

0034 01:04:44:02 01:04:46:20

World records...

0035 01:04:47:01 01:04:49:22

Uri Gil, it's written

in English, of-course...

0036 01:04:49:24 01:04:54:14

Israeli born, 9 April 1943,

0037 01:04:54:16 01:04:57:18

a brigadier-general

in the Israeli Air force,

0038 01:04:57:20 01:05:04:18

was an active fighter pilot from

1964 until his last flight in an F-16

0039 01:05:04:20 01:05:11:11

on 20 June 2003,

at the age of 60 years 72 days.

0040 01:05:11:13 01:05:15:05

Very nice! -Tell the kids.

0041 01:05:18:23 01:05:21:22

2 years earlier

Negev desert, Israel

0042 00:00:00:00 00:00:00:00

Or

Mizpeh Ramon

0043 01:05:33:12 01:05:37:09

The parade will stand at ease,

at ease!

0044 01:05:41:12 01:05:46:05

Morning briefing at 9:50.

0045 01:05:55:09 01:05:58:11

This is the dramatic bit.

0046 01:05:59:04 01:06:02:06

Have you any idea

how much this weighs?

0047 01:06:16:08 01:06:18:14

This is mine...

0048 01:06:18:17 01:06:23:20

This hat is from 1976.

During my service I had two hats:

0049 01:06:23:22 01:06:28:10

>From '64 to '76 and from '76,

and this is it, my second hat.

0050 01:06:28:12 01:06:31:03

Second helmet, yes...

0051 01:06:32:00 01:06:34:09

It's the oldest one here.

0052 01:06:34:11 01:06:38:00

I asked that as a farewell,

they renovate my helmet,

0053 01:06:38:02 01:06:42:05

that it will be a smooth white,

that's all,

0054 01:06:42:07 01:06:46:07

that's how I want to receive it.

It will be done.

0055 01:07:34:13 01:07:38:23

All the pilots in the world

want to aim at the cockpit:

0056 01:07:39:00 01:07:42:02

the Arabs, the Jews,

the Americans, everyone!

0057 01:07:42:04 01:07:45:18

That's where one should aim.

0058 01:07:51:18 01:07:56:09

The first MIG I hit was in the

cockpit, as was the last.

0059 01:07:56:11 01:08:00:03

The first was during the 1967 War

and the last one was during

0060 01:08:00:05 01:08:04:18

1982 war ... a difference

of 15 years in air combat.

0061 01:08:04:20 01:08:08:03

I didn't shoot down

the highest number of planes,

0062 01:08:08:05 01:08:12:07

but I'm the only one who downed

planes in all the wars. Nice.

0063 01:08:12:19 01:08:16:09

So the first, and the last,

were cockpit hits.

0064 01:08:17:05 01:08:19:24

Yes, it was nicely hit.

0065 01:08:49:02 01:08:52:19

It was interesting.

-It wasn't.

0066 01:08:52:21 01:08:56:10

I enjoyed it.

-It was my fault.

0067 01:08:56:12 01:09:01:08

Never mind. -It was my fault

and I won't be able to sleep.

0068 01:09:03:14 01:09:07:23

You didn't go into it properly.

0069 01:09:08:01 01:09:13:06

You told me,

when one comes down to cut him off.

0070 01:09:13:08 01:09:17:13

listen closely... I marked him, but

I said: "you mark the other!" -No.

0071 01:09:19:21 01:09:21:15

Listen very closely...

0072 01:09:32:12 01:09:35:04

Is that me or him?

0073 01:09:35:06 01:09:39:06

Okay. I wasn't with it today.

-Never mind. -How stupid.

0074 01:09:39:08 01:09:41:08

Forget it...

0075 01:09:41:17 01:09:43:14

No...

0076 01:09:47:15 01:09:52:00

This was my mistake.

I should not gone in on him.

0077 01:09:53:08 01:09:55:05

Come here, Bambam.

0078 01:09:55:07 01:10:00:03

Bambam, come here!

Come here, sweet dog.

0079 01:10:01:10 01:10:05:10

It's important to discuss the things

that weren't good enough

0080 01:10:05:12 01:10:09:17

When I think of a flight I think

of the things that weren't good.

0081 01:10:09:19 01:10:14:08

and so, if something bad happened to

me I think about it, till the next time.

0082 01:10:14:10 01:10:19:12

One day,

I see a young man getting dressed

0083 01:10:19:15 01:10:24:09

and I ask him: "What's this?"

And he says: "Im going home at 6".

0084 01:10:24:11 01:10:25:20

I said to him:

0085 01:10:25:22 01:10:29:22

"I don't understand you. We flew

together,

0086 01:10:31:08 01:10:35:23

there was a long line of fuck-ups

"how are you going home today?

0087 01:10:36:00 01:10:39:06

"You should stay here and

think about it".

0088 01:10:39:08 01:10:43:00

"This is a serious vocation.

A person who goes home everyday,

0089 01:10:43:02 01:10:46:17

"doesn't treat this

mission seriously.

0090 01:10:46:19 01:10:51:19

"Flight is a serious vocation,

it nearly takes up all of you..."

0091 01:10:53:02 01:10:54:19

Hello!

0092 01:11:01:13 01:11:03:20

How much? -75 and 300.

0093 01:11:06:24 01:11:10:10

Shall we toast this

with some wine?

0094 01:11:10:16 01:11:16:04

I always considered the age of 60

to be a very respectable one

0095 01:11:16:06 01:11:19:02

most of my life is

still ahead of me

0096 01:11:19:04 01:11:21:12

and a person is now at his

philosophical age

0097 01:11:21:14 01:11:24:15

and I recommend you all

to adopt this...

0098 01:11:24:20 01:11:28:03

Cheers! -Congratulations!

-Good health!

0099 01:11:28:09 01:11:33:12

Okay, dad, you stressed nonchalantly

that without presents, just children,

0100 01:11:33:18 01:11:37:03

but your

sixtieth birthday is special,

0101 01:11:37:05 01:11:39:19

so we did as we felt...

0102 01:11:39:21 01:11:44:01

so we prepared

a few things for you...

0103 01:11:44:07 01:11:47:11

This is for you.

-Where was this?

0104 01:11:47:13 01:11:49:10

I have big pockets...

0105 01:11:52:13 01:11:54:12

It's all wrapped up...

0106 01:11:58:23 01:12:01:13

I couldn't get a better

present...

0107 01:12:01:15 01:12:04:01

- In your foot steps -

0108 01:12:04:03 01:12:05:21

This is beautiful.

0109 01:12:05:23 01:12:09:08

Who is this?

-Me. -You?

0110 01:12:09:10 01:12:11:11

It's beautiful.

-That's you...

0111 01:12:11:13 01:12:15:05

Shiri made all of it,

including the box, right?

0112 01:12:18:19 01:12:21:10

Blow on it...

0113 01:12:28:06 01:12:32:18

"Here is the news.

The time is 11 o'clock.

0114 01:12:33:03 01:12:38:02

"The IDF spokesman reported that

in all air combats during the day,

0115 01:12:38:05 01:12:42:18

"the number of enemy planes

downed has gone up to 25,

0116 01:12:43:05 01:12:48:08

"6 of them Egyptian

and 19 Syrian..."

0117 01:13:06:18 01:13:09:03

Verdi, come here!

0118 01:13:10:09 01:13:12:24

Verdi, out!

0119 01:13:13:05 01:13:16:20

Can you tell us a little about

yourself?

0120 01:13:16:22 01:13:20:10

I'll tell you

about the paintings.

0121 01:13:22:13 01:13:25:07

Just to give you a rundown of the

models: this is my eldest daughter

0122 01:13:25:09 01:13:30:05

when she was 19. This is my

youngest daughter when she was 17,

0123 01:13:30:07 01:13:35:14

and this one here is at present

already 36 and this one's 32.

0124 01:13:35:16 01:13:37:23

This is my wife...

0125 01:13:38:00 01:13:40:13

That's all.

What?

0126 01:13:46:22 01:13:50:20

How did you paint this,

did someone take a photo of you?

0127 01:13:50:22 01:13:56:10

No. I just stand, for hours

I kept on looking in the mirror.

0128 01:13:56:12 01:14:00:08

How is it that you're anonymous?

0129 01:14:00:10 01:14:04:10

The desire just to paint arose

in me at a relatively late age

0130 01:14:04:12 01:14:08:20

and so I built my life in such

a manner that I could just paint.

0131 01:14:08:24 01:14:12:03

My army service was like this:

because of 1967 war.

0132 01:14:12:05 01:14:17:16

I couldn't quit the service, and then

another war and a new plane arrived,

0133 01:14:17:18 01:14:20:10

It was difficult

to leave the service.

0134 01:14:20:15 01:14:24:08

I was born in such

a human environment,

0135 01:14:24:10 01:14:29:09

that in a manner, screwed

you, because you grew up

0136 01:14:29:17 01:14:35:01

knowing that there's a job to be

done and someone has to do it.

0137 01:14:35:03 01:14:38:10

That's it. And this is the price.

This is the price...

0138 01:15:12:18 01:15:17:14

Uri, has the meaning of bravery

changed over the years?

0139 01:15:17:16 01:15:22:11

I don't refer to myself

in terms of bravery.

0140 01:15:22:13 01:15:26:22

Every time I'm asked...

but the question is not:

0141 01:15:26:24 01:15:30:23

if to attack or not, if to draw

away from 8 Mig's or not to.

0142 01:15:30:04 01:15:34:19

The question is what kind

of person do you want to be

0143 01:15:34:21 01:15:39:02

and the answers

are derived from that.

0144 01:15:39:04 01:15:44:16

Take that small book by SunTzu,

The Art of War, from 500BC,

0145 01:15:44:18 01:15:49:00

together with Confucius and

Buddha who were in the East.

0146 01:15:49:02 01:15:53:00

If you disregard weapons,

then it's the same,

0147 01:15:53:02 01:15:57:01

because you're

speaking about a human being.

0148 01:15:57:03 01:16:01:00

Historically speaking, we are...

but a blink of the eye,

0149 01:16:01:02 01:16:04:19

but character wise,

nothing's changed.

0150 01:16:07:09 01:16:11:09

Hope you have a pleasant Saturday.

-Thanks, it's my last Saturday here.

0151 01:16:13:20 01:16:17:20

I hope there'll be a few calls.

-Something to dig the teeth into.

0152 01:16:17:22 01:16:19:17

Briefing!

0153 01:16:20:12 01:16:24:15

Early Sunday morning,

a Galaxy will land here,

0154 01:16:24:17 01:16:28:18

and the on-call duty

becomes a different one...

0155 01:16:30:02 01:16:35:04

You'll be sprung into action during

the day and after the sun goes down.

0156 01:16:35:06 01:16:39:08

It has to be done

till the take-off runway.

0157 01:16:39:10 01:16:43:20

Sir, are you with me? -Yes. -He's

thinking about something else now.

0158 01:16:43:22 01:16:46:01

That's all.

0159 01:16:50:04 01:16:54:17

Is there something new there? -Does

not look like a war will break out.

0160 01:17:00:01 01:17:04:09

Grandad! -Hello, sweetie, do I know

you from somewhere? -Yes.

0161 01:17:04:11 01:17:07:04

Do I know you?

Give me your hand.

0162 01:17:07:07 01:17:10:07

Do you want to wear my hat?

-Helmet.

0163 01:17:10:23 01:17:13:03

Do you want my hat, Chen?

0164 01:17:16:10 01:17:18:11

What do you think?

-Grandad.

0165 01:17:18:13 01:17:21:03

Would you like

to sit in an F-16?

0166 01:17:21:05 01:17:26:01

Come on, sweetie. -To this?

-Yes, this is an F-16.

0167 01:17:26:03 01:17:29:06

You see? From here the

air goes into the engine.

0168 01:17:29:09 01:17:34:15

What's this? -A missile.

A missile the plane fires.

0169 01:17:34:17 01:17:41:09

Yes! Because it's a fighter plane.

-Right. It's a fighter plane.

0170 01:17:41:11 01:17:42:18

Come here and see this.

0171 01:17:42:20 01:17:46:06

I showed you from where

the air goes in, right? -Yes.

0172 01:17:46:10 01:17:51:03

The air goes in and the plane moves

forward. How does it move forward?

0173 01:17:51:06 01:17:56:05

It lets the air out at very high

speed. -From here. -That's right.

0174 01:17:56:07 01:17:58:17

It goes through the engine.

0175 01:17:58:19 01:18:02:17

Now, let's climb into the plane.

Come and see this.

0176 01:18:03:15 01:18:06:17

Climb the ladder.

0177 01:18:06:20 01:18:09:24

Don't be afraid.

Put your hand here.

0178 01:18:13:16 01:18:15:10

Okay?

0179 01:18:15:16 01:18:20:16

That's it... Hold here, with

both hands. Now, sit down.

0180 01:18:21:01 01:18:22:19

This is the plane.

0181 01:18:23:01 01:18:24:13

Shiri!

0182 01:18:24:15 01:18:26:04

Wave to mummy.

0183 01:18:26:06 01:18:28:02

Hi!

0184 01:18:28:07 01:18:32:04

This plane's on call.

If planes come to our borders,

0185 01:18:32:06 01:18:37:07

then someone has to make sure these

planes don't enter the country, right?

0186 01:18:37:09 01:18:40:17

so we take off in this, and we...

0187 01:18:40:19 01:18:43:03

run them off.

0188 01:18:43:06 01:18:45:07

That's all.

0189 01:18:45:09 01:18:47:18

Wave to me.

0190 01:18:51:20 01:18:53:13

I understood. -Great.

0191 01:18:55:17 01:19:02:05

I have to admit about myself,

and not too gladly, to the fact that...

0192 01:19:02:15 01:19:06:16

I flourish in wars.

It's not very nice to say this...

0193 01:19:06:18 01:19:10:07

and I discovered that

I'm not alone in this.

0194 01:19:10:09 01:19:14:09

I've met people who have

said the exact same thing:

0195 01:19:14:11 01:19:19:11

I show a certain extent of

indifference in dangerous situations.

0196 01:19:19:13 01:19:23:15

Level headedness. -When a missile

goes off next to you, and another,

0197 01:19:23:17 01:19:28:15

and another, this has never left

it's mark on me in the sense that

0198 01:19:28:17 01:19:33:17

this distance is a dangerous one,

this is a dangerous vocation

0199 01:19:33:19 01:19:36:19

and you have to be careful

because it can kill you.

0200 01:19:36:21 01:19:42:00

This never arose, and the vocation

is such that there's this remoteness,

0201 01:19:42:02 01:19:44:17

a certain remoteness from

the terror you're creating,

0202 01:19:44:19 01:19:46:09

a real terror.

0203 01:19:46:11 01:19:50:11

You're discharging bombs

with great powers of destruction

0204 01:19:50:13 01:19:53:05

and this is something terrible.

0205 01:19:54:03 01:19:57:10

Its also beautiful.

There's beauty in this power.

0206 01:19:58:20 01:20:03:05

But the bottom line is you

see everything as a target.

0207 01:20:03:10 01:20:04:22

A target...

0208 01:20:10:05 01:20:13:09

In the past one would die at 75.

0209 01:20:13:20 01:20:17:01

I heard... Actually I read

in the paper that...

0210 01:20:52:17 01:20:54:12

Drive!

0211 01:22:21:21 01:22:26:13

There was a bombing raid planned

on a certain Eqyptian city,

0212 01:22:26:15 01:22:30:10

a single plane, sent to bomb

a very specific target

0213 01:22:30:12 01:22:32:12

and I identified the target.

0214 01:22:32:14 01:22:36:19

It was nighttime,

and there is a possibility...

0215 01:22:36:21 01:22:40:06

even though they defined the

importance of the target.

0216 01:22:40:08 01:22:44:06

It's a city,

and I hit the target.

0217 01:22:44:08 01:22:50:07

In that case I have

a fear to some extent

0218 01:22:50:09 01:22:55:09

that... there's a possibility that

the info the intelligence gathered

0219 01:22:55:11 01:23:00:21

is not accurate enough,

then I did indeed attack civilians,

0220 01:23:00:23 01:23:04:23

but I was told that

this was not the case.

0221 01:23:18:02 01:23:24:07

I really hope that the fact that

you take a machine like this,

0222 01:23:24:20 01:23:29:12

with the power to destroy,

will not develop in you this urge,

0223 01:23:29:23 01:23:34:00

but will achieve the opposite: you'll

understand how very small you are.

0224 01:23:34:02 01:23:41:01

How you, as a subject, are small...

in the world,

0225 01:23:41:03 01:23:46:14

and that it not intoxicate you,

not for having downed a plane,

0226 01:23:46:16 01:23:51:14

and I'm telling you, I've downed a

certain number of MIG fighter planes

0227 01:23:51:16 01:23:55:16

and there's a tradition of a low

flyovers afterwards,

0228 01:23:55:18 01:23:58:22

but I've never performed this.

0229 01:23:58:24 01:24:01:24

You turn the plane a full turn.

0230 01:24:02:01 01:24:04:12

I would say, that in fact...

0231 01:24:04:14 01:24:09:14

I'm nearly in tears

because of this thing.

0232 01:24:10:23 01:24:14:16

I would say this was...

0233 01:24:18:21 01:24:21:13

let's put it this way...

0234 01:24:23:00 01:24:26:08

a salute to the...

0235 01:24:27:09 01:24:31:10

person defeated.

Something like that, I think.

0236 01:24:32:03 01:24:36:19

This I did do. I downed him

and that was the end of it.

0237 01:24:36:21 01:24:40:21

Some form of respect

for the opponent.

0238 01:24:50:04 01:24:54:05

I'm late. -You lost some weight.

What shall we do? -Yes...

0239 01:24:55:01 01:24:57:19

How are you? -What's happening?

0240 01:25:02:23 01:25:05:12

Look, this is the first one.

0241 01:25:08:16 01:25:13:12

Look at this. -Wow!

I'm overwhelmed to see this.

0242 01:25:13:23 01:25:15:24

Look...

0243 01:25:17:15 01:25:19:21

See the look in the eyes?

0244 01:25:29:18 01:25:33:06

Where's the sheet? Over there...

0245 01:25:34:03 01:25:38:13

Put your arms... the arms are

"doing" something to the face,

0246 01:25:38:19 01:25:41:03

some form of tension.

0247 01:25:43:21 01:25:46:10

I need the top part only.

0248 01:25:51:11 01:25:56:00

You'll stand with your body

turned in this direction. That's it!

0249 01:25:57:24 01:26:01:13

I have to capture

something that's not...

0250 01:26:29:11 01:26:34:18

I have to put my arms down

for a while. -Put them down.

0251 01:26:36:11 01:26:40:08

I think I can make do

with this for the moment.

0252 01:26:40:15 01:26:42:08

Look at this...

0253 01:26:44:12 01:26:48:22

Wow! -But this is thick canvas.

-And in pencil, which is more...

0254 01:26:49:16 01:26:51:23

It's half a year's work.

0255 01:26:52:11 01:26:55:02

There were times

when I worked till 3am.

0256 01:26:56:12 01:27:02:13

That's it, it's some form of

farewell. -It's very touching.

0257 01:27:04:18 01:27:08:19

What's this magazine?

Something to do with art?

0258 01:27:08:21 01:27:12:00

It's you, Uri! I don't believe it!

It's you.

0259 01:27:12:10 01:27:14:06

I didn't recognize you.

0260 01:27:14:10 01:27:16:14

Uri Gil!

0261 01:27:17:00 01:27:22:00

The Art of Flying... What a sentence,

"the art of flying"... -Yes...

0262 01:27:22:05 01:27:26:17

When's this from? I haven't seen

this. -It's a few months old.

0263 01:27:26:19 01:27:29:13

A pilot and an artist?

-Yes, all in one.

0264 01:27:30:01 01:27:33:04

I'm even sitting in the plane.

-They took the picture of you?

0265 01:27:33:06 01:27:39:03

It's 41 years of flying planes,

it's my second nature. -41 years!

0266 01:27:39:05 01:27:43:16

What a beautiful photograph!

I love this sentence. -Which one?

0267 01:27:43:19 01:27:47:21

"I consider fear and courage

as different types of emotions"

0268 01:27:47:24 01:27:51:22

That's true. -"Fear is an

ambition for physical survival,

0269 01:27:52:13 01:27:55:15

"courage is an ambition

for spiritual survival."

0270 01:27:55:18 01:27:59:21

"For a military man,

a situation in which he

0271 01:27:59:23 01:28:03:24

"endangers his life

is part of that life".

0272 01:28:05:10 01:28:10:19

What did Bob Marley sing?

"My fear is my only courage".

0273 01:28:10:21 01:28:13:05

It's fantastic. Amazing.

0274 01:28:18:20 01:28:20:13

How are you?

0275 01:28:20:19 01:28:24:16

Do I get to see the painting now?

- Let's see it.

0276 01:28:24:18 01:28:29:16

I showed her the magazine in which

they wrote about me to a woman...

0277 01:28:29:18 01:28:33:03

It probably has something

in the back. -There's a lot.

0278 01:28:37:12 01:28:40:14

Look at

the sheer size of it.

0279 01:28:40:16 01:28:43:05

I say...

0280 01:28:44:16 01:28:48:16

Do you see yourself? -It's great.

-Everyone who saw it said:

0281 01:28:48:14 01:28:52:12

"what a handsome guy!"

0282 01:28:54:09 01:28:59:22

If you join this line, you get

a "V" shape, you see this? -Yes.

0283 01:29:01:04 01:29:05:04

which is more or less...

0284 01:29:06:10 01:29:09:08

I take my hat off

0285 01:29:09:10 01:29:12:21

to the Battle for Britain, where it

was thought up.

0286 01:29:12:23 01:29:15:15

The "V" sign by Churchill.

0287 01:29:16:21 01:29:20:21

"Never was so much owed

by so many to so few".

0288 01:29:20:23 01:29:23:11

I think about the few,

0289 01:29:23:13 01:29:27:19

and from a perspective of few

years on, the exact contrary,

0290 01:29:27:21 01:29:32:13

what part do our pilots that refused

to bomb cities play in those "few"?

0291 01:29:32:15 01:29:38:15

As private people, they did something

they were willing to pay a price for.

0292 01:29:38:19 01:29:44:22

They approached me, but I didn't

join them. -Why didn't you?

0293 01:29:44:24 01:29:48:16

Because I oppose insubordination.

-I oppose insubordination.

0294 01:29:48:18 01:29:54:03

There's no point where you see

yourself agreeing to insubordination?