Peace Beyond Justice
Transcription of Documentary Film
English:
Jean-Paul Kimonyo – Political Scientist & Researcher
Domitilla Mukantaganzwa – Executive Secretary, National Service of Gacaca Courts
Christine Umutoni – Head of Justice, Gender and HIV/AIDS, U.N.D.P
Tharcisse Karugarama – Rwandan Minister of Justice
French:
Celestin Kanimba Misago – Director – Rwandan Museum of History
Jean-Paul Mugiraneza – Political Scientist, IRDP
Ambassador Denis Polisi – Deputy Speaker, Chamber of Deputies, Rwanda
Kinyarwanda:
Sister Marie Medard – Roman Catholic Nun
Emmanuel Murangira – Genocide Survivor – Murambi
Pierre Habiyakare – Inyangamugayo – President of Gacaca Court of Munazi – Musenyi Sector
Jean Baptiste Mbaraga – Former Prisoner
Agathe Ingabire – Trauma Counsellor
Akimana Furaha / University Student – Journalism
Venante Nzabirinda / Prisoner
Alphonse Hitiyaremye – Deputy Prosecutor General
Venantie Mukamunana – Survivor of Genocide
00.05 [Text in] During 100 days between April and August 1994, 1,050,000 people were killed in a Genocide in Rwanda
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00:15 [Text in] This followed a history of violent conflict leading back to independence from Belgium in 1962
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00:22 [text in] In 1994, members of the majority Hutu people were mobilized to murder the minority Tutsi population, and any Hutus who opposed the Genocide
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00:31 [text in] The society was crippled
00:34 [text in] The justice system was destroyed
00:38 [text in] Hundreds of thousands were accused of genocide crimes
00:40 [text in] Tens of thousands remain in prison
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00:49 [text in] A system of community justice was established in Rwanda to judge Genocide crimes
00:53 [text in] These are the Gacaca Courts
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01:03 Semuzima….
01:06 …we killed him
01:13 Kaje….hacked at his back with a machete
01;20 …and so did I
00:30 I attended Gacaca.
01:33 To see if the justice we were promised by the government is really there.
01:38 We faced our killers
01:42 Gacaca will become our history
01:55 [text in] Kibumbwe Sector, Rwanda
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02:20 [text in] Gacaca Court of Kibumbwe
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02:42 I am also a killer like others….
02:49 I ask for forgiveness from the Republic of Rwanda
02:53 and from all Rwandans….
02;57 I would like to come back and live peacefully with them.
03:09 [text in] Gacaca Court of Kibumbwe
03:12 [text in] Judges,
03:13 [text in] The Accused[Testifying]
03:16 [text in] The Accused - Prisoners
03:19 [text in] Non-Prisoners
03:22 [text in] Witnesses
03:26 [text in] The People of Kibumbwe
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03:35 [text in] PEACE BEYOND JUSTICE
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03:46 [text in] Rwanda 2007
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03:38 [text in] Murambi School 50,000 people killed 4 survivors
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04:12 My name is Emmanuel Murangira
04:16 First we went to the Catholic Church at Gikongoro…..
04;21 but we were told by the leaders to come here to Murambi.
04:26 They told us to come here to Murambi,
04:32 and that we would be safe in this place.
04:38 And they told us they would supply us with food and water…..
04:43 but it never happened that way.
04:48 All my family members were massacred here.
04:53 I survived alone.
04:58 We have seen terrible things here….
05:04 terrible things.
05:28 [text in – typed continuous] Each room, of each school building is filled with the preserved bodies of those who died here
05:32 [text in] They are mostly children.
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05:39 [text in] A HISTORY OF CONFLICT
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05:48 I am very old….I am 93 years old.
05:54 Even if I am old, I am intelligent enough to help people…
06:00 …even when they started killing people.
06:06 A Hutu who used to have many cows, was called a Tutsi.
06:10 A Tutsi who became poor, was called a Hutu
06:16 All people are the same.
06:17 Our Grandmother and Grandfather are the same.
06:32 The question of identity in Rwanda is quite difficult and complex….
06:35 Some people say that Hutu and Tutsi are the same –
06:36 [title] Jean-Paul Kimonyo – Political Scientist & Researcher
06:39 that it is just a question of …..social and economic questions.
06:43 I don’t really agree with that.
06:45 And new findings now…..give us a more clear picture
06:50 2000 years ago…
06:51 In this region…there were groups coming from the East, North East….
06:55 …from the centre of Africa….mainly.
07:00 And some groups were here, also.
07:03 Some were, let’s say, related to….Somalis.
07:05 What you call, Kushitics.
07:08 Others were, let’s say, Bantu coming from Central Africa
07:11 And others were Nilotic, coming from Uganda……
07:15 maybe Sudan, how we call it today.
07:20 And these different groups met here.
07:22 These groups which came here formed another group, which is Rwandan society.
07:28 They shared something very important: Culture.
07:33 All of them, ‘ethnically’ became Bantus.
07: 35 meaning that all Rwandans speak the same language,
07:40 They have the same kind of religion
07:42 They lived on the same territories.
07:44 There is a certain differentiation, a very ancient differentiation that still exists
07:50 At the same time, there is this mix – profound mix
07:54 And there is a very intimate sharing of culture
08:01 The colonialists, in the beginning, called them 3 different races,
08:04 and then they called them castes, and finally ethnicities.
08:09 But in reality, these groups lived together.
08:11 [title] Celestin Kanimba Misago – Director – Rwandan Museum of History
08:17 Often, there is history as it is, and history as it is written in books,
08:26 The colonial powers manipulated this question of identity
08:30 [title] Jean-Paul Kimonyo – Political Scientist & Researcher
08:30 It’s them who came here and said that Tutsi were superior, Hutu were inferior….
08:35 The colonial power, and the church, were very close to the traditional elite –
08:42 - Chiefs and Mwami [Tutsi Leaders]
08:43 And then they shifted completely alliances.
08:45 The Belgians and the Church started to back the Hutus
08:50 And also manipulate them
08:52 And they manipulated them on the basis of identity.
08:55 [Text in] In 1962, Rwanda gained independence from Belgium. The new Parmehutu government took control of the country
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09:08 People were taught to kill since 1959,
09:16 it’s not easy to change their minds.
09:25 Since that time, they knew that killing a Tutsi is not a problem.
09:30 [title] Jean-Paul Kimonyo – Political Scientist & Researcher
09:30 Since 1959, the new Hutu leadership used the Tutsis as a scapegoat
09:39 Meaning that each time the regime had a problem, they came up with this idea that
09:45 “The Tutsis are the ones who are threatening you, you have to get rid of Tutsis”
09:51 And they start, through a mechanism of manipulation….
09:56 of propaganda – but a very powerful one –
09:59 They start to make people forget about how people used to live together.
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10:09 The Genocide had been carried out through mass popular participation
10:15 The Genocide of 1994 was a kind of conclusion…..
10:19 of a trend that started in 1959.
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10:26 [title in] ORIGINS OF GACACA JUSTICE
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10:34 From the times of our ancestors, Gacaca has been used.
10:39 Meaning that if there was a conflict within the family, or a problem in the family
10:40 [title] Sister Marie Medard – Roman Catholic Nun
10:46 they would take it to Gacaca.
10:49 They could solve the problem, reconcile the families,
10:53 and the families could get back together.
10:55 Work together, live together.
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11:04 The Gacaca of old was one of the first ever social institutions
11:10 [title] Celestin Kanimba Misago – Director – Rwandan Museum of History
11:10 A social organization, which existed in the past,
11:14 and in times when there were conflicts
11:16 they tried to resolve these problems within the family
11:21 or within the village themselves.
11:27 and Gacaca signifies people coming together,
11:30 and discussing,
11:33 ….the elders always resolve the conflicts
11:40 The legal pressures on the justice system here
11:44 [title] – Tharcisse Karugarama – Rwandan Minister of Justice
11:44 immediately after 1994 were immense
11:48 and they came from different corners,
11:52 different stake holders in the system
11:55 First you had massive arrests across the country
12:00 So you had, prisons all over the country overfilled with people
12:05 and there was a cry for justice [TEXT IN] REMERA PRISON, KIGALI
12:10 [text in] Number of Judges in Rwanda…….Before 1994
12:16 [text in] After 1994
12:20 [text in] Number of Prosecutors before 1994
12:23 After 1994
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12:29 [text in] Number of Judicial Support Staff Before 1994
12:29 There was no personnel
12:33 [text in] November 1994
12:33 No prosecutors, no judges to handle the cases
12:38 So the country started by
12:40 reconstructing itself, by reconstructing the judicial sector
12:44 the investigative capacity, the prosecutive capacity
12:49 and the adjucative capacity, and the courts
12:52 All that had to be constructed afresh
12:55 the first trials took place in the Eastern Region, in December 1996
13:01 In the meantime, we found that
13:05 the trials of the genocide criminals were very slow.
13:10 [title] – Alphonse Hitiyaremye – Deputy Prosecutor General
13:10 In the beginning we had more than 120 000 prisoners detained
13:17 But I can tell you that after 5 years, using the Classical justice system
13;26 we had only tried slightly more than 6000 cases…
13:31 [title] Ambassador Denis Polisi – Deputy Speaker, Chamber of Deputies, Rwanda
13:31 There were 132 000 people in prison suspected on committing genocide
13:40 We realized that to judge all these people…..
13:45 would take us around 300 years
13:49 Therefore we had to find another formula…
13:55 that could give justice in a suitable time.
14:00 [title] – Tharcisse Karugarama – Rwandan Minister of Justice
14:00 The courts as we know them, as we inherited from our western friends and colonizers
14:07 was not adequate, it was not moving
14:11 and it was creating despondency
14:14 It soon became very obvious that these pressures were too much
14:18 So the idea came from there that we have to look for another system,
14:27 [title] – Domitilla Mukantaganzwa – Executive Secretary, National Service of Gacaca Courts
14:27 A system which can combine among its mission
14:30 justice and reconciliation
14:32 because, the analysis of how the genocide has been
14:38 committed, we found that people have killed their family members
14:43 their neighbours, their children, their mothers, and sometimes their fathers
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