Roger:



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INIGO FILMS

“STAR MEN”

PICTURE LOCK OUTPUT

2015

TRT 86:40  NDF 23:98

 

 

01:00:15:00

Roger:

I’m 76 and I’m aware that I will not live forever and um… there are many things that I should still like to do. I’d like to follow my stars a lot longer than I have done already. Maybe I shall last ah, a little time yet. The telescope that I now use – it was bought from a re-equipment grant, it was just after the end of the Second World War. Nobody shows any interest in the telescope at all, so I could use it whenever I liked or whenever the weather permitted. I set the telescope myself and crank the dome around to the right place single-handed.

I’ve kept the Cambridge Observatory on the map as an active astronomical observatory for ages largely by my own efforts.

It’s for practical purposes my own telescope.

 

01:01:39:04

Donald:

Some people think we invent mathematics. I think mathematics is… is there and we discover mathematics. It’s there to be discovered. I think about the things that astronomers see and I’m very interested in giving explanations to what is going on. You have this feeling for how things work,  you then have to show that indeed they would work that way by making sure that the numbers actually work out correctly. Creativity is a lot of this.

 

01:02:32:04

Donald:

People have reunions to see what’s happened to those young, sprightly people and see how they’ve decayed. And uh… they’ve often become more interesting. Roger I see every day, but I don’t see Wal all that much and I see Nick very little so I look forward to seeing them. We shared this… this period of at least a year together and it was quite a formative year for all of us.  Once you’ve done things like this you know people like that for life. I just thought it would be fun on the 50th anniversary to see my friends.

 

STAR MEN

 

LOS ANGELES INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT

 

01:03:41:03

Alison (Narration):

When I was a young girl, I began to lie awake under the night sky and think about what was out there. I felt I had friends among the stars. When the astronomer Donald Lynden-Bell told me about his reunion with Roger Griffin and the others they spent a year with in California, I asked if I could go with them.

 

01:04:05:21

Alison:

Finally! Are you exhausted?

 

Donald:

Pretty exhausted, but okay. Okay.

 

Alison:

Oh! Hi, Roger.

 

Roger:
Hello.

 

Alison:

Do you want a hug? You’re okay?

 

Roger:

We just about made it.

 

Donald:

Good. Okay. Excellent.

 

Alison:

I’m glad to see you.

 

Donald:

I am, too.

 

01:04:23:17

Alison (Narration):

Fifty years ago, they began research careers here and took roadtrips together. And now they’re taking an anniversary trip. They became superstars in astronomy - leaders in their fields: Roger, the instrument-maker; Donald, the theoretician; Nick, the visionary and Wal, the observer. Together, they represent the most productive period astronomy has ever had, making discoveries with the power to change the way humanity sees itself.

 

We’re heading to Pasadena, northeast of L.A. In 1960, these astronomers had just graduated with PhDs and were recruited to work here. Roger and Donald worked at the California Institute of Technology – Caltech. This is where they used to live.

 

 

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Roger:

A high-class gentleman’s club.

 

Donald:

Professor Lynden-Bell and Professor Griffin.

 

Clerk:

Welcome.

 

Donald:

Thank you very much.

 

01:06:04:20

Donald:

Who is this distinguished man sitting at the table?

Hello, Nick. Great to see you.

 

 

Roger:

Hi, there.

 

Alison (Narration):

Nick Woolf flew in from Tucson this morning. He’s retired from the University of Arizona.

 

 

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01:06:20:14

Nick:

50 years. Wow, what does this 50 years mean? If you ask what is most important of the reunion, it is that it makes… It pulls together the past and asks you to make sense of it.

 

Alison:

Did you bring that flag?

 

Roger:

I’ve got the flag with me now.

 

Nick:

Oh, yes!

 

Donald:

Great!

 

 

Roger:

You can be reunited with it.

 

01:06:48:00

Donald:

Get it the right way up, Roger.

 

Roger:

After I got to America and I discovered how um… keen Americans are on their flag, I thought I should have our flag and I bought it by post from England.

 

 

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Donald:

Roger’s very proud of being British. He felt strongly that you should proclaim that you’re English. Roger would say, “We must put the flag up. Yes.” And then we’d hold it up for him and somebody would take the photograph. That… That certainly occurred in many places.

 

01:07:31:10

Alison (Narration):

The last to arrive is Wal Sargeant. Wal works here at Caltech and lives in Pasadena.

 

 

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Nick:

Up United!

 

Wal:

Is it the same flag?

 

Donald:

Yes.

 

Wal:

Oh, amazing. Good to see you. Jolly good.

 

01:07:57:01

Alison (Narration):

The four men got their degrees in Britain at a time when there weren’t many jobs for astronomers, but rocket scientists in the Soviet Union changed everything. In 1957, those scientists beat the U.S. into space with Sputnik. The evidence of superior technology shocked American experts, who accelerated the U.S. space program and started hiring astronomers.

 

California offered great research institutions, large salaries and the two best telescopes in the world.

 

 

 

01:08:47:20

Nick:

Britain produced scientists, but there was nowhere for them to go. Anywhere where the climate was good and there were big telescopes was fine with me.

 

Donald:

There were post-doctoral fellowships available to have young researchers work in the United States. That was clearly the centre of astronomy. It was a quite unique place – Caltech. There were lots of people from other places: Canadians and there were Swiss and there were Dutchmen… It made it easier for people who were non-American to feel part of it.

 

01:09:27:08

Alison (Narration):

At Caltech, the British scientists gravitated toward one another.

 

 

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Roger:

We were already a ready-made group. It wasn’t that we were so deliberately cliquey, but we… we… we… we did immediately find that we had something in common.

 

Alison (Narration):

There was one more person in the old group – John Hazelhurst. He was at university with Nick and Wal and they referred to him by a nickname.

 

Donald:  Bottle. He used to wear a bottle-green suit and so he was called Bottle.

 

Nick:  Bottle was very quiet. Always quiet and uh… cheerful, but he didn’t… he just didn’t talk very much.

 

Wal:  Let’s go. I’ll get my stuff.

 

01:10:15:00

Alison (Narration):

Bottle slipped a disc 6 months before the reunion and couldn’t join us.

 

Our first destination is the Mt. Wilson Observatory, a 26 mile drive above Pasadena.

 

Roger:

Do you want to start at the beginning of the trip? That’s not very long, actually, you see.  You won’t have to suffer very much. Dear Mum and Alan if he’s there. Allan being my brother. Yesterday morning, we – brackets  (Donald Bell, “Bottle” -  Hazelhurst, Wal Sargent, Nick Woolf and I) – packed vast belongings into boot of car, piled in and set off about 1pm. It was good to leave the smog behind. Car goes very well. I keep the speed in the low 70s most of the time, but to pass lorries doing 60 it is necessary to accelerate and we have twice touched 90 on such occasions. The old bus sure can move. The tires are good, so you needn’t worry. To be continued. With love from Roger.

 

 

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Alison (Narration):

The roadtrips were Roger’s idea.

 

01:11:27:10

Roger:

I bought a car second hand. A 200 dollar car and it had well over 100,000 miles on the… on the clock when I bought it.

 

Donald:

We went like the wind. It had a sort of corner-to-corner roll at about 85, but we went through that and out beyond that and uh… it did very well.

 

Roger:

The route wasn’t planned. We went where we felt like from day to day.

 

01:11:55:10

Donald:

It was dreamed up to start with certainly as a way of visiting all the observatories in the southwest, but they were in marvellous country and it was a way of seeing these wonderful sights on the way.

 

Wal:

I was very interested to come to a different country and particlarly one with such a varied landscape:  the sense of freedom; the escaping from ordinary life, which somebody from the working classes was desperate to do. . .

 

 

Donald:

We had all these people crammed in the back like this and somebody had to ride on the middle one, if you remember, and we used to exchange places.

 

Wal:

Well I… I always put this down to the fact that you’d been to a public school.

 

Donald:

That’s right.

 

Wal:

Where the upper classes is taught to tolerate discomfort.

 

Donald:

That’s correct.

 

Wal:

So that they can then use this as an excuse to make the lower classes uncomfortable.

 

Roger:

Oh, Wal. I amazed you’ve still got a chip on your shoulder about school.

 

01:13:14:19

Alison (Narration):

Isaac Newton never saw a mountain, but he knew it would be the best place to put a telescope. The first mountaintop observatories were built in California. Mt Wilson Observatory was built by the astronomer George Ellery Hale. Hale founded Caltech, The Astrophysical Journal and with financing from philanthropists like Andrew Carnegie, built the four largest telescopes in the world.

 

01:13:46:01

Donald:

He was both an excellent astronomer and a great entrepreneur and he knew how to get money out of millionaires. Hale had a great saying: Make no small plans. He believed in making big plans.

 

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Alison (Narration):

The telescope was retired in 1985. It was too close to L.A. and light pollution and smog ruined the observing.

 

Donald:

There’s the grand old beast.

 

01:14:36:10

Alison (Narration):

The visit is a homecoming for Roger, who began observing here 50 years ago and returned often until the telescope was retired.

 

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Roger:

It’s nostalgic, of course. I last observed with it in 1985. The uh… demand for observing time on it declined dramatically and um… my wife and I took advantage of that. We had an enormous amount of the time on the telescope during the last year.

 

While we’re here we could look in this… this room. Can, can…? Can lights be put on around here?

 

Man:

Uh… We… These lights have been… have burned out. I’m sorry, Roger.

 

 

 

 

 

01:15:20:04

Roger:

I’m sorry to see the… the way the telescope is not properly used anymore. Although it looks splendidly old-fashioned, the fact is it’s a very effective telescope and it’s a pity to see it being, as it were, demeaned. 

 

Alison (Narration):

Roger spent most of his time in the room that houses the telescope’s spectrograph.

 

Roger:

What I actually did here was I… I sat on a chair here and I looked in an eyepiece that was here and guided the telescope. And um… I took photographs of spectra of stars.

 

01:16:05:18

Alison (Narration):

When astronomers pass light through a prism and photograph it, they can analyze its spectrum and see what a star is made of. Every element has its own signature.

 

Roger:

It was supposed at one time long ago that we’d never know anything about what the stars were really like because we had no sample of them that we could actually touch, but with the discovery of uh… spectroscopy, it suddenly became possible to discover in unbelievable detail what remote objects were actually like.

 

01:16:42:00

Alison (Narration):

Astronomers ever since have been learning to glean more information from light.

Roger used spectra to measure the velocities of stars moving toward and away from us. The highlight of his career was his development of a spectrometer, that automated the process, making it hundreds of times faster and more accurate. Planet hunters adopted his method to find planets orbiting other stars.

 

Roger:

The method was strongly resisted by the astronomical establishment at the time. … People  who’d spent their lives measuring stellar radio velocities by the old method – they couldn’t bear to hear that there was a young man in Cambridge who could measure them so much better and quicker and more accurately. It took about 10 years to overcome the resistance, but eventually the method was adopted around the world.

 

Alison (Narration):

Roger is scrupulous about stars. He made an entire atlas mapping the light of just one star.

 

 

 

 

01:17:45:05

Roger:

This is the Arcturus Photometric Atlas, showing the intensity of light in the spectrum of Arcturus. It has a few pages of introductions and even a picture or two. And then the rest of it is all graphs like this. Hundreds of pages of tracings and uh… they all represent the spectrum of this one star. Big job. The graph paper was made by a little man in the uh… printer’s office…who had a ruler and a pen and uh… every fifth line is uh… stronger than the other lines, you know. And every tenth line is stronger still. Must be a terrible job to draw graph paper like that.

 

 

 

01:18:56:00

Alison (Narration):

George Ellery Hale’s telescope is old now, but it made possible the 20th century’s two most profound discoveries about the nature of the universe. People used to think our Milky Way galaxy was the universe, but Edwin Hubble used the new telescope on Mt Wilson to resolve stars in what looked like clouds and calculate how far away they were. He showed they were outside this galaxy and what was thought could be dense clouds of gas were themselves galaxies made up of billions of stars. Hubble drew the curtains back and revealed the immensity of space humanity was a part of.

 

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01:19:48:09

Nick:

People had been amazed already at the understanding of how big the Milky Way was and then Hubble came along and suddenly showed that the universe was way, way bigger than that. The consequences were to steadily diminish what humans were. Everybody wanted to believe that they were much, much more important than that.

 

Alison (Narration):

Hubble went further. He used his data to prove that the universe was expanding. An expanding universe suggested a dynamic universe – a universe that was different in the past than it is now.

 

Nick:

It really created modern astrophysics, but it went back to Darwin. Darwin gave the impetus to see things in a context of how they developed over time and that has been the crucial thing that has allowed astronomy to move ahead. Astronomy would make sense when all the pieces were put together into a pattern. The expansion of the universe, the birth and growth of galaxies, of stars being formed and producing heavy elements… that material going into space forming new stars, new planets. It became an evolving universe and it suddenly all came together. We’d taken Darwin’s idea of evolution and applied it to everything.

 

01:21:45:02

Roger:

I wanted to be an astronomer from about the age of 6. I was born in Banstead in England.

It’s a village about 15 miles south of London. The War started when I was… when I was just 4. Bombs would fall during the night, you know and uh… and houses nearby would be demolished. Of course I had the impression that that sort of thing went on all the time. Nobody was allowed to show a light after night, so that the German bombers couldn’t see. The policemen or ARP wardens – that would be Air Raid Precaution wardens –would um… patrol and there’d be a knock on the front door if there was so much as a chink in the curtains. So there was no light pollution at all. From that time I knew I wanted to be an astronomer.

 

Wal:

Okay, we’re now in the Pauma Valley which has um… citrus – mainly orange orchards. Here are orange trees.

 

Donald:

Yes, over there.

 

Alison:

Oh, yeah.

 

01:23:03:10

Alison (Narration):

In America, they found a lifestyle and a landscape that inspired them.

 

Wal:

We all liked the countryside, the open air, the views. One of the attractions of astronomy is the excuse to go up mountains.

 

Alison:

Yeah.

 

01:23:25:00

Wal:

I was always drawn to things involving mountains. The fact that telescopes are on top of mountains with often beautiful views, spectacular scenery is one of the attractions, at least for me. And I came from an area of England in which the highest promontory was around 300 feet. I was born in a small village called Elsham in North Lincolnshire. My father was the gardener in a house which had servants. I was born in the gardener’s cottage, which came with the job. It didn’t have electricity or running water. There was a woman who was handicapped and my mother used to go and clean house for her and she would come… sometimes come back with books. Volumes of a thing called The Children’s Encyclopedia. And my brother thinks that instead of being paid the 10 shillings a week or whatever it was for doing the house cleaning, that my mother actually took the books as payment. My mother had an ambition to send my brother and me to Oxford, although she didn’t really know what Oxford was and so that was in the back of at least her mind. The books contained astronomical pictures. I started reading them and I learned quite a bit that I’d not learned at school. But I think the real expansion started in February 1951 when I was 16 years old. I heard some lectures on the BBC radio by Fred Hoyle, the prominent astronomer. He gave a series of 6 lectures which talked about the planets, the stars… that kind of thing.

 

01:25:17:19

Voice:

The Sun is enormously greater than the earth and all the other planets. It contains about 1000 times as much material as Jupiter, the largest planet and over 300,000 times as much as the Earth.

 

Wal:

This excited me considerably and particularly because Hoyle had a Yorkshire accent and England is a very class-ridden country. And for the first time, I realized that people with an accent like mine could do that kind of work.

 

Alison (Narration):

We’re at Mt Palomar, George Ellery Hale’s greatest telescope.

 

Wal:  Professor Lynden-Bell from Cambridge and…

 

Woman:  Nice to meet you.

 

Donald:  Hello.

 

Wal:  Professor Griffin from Cambridge.

 

Woman:  Nice to meet you.

 

Roger:  Pleased to meet you. How kind of you.

 

Wal:  And um… we were all together at… at Caltech in Pasadena in 19…

 

Roger:  50 years ago.

 

Wal:  In 1960. And that… And we’ve come back to experience what it was like to be young, sort of.

 

 

Man:  Not bad for a 1935 elevator, is it?

 

Donald:  That’s as old as we are.

 

 

Wal:  Hello. Good to see you.

 

Man:    Good to see you, sir.

 

01:26:27:05

Alison (Narration):

Wal worked here from the time he came to California. In 1997, he became director of Mt Palomar.

 


 

Roger: That’s a big telescope.

 

01:26:48:08

Alison (Narration):

Hale ordered a mirror 5 meters wide and it was the best telescope in the world for 45 years.

 

 

 

Wal:

The first time I saw it, it was an amazing experience. I came in and looked at all this and I thought, “God, how am I going to survive?” For several years, I was scared of it. I would come up here and there would be a slight pit in my stomach because I… I was worried that I… the science I was doing wouldn’t be good enough for such a grand machine. Okay! They’re going to move the telescope. You get in there by using the elevator over there, going up the side of the dome slit all the way to the top and then you clamber in to that uh… cage, the shiny thing, when the telescope’s pointing vertically. My longest time up there was 10 hours. You have gloves and we would sometimes… sometimes wear um… flying suits, war surplus flying suits that would plug into an electrical connection up there. Those of us who like astronomy would cheerfully do this for hours at a time and be as happy as pigs in shit.

 

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01:28:24:10

Alison (Narration):

Wal made a discovery confirming the Big Bang Theory, by observing the relative abundance of helium in these irregular, blue galaxies. With his observations of hydrogen in the intergalactic medium, he laid the foundation for an entire new field studying the evolution of large-scale structure in the universe.

 

 

Donald:

Wal is among the best of his generation in observational astronomy. He needs a big telescope because he couldn’t do it without the best, big telescopes around, but he’s extremely good at thinking of what is important and what will be important.

 

01:29:07:10

Wal:

Okay, guys. Come along. Yes. I was up here one afternoon looking at the weather – the prospects for the next night – and some tourists down below shouted up to me, “How did you get up there?” Meaning…

 

Roger:

How do we get up?

 

Wal:

Yes. By what means of ladders or… or elevators or whatever. And I replied, “I studied bloody hard for 15 years.”

 

Isn’t it amazing that we get paid to do this? It was wonderful.

 

Wal:

When I came here, I was supposed to be a theorist. And after a few weeks, some of the post-docs who were observers took me up to the mountain to see what it was like and I found this absolutely entrancing. I loved it. Sitting there in the dark, gently guiding the telescope and umm…. listening to music. The whole thing was very glamorous.

 

 

01:31:27:10

Wal:

Well I don’t know whether it’s a question of science and religion, but I found the notion that an all powerful god would interefere with the progress of the world if I said a prayer… I found that pretty silly. So I… I would certainly back off to the point where I might believe in a god who set things going but then left things to work themselves out.

 

Donald:

I pray sometimes. Not very often, but I pray. Um… I think the evidence is not very strong, but uh.. there we are. That’s uh... And I was brought up in this tradition and I love some of the tradition. I think it’s lovely. The idea that people should at least once in the week be taken out of themselves and made to think in a broader way and away from their local lives is actually rather important and to me I do that in church.

 

01:32:47:11

Nick:

Time only began at the instant that the universe was created, so you could say that God only came into existence at that point. But that then doesn’t deal with the fact that there has to be a before in a, in some sense. A – A prior.

 

Alison:

Do you think there’s a prior?

 

Nick:

Yes, I think in terms of… of all processes being caused. That’s being pretty Buddhist, where you don’t have to answer these questions. All you have to do is to believe in causality, but I don’t fit uh… the ordinary standards of Buddhism just like I don’t fit the ordinary standards of being either Christian or Jewish or Atheist.

 

01:33:45:00

Alison (Narration):

We’re in New Mexico on our way to an array of radio telescopes. It’s on a dry plateau 6,000 feet above sea level. The Very Large Array is a set of 27 antennas, each 25 metres in diameter mounted on 60 kilometres of railway track. Each dish weighs 200 tonnes. Astronomers spread them along the tracks to act as one dish 36 kilometres in diameter.

 

Donald excelled at explaining images radio observers produced.

 

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Donald:

It was the first new window on the universe. I mean, we’d been looking really in the uh… in the optical for hundreds of years and then the radio astronomy opened a totally new way of looking at the universe.

 

 

Alison (Narration):  The VLA was my stop on the roadtrip. I asked Donald and the others if we could come here. Photographs of it had captivated me in childhood. Astronomers began installing the dishes here when I was a kid, looking at the night sky with binoculars.

 

Astronomers mapped the radio sources in the sky and called them quasi stellar objects or quasars. The first one they measured was 10 million million times brighter than the sun.

 

Nick:

A quasar is a large black hole surrounded by infalling matter, some of which has been so heated in the process that it glows very, very bright and it outshines the rest of the galaxy in which it is in and it can be seen for incredible distances.

 

Donald:

Nothing actually comes out of a black hole. It has a very deep gravitational pull and therefore as things swirl around as they do in your bath when you pull the bath plug out, you get a swirling out and sometimes you get a great gurgling. That gurgling is stuff getting so hot that it gives out light.

 

01:36:27:10

Alison (Narration):

Donald had a unique insight that they were seeing discs of gas spinning around super massive black holes. He developed a theory that linked black holes and quasars to galaxy formation and concluded there was a black hole at the centre of every big galaxy, including our own.

 

Man:

I ask Maarten Schmidt and Donald Lynden-Bell to come forward to receive the first Kavli Prize in Astrophysics from His Royal highness...

 

01:36:57:15

Alison (Narration):

In 2008, Maarten Schmidt and Donald shared the first Kavli Prize in Astrophysics, recognizing the importance of their work 40 years earlier. The Kavli was created to honour achievements in fields that have emerged since the Nobel Prize.

 

Radio astronomers allowed us to see as far back in time as possible. Theorists had predicted the universe began with The Big Bang and that observers should be able to detect its faint radiation all around us.

 

Donald:

One of the discoveries was the microwave background radiation, originally just as a… a source of noise that could not be got rid of in radio telescopes. None of us really knew that that was going to lead to measuring the early part of the universe.

 

01:38:02:00

Alison (Narration):

Astronomers observed the cosmic background radiation and gave us a picture of the universe in its infancy. Its subtle variations in temperature and density will lead to vast concentrations of matter that will one day produce galaxies, stars and life.

 

01:38:38:10

Donald:

You know, I was always reasonably good at mathematics, but I wasn’t good at anything else because I couldn’t read or found reading very hard - most things involve reading.  And I think I was probably “dyslectic”. I always said to my parents that I would be a carpenter and that they didn’t need to read, but they didn’t agree with me. And so they plotted the number of words I read each night on a graph - and I understood graphs perfectly well -  So they plotted the number of words I read each night on a graph and I wasn’t allowed to go to sleep until I had read more this day than I had yesterday. I am rather impatient, but I can have a lot of patience in a mathematical problem. I mean, I can work through mathematics that’ll take me weeks or months to get all the things exactly right.

 

01:39:45:15

Alison (Narration):

They were adventurous on the roadtrips, parking the car and heading out on foot, sometimes overnight. One hike stands out to this day, the hike to Rainbow

Bridge, the world’s largest natual land bridge. It’s in a remote part of Southern Utah, around Navajo Mountain in the Colorado Plateau.

 

01:40:16:05

Roger:

I’d never been camping before I went to America. It… It was only when I saw that the… the West was a great place and if you wanted to see it you had to go camping that I thought I must go camping.

 

Donald:

That was totally Roger. I mean, Roger looked up all the possible uh… sites and he said, “Look, there’s this place that very few people visit and nevertheless it’s a national monument. We ought to get there one way or another and it’s a tough hike.”

 

Nick:

Route 16 to the Navajo Mountain Trading Post.  Four.  So we go up here…

 

01:40:53:00

Alison (Narration):

For the 50th anniversary, Roger and Donald want to hike to Rainbow Bridge again.

 

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(Alison: And here’s the trail.) (said very softly)

 

Donald:

Rainbow Bridge is a great hike. In fact, I think it’s the best hike we ever went on. We were young and energetic and uh… we enjoyed the challenge.

 

Roger:

It’s said to be 14 miles and it goes um… up and down into and out of a number of canyons.

 

Alison:

So here’s Cliff Canyon.

 

Alison (Narration):

When they were younger, it took them a day to go in and over a day to walk out. This time, they’re only going one way and taking a boat out.

Nick and Wal don’t want to do the hike again.

 

01:41:36:00

Nick:

I’m not going on the hike uh partly because my legs are wobbly, I’ve had blood vessels break, but the real reason is I don’t need to go on that hike. I’ve done it. I’ve nothing left to prove. It was Wal’s decision that determined what I would do. If Wal was not going to go, then I didn’t particularly want to.

 

01:42:04:20

Donald:

Nick may be right not to have come actually on the hike himself. I mean, we’re all older now. I think he’s had health problems and I think he’s a bit worried that uh, it’s a bit too much. After all, it was nearly too much for us when we were 20.

 

Nick:

You want to be at a place where you are in… in cell phone communication the first night to guarantee that we know that you’re alright and don’t have to send something out immediately and hopefully get through.

 

Alison:  Okay.

 

Roger:  What is the purpose of this calling?

 

Nick:

Just to know that you’re…

 

Donald:

To make sure that I’m not dead.

 

Nick:

Yes..

 

Roger:

Well I don’t think that you’ll be likely to be dead.

 

Nick:

Or that nobody else has broken a leg or something that uh… that calls for something urgent rather than… than waiting for two days.

 

Roger:

Well…

 

Donald:

It’s Nick… Nick needs this.

 

01:43:00:10

Nick:

I grew up in London. Probably less supervision than people would have thought wise, and actually probably all the better for it. I wanted to be an explorer. The wonderful thing I remember as a child was being allowed to read anything. I would take a topic that I was interested in and I would read everything that I could about it as fast as I could, not worrying about whether I’d really understood it because I was just going to read more and more until finally it sort of gelled as to what it was all about. And then after about 2 weeks I said “Enough of this. Let’s go onto something else.”

 

01:43:45:17

Alison (Narration):

Nick is taking us to the University of Arizona where he was a professor for 34 years. The group at Arizona tackled astronomy’s next big problem: how to make a bigger mirror than Palomar. Under the football stadium, they built this facility and revolutionalized the casting of large glass mirrors.

 

Nick:

This particular 12-sided stand can hold mirrors up to 8.4 metres diameter. This stand is also the only place in the mirror lab where we can turn a mirror upside down. You can get a crane and grab it at the top, pull to the centre and the whole thing will turn down. Over there is the furnace.

 

Alison (Narration):

Nick and his collaborators made a rotating furnace that makes up to 8 revolutions a minute and pushes the glass into a natural dish. The mirror casting takes just over 4 days.

 

Donald:

How long does it take to cool?

 

Nick:

3 or 4 months. It’s a… It’s a long time in the oven.

 

 

 

Donald:

You ought to see this side. This side’s interesting.

 

Nick:

Unfortunately I can’t turn it around for you because if you drop it, it’s a lot of years of bad luck.

 

Nick:

Now we’re coming to the polishing lab.

 

01:45:28:14

Alison (Narration):

They need two years to polish a mirror.

 

Nick:

The one here with the really shiny surface is the first mirror for the giant Magellan Telescope and then the one behind is the mirror… will be the mirror for the Large Synoptic Survey Telescope. The quality of surface you can get out of a milling machine is good to about a 10,000th part of an inch and we are making these mirrors with a surface quality of two thirds of one millionth of an inch.

 

01:46:08:11

Alison (Narration):

Nick has made many contributions to astronomy. He built the first multiple mirror telescope, pioneered adaptive optics to make telescope images sharper and devised an instrument for NASA to find Earth-like planets orbitting other stars.

 

Nick:

I never realized what I was doing. I just did it. I don’t even feel that… that I’m in control of the rudder. It… It steers itself. What I have to do is… is pull on the oars.

 It’s because I’m connecting things all the time and asking questions of “How does this fit with that?” And so when I go off in some weird direction, it is because that’s where it led and I ought to understand it a bit better and so I can pursue it until I get bored and then something else turns up that’s equally interesting and moves me in another direction.

 

01:47:09:10

Alison (Narration):

Another thing Nick did was scout mountains from Nevada to Mexico, looking for sites to build telescopes. He thought the best location in the continental U.S. was northeast of Tucson.

 

Nick:

Beautiful view of Mt. Graham there.

 

Donald:

Yeah.

 

Roger:

It is a pretty amazing view of a mountain. We… We don’t have views like that in England. It’s quite snowy.

 

Alison:

It is.

 

Roger:

We’ll never get up there.

 

Alison:

What are you worried about, Donald?

 

Donald:

Us not having a spade to dig the car out of the snow.

 

 

Nick:

No, we haven’t got a spade for digging. Maybe it would have been a good idea, I don’t know. But there are a lot of strong men here who are capable of pushing.

 

01:48:10:10

Wal:

The front wheels are not driving.

 

Donald:

Are we sure it is a 4-wheel drive vehicle?

 


 

 

Wal:

It’s curious because on the um… the trip to Rainbow Bridge we got the car stuck. 50 years ago.

 

Roger:

There’s a certain sense of déjà vu.

 

Nick:

Hello Mt. Graham. Can I hear you?

Hello?

 

Donald:

Well, congratulations.

 

Wal:

It’s only just starting.

 

Nick:

But we’re out of it. Now we’ll go…

 

Donald:

It all makes for a good …

 

01:49:28:09

Alison (Narration):

We have driven to the top of the mountain to visit the Large Binocular Telescope.

 

Nick:

What is open are two doors, one in front of each mirror and they will move out and leave a central strip here.

01:50:05:00

Donald:

It’s very like building battleships actually, isn’t it?

 

 


 

Nick:

Oh, yes.

 

01:50:16:15

Alison (Narration):

Hubble said the history of astronomy was the history of receding horizons. There would always be a horizon beyond which we could not see.

 

Nick:

The whole thing with astronauts has been a huge mistake. What should have been learned from the lunar landing is that you should not send people into space, you should send automatic equipment, and instead the idiots kept sending humans up and the main thing you got was a huge expense in getting the humans back alive usually. If they put the money into remotely controlled equipment that was capable of taking care of itself, they would actually get the results and not have to worry about the humans.

 

Donald:

But it did advance technology.

 

Nick:

At the time, yes. And then…

 

Donald:

And it did send children towards working in science.

 

01:51:38:08

Nick:

Putting people on the moon is interesting the first time you do it, much less interesting the second time and by the time you’ve reached the third one, even if you’ve got new devices up there, it’s a yawner. Ah, well.

 

Alison (Narration):

But going to the moon had a profound effect on the people we sent and gave us a new perspective on our planet.

 

Nick:

There’s a decent chance that there are about 10 billion planets in this galaxy that might have life develop on them and there are about 100 billion galaxies spread through the universe and our success or failure is hopefully not important in the long run. We are just one of the many experiments necessary and somewhere someone gets through.

 

01:52:57:00

Donald:

I think the first life that will be discovered will be of an extremely dull form and will probably be bacterial. If you mean intelligent life – will we discover intelligent life? I think probably not within my lifetime; possibly within yours. But how will we communicate? It will be extremely tiresome to communicate.

 

01:53:37:05

Wal:

Hey, guys. Can you hear me?

 

Man:

Yes. Yes, we can.

 

Wal:

Who’s the telescope operator tonight?

 

Cynthia:

It’s Cynthia. Hi, Wal.

 

Wal:

Oh, hi, Cynthia. And the weather looks okay?

 

Man:

Yeah, it looks brilliant outside.

 

Wal:

Oh, good.

 

01:53:52:18

Alison (Narration):

We have returned to Caltech where Wal is showing us the remote observe room in the astronomy building.

 

 


 

 

He’s beginning an observing run on the most powerful optical and infrared telescopes in the world. Located on a dormant volcano in Hawaii, the Keck telescopes have the best viewing conditions on the planet. Wal co-led the development team. The Keck Foundation was so pleased with the first telescope that it funded a second one 6 years later.

 


 

They designed Keck’s 10-metre mirrors like a fly’s eye out of 36 thin panels with a computerized support system to hold them in perfect alignment. This breakthrough in mirror-making will enable their successors to build new generations of telescopes.

 

Roger:

It should be in Leo. It should be…

 

Wal:

Yeah. And Virgo rising is about right. And…

 

Alison (Narration):

Wal had planned to go to Hawaii to observe, but he isn’t making the trip.

 

01:55:03:22

Nick:

Wal is seriously ill and there are reasons for suspecting that he doesn’t have a great deal of time ahead of him. None of us have a huge amount of time, but in Wal’s case it may well be considerably shorter than for the others. He’s certainly thinking about it now, but he feels he’s had a good life and he’s not afraid of death.

 

Alison:

He’s not?

 

Nick:

No.

 

Alison:

How do you know that?

 

Nick:

‘Cause I discussed it with him.

 

Alison:

On this trip?

 

Nick:

On this trip.

 

01:55:42:09

Wal:

Okay, so you lot are leaving tomorrow.

 

Donald:  Mmm, hmm.

 

Roger: Yeah.

 

Wal:  What time are you setting off?

 

Nick:

Ever so early in the morning, crack of dawn.

 

Wal:

Oh. Ah… Good to see you, Nick.

 

Nick:

All the best with everything.

 

Wal:

Yeah. Yeah, thanks. I need it.

 

01:56:03:15

Alison (Narration):

Wal is not continuing on the roadtrip with us. He’s staying in Pasadena to look after his health.

 

 


 

 

Roger:

Well, lovely to see you, Wal.

 

Wal:

Yeah.

 

Roger:

Yeah. Very interesting to see you observing.

 

Wal:

Okay, so shall I let you out?

 

Alison:

Sorry you’re not coming with us.

 

Wal:

Yeah, I’m sorry, too. But…

 

Alison:

See you.

 

Wal:

Not a good idea to.

 

01:56:49:00

Nick:

He’s in a difficult position and he understands it, and in some ways, he almost looks forward to this happening because he was dreading giving up astronomy and instead he’s going to be able to work until the end. I think it’s rather a good way to go.

 

Donald:

Death is part of life. It’s an inevitable part of life. It… It’s the… the way that new things get going. And you don’t get cluttered by all this memory of what’s gone on in the past. I don’t really believe that uh… that uh… old people should dominate the scene. I think younger people should dominate the scene.

 

 

01:57:59:10

Nick:

We learn things that are untrue and incomplete. Ideas that are formed in our brain and are going to stay with us until we die and so our dying is a part of the process of those ideas going… is very important for humanity.

 

Donald:

Evolution really occurs through death. There’s not enough death in the species.

 

Nick:

That’s right. But we haven’t come to terms with it.

 

01:58:31:10

Alison (Narration):

I’d never thought of this. That our death was important for progress and essential for humanity’s future – that is was important to weed out old ideas.

 

 

Roger’s not happy. We’ve left early and have a long drive to reach the trail head. We’re going to be passing the Grand Canyon. Roger wants to hike it, too, but the rest of the group has said no. It’s 7 miles down and 7 miles up. Roger targets

me:

Roger:

As you know, I’m very disappointed about Grand Canyon.

 

Alison:

What were you thinking about Grand Canyon? What…? What are you disappointed about?

 

Roger:

Uh… It’s no great athletic achievement to walk out at Grand Canyon.

 

Alison:

But Donald didn’t think he could do the hike.

 

Roger:

Mmm.

 

Alison:

And neither did Nick.

 

Roger:

Well…

 

Alison:

Did you discuss it with them?

 

01:59:56:20

Roger:

No.

 

Alison:

Certainly ask Donald what he thought about walking out of Grand Canyon.

 

Roger:

Well, it’s…

 

Alison:

And then immediately hiking to Rainbow Bridge.

 

Roger:

Well it’s too late to do that now.

 

Alison:

I’m saying that Donald and Nick didn’t want to both hike to the bottom of the Grand Canyon and hike to Rainbow Bridge.

 

02:00:17:10

Roger:

Well, Nick isn’t hiking to Rainbow Bridge either.

 

Alison:

No.

 

Donald:

Thank you.

 

Alison (Narration):

Donald’s reaction is not what I expect:

 

02:00:34:08

Donald:

Well, it’s only because you were learning what everybody else has learned before and I’ve seen it happen so many times before. Roger can be infuriating. There are these people who are just outlandish and who are very, very difficult to get along with. Roger’s one of them. That’s alright. You may not believe this, but Roger has become milder over the years.

 

Roger:

I’m fairly easy-going. I take life more or less as it comes. How you appear to somebody isn’t necessarily how you feel yourself. You obviously thought I was in a sulk, whereas from my point of view, I was in a misery.

 

Alison:

And what’s the difference between a sulk and a misery?

 

Roger:

Uh… A sulk is how it appears to you and a misery is how it appears to me.

 

 

 


 

02:02:04:10

Nick:

The Grand Canyon.  It’s always very dramatic and then there’s that little tiny trickle that one sees at the bottom that is apparently a wide river seen from a great distance.

 

Nick:

I can explore from up here.

 

Roger:

I’d like to go down there all the same.

 

Nick:

Yes.

 

02:02:32:00

Roger:

The… The Rainbow Bridge thing is going to be so um… so dilute that that’s not going to represent any effort you see,… I mean two and a half days to get to Rainbow Bridge is uh… not a great achievement.

 

Donald:

But is life set to be a set of achievements, Roger?

 

Roger:

What?

 

Donald:

Is life set to be a set of achievements?

 

Roger:

No, I’m not suggesting that it is. In fact, I’m suggesting that it isn’t.

 

02:03:31:05

Donald:

You were asking people when life begins. One sort of life begins when you make your first friend. I don’t think you really are very discriminating when you start, but I think after a time you learn which friends of yours are interesting. The ones that are interesting to you, you really keep up with and you make an effort to stay in contact.

 

 

02:04:17:00

Donald:

From here it is 1.4 miles to the ruins of Rainbow Lodge. The track no longer resembles a road and you’ll need to engage your 4-wheel drive.

 

Roger:

This would pass for ‘no longer resembles a road.’

 

Donald:

Yes, I think this is absolutely right.    Hey! Not so fast!

 

02:04:52:15

Nick:   Okay.

 

Donald:   Right. Out we get.

 

Alison (Narration):   Nick’s going boat up in 2 days and meet us at Rainbow Bridge.

 

Donald:  There you are.

 

Nick:  We who are about to die salute you.

 

Donald:  Okay, Nick. There we are. Good. Alright. Roger’s off already.

 

Alison:     Roger!

 

02:05:17:00

Donald:   Come on. We must go.    Alright. March. On we go. It was hot when we started out and you know, we were all carrying quite heavy packs. Roger’s natural pace is faster than the rest of us, so he went first.


 

02:05:45:08

Roger:  It wasn’t done in any spirit of competition. It was purely a matter of convenience. My heart is as light as the pack is heavy. That’s to say that the longer the hike I’m going on, the more exciting I think it’s going to be. But it doesn’t weigh on me every day and every minute that I’m over 70, you know?

 

Donald:

He always liked to outdo everybody else and be one up. And I’m for trying to stop him being one up. It was just part of Roger, he wanted to show that he was the best.

 

Alison:    There’s Roger way ahead.

 

Donald:      Good.

 

Roger:         We’ve done one Canyon, though uh… I think it should be said that it’s the easiest one – the first one.

 

Donald:         And here we are. Been through first canyon, and we’re out of Horse Canyon and we are somewhere right back here, aren’t we?

 

02:06:50:10    Alison:      No. Please tell us we’ve gone further.

 

Donald:    And we’ve got all this stuff to do.

 

Alison:     Well do you think we’ll get to our camping site?

 

Donald:    No. Uh… not tonight.

 

Alison:      Okay.

 

Donald:    But we might. Should we go?

 

Roger:

Yeah.

 

Donald:

Alright.

 

02:07:14:05

Alison:    This trail is a mess.

 

Donald:     This movie’s going to have a lot of heavy breathing in it.

 

 

Roger:

1961. April 26. Dear Mum. Very hot with blazing sun. There is a sort of rudimentary trail. Not exactly well-beaten as few people visit Rainbow. Having climbed into and out of three canyons, each some hundreds of feet deep, we kept stopping to rest. It was frightfully hot and very uphill and the trail seemed interminable. It seemed a hugely long way. The description of it rings pretty true, doesn’t it? I mean, it’s… it’s quite like that now.

 

Alison:      My feet are killing me.

 

Roger:            We walked a lot quicker in those days. I think it can’t have been as difficult then as it is… as it is now. The trail must have been in somewhat better shape.

I suppose we have to admit that we are getting old.

 

Donald:   Well, that’s true. And I enjoy it.

 

Roger:       Oh, I don’t.

 

Donald:     I’ll come in a moment.

 

02:08:36:08

Alison (Narration):          Donald is struggling. This is unexpected and we start to think about how to get him out of here if he can’t make it out on his own.

 

 

Roger:        I hope he doesn’t find he’s bitten off more than he can chew, because I don’t know what we’ll do if he has: I can’t carry him.

 

02:09:01:15

Roger:

I run the London Marathon every year. When you’re 70, if you run it in 5 hours, you can get an automatic entry for the next year and I still did it in 3:57 last April. More than an hour in hand. I could stop at a café and have a leisurely lunch halfway around and still make it. In fact, it would make it easier to do that, but I don’t think it would be sporting.

 

Alison:     Got it.

 

Roger:    Okay, thanks.

 

Alison:     You’re welcome.

 

Donald:     Is this where we’re staying?

 

02:09:40:10      Alison:     Yes, we can have a fire.

 

Donald:    Uh-huh.

 

Alison:        Oh, man. Thank you.

 

Alison (Narration):      I try to reach Nick to let him know we’re okay.

 

Alison:     I don’t have a signal.

 

Donald:      Okay.

 

Alison:             We’ll have to try him in the morning. No.

 

 

02:10:16:15

Donald:          Very glad to see the country again. I love that part of the world.

It’s wonderful. You’re away from all of civilization and nevertheless you had communion with the sky and the stars.

 

Roger:   That’s Betelgeuse. And there’s Sirius. How about that?

 

Alison (Narration):                 Roger gets out a small telescope and focuses it.

 

Roger:              Jupiter would be to the far right of Venus.

 

Alison:              What’s that one?

 

Roger:              Uh… That one is uh… Capella. It’s a binary star which has an orbital period of 104 days.

 

Alison:              You have a very good memory, Roger.

 

Roger:              Well, I only uh… I only took an interest in it, that was all.

 

Alison:              Yeah.

 


 

02:11:39:07                  Donald: Yogi,  it’s spring. It’s spring.

 

Roger:              Oh… and bright.

 

Donald:            It is, I’m afraid. Bright and spring. It’s a good spring morning.

                        Where’s your alarm clock?

 

Roger:              Are you being an alarm clock?

 

Donald:                        Yes, I am.

 

Roger:              Mm-hmm. Alright.

 

Alison:              Morning, Roger.

 

Roger:              Morning.

 

 

02:12:19:10

Alison (Narration):                 As we start out, I hope this day will go better.

 

Donald:  Oh, dear. I’m going the wrong way. Let’s try the right way.

 

Roger:   Uh-huh.

 

Donald:  You see the path anywhere?

 

 

 

 

Roger:  That’s not a trail.

 

Donald:  Don’t you think that looks like a trail?

 

02:12:48:09

Roger:              We’re definitely totally lost now. I suppose this is the trail, but I’m not sure. Do…? Do you think it goes up here?

 

Alison:              No. No, I think it goes that way.

 

Roger:              There’s nothing that way. That’s hopeless.

 

Donald:            I think it probably goes over here and then crosses back here.

                         I think it looks like a trail here.

 

Roger:              Where did Donald go, anyway?

 

02:13:34:05

Donald:            Yeah, here we are. Here’s the path.

 

Alison:              Okay, we’ll be right there.

 

Alison (Narration):

No sooner are we back on track then something else happens. Roger needs to rest.

 

Roger:              Ah… Getting enfeebled in my old age.

 

Alison:              How old are you, Roger?

 

Roger:              76. Donald’s 76, but he doesn’t run marathons.

 

Alison:              Yeah.

 

Roger:              Do you think I should make my mind to it. Sort of give in?

 

Alison:              No, I think you should just keep going. Ignore your age.

 

Roger:              There’s some aspects of it I can’t ignore.

 

Alison:              That’s true for all of us.

 

02:14:26:03

Roger:              Mmm. When I was a student and I was uh… late going for a train and I had to run for it, I can remember wondering, ‘whatever will I do when I’m 50? I shall miss the train’, but uh… somehow I’ve sort of been putting it off.

 

Alison:              But you don’t seem old to me.

 

Roger:              Oh, thank you, Alison.

 

02:14:56:05

Alison:              Well, we better keep going. We have a long way to go still. Shall we?

 

Roger:              Yeah, I suppose so.

 

Alison:              Onward.

 

Roger:              Yeah. Here we go again, then.

 

Alison:              Donald will be very far ahead of us now.

 

Roger:              Yes. He will be.

 

02:15:28:10

Alison (Narration):                 Roger continues to struggle and it surprises me.

 

Alison:              Can I help you?

 

Roger:              It’s too much for me. I can’t do it. I’m too old now.

 

Roger:              Maybe I can do it.

 

Alison:              I’ll help you. I’ll go ahead.

 

Roger:  And I’m a bit despondent about myself because I’m not as strong as I used to be.

 

02:16:24:15

Alison:              re’ you okay?

 

Roger:              Yup. Yup.

 

02:16:39:03

Alison:              Roger?

 

Roger:              Yeah.

 

Alison:              This way. Follow me. There. You did it.

 

Roger:              Thank you.

 

Alison:              Look back, Roger.

 

Roger:              Yes.

 

Alison:              This is a fantastic view. Isn’t it beautiful? And look at the sky.

 

Roger:              Yeah.

 

02:17:13:05

Alison:              Aren’t we lucky?

 

Roger:              Yes.

 

Alison:              Well, let’s keep going.

 

Roger:              Alright.

 

Donald:            Onward.

 

Roger:

It certainly is an amazing place.

 

Alison:

Shit.

 

02:18:04:10

Donald:  Fantastic. Don’t you think it’s fantastic? Just fantastic scenery. You know, it makes one feel great to be alive to be on this, doesn’t it? Even if it’s hard work.

 

Roger:  We look a bit small compared with the landscape.

 

Donald:  There it is. There it is. That’s Rainbow Bridge.

 

Roger:  So it is.

 

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02:18:49:01

Donald:            No problems, Nick. Just late as usual.

 

Nick:                Dr. Livingstone, I presume!

 

Donald:            Stanley, I presume.

 

Alison:              Come on.

 

Nick:                We’re very glad to see you.

                        We were a little worried.

 

Donald:            We tried to ring from the top.  -- 

 

Nick:                It didn’t work.

 

Donald:            --  Of Cliff Canyon. It didn’t work. But actually, we had a good trip.

 

02:19:16:15                 

Nick:  Good.

 

Donald:            Uh… No problems.

 

Donald:            It was a relief. And thank God I can put down my pack.

 

Roger:              Well I was pleased to have made it but I didn’t… I didn’t have much doubt when we started that I’d be able to make it. I mean, I’m not given to sort of dancing about and congratulating myself on anything ‘cause the… the next thing happens… that happens is a fall, you know. Pride goeth before a fall.

It’s difficult to grasp how big it is when you just see it in a picture. It’s about 300 feet high and wide.

 

Roger:

I would have liked to stand on it like I did before, but there, there didn’t seem to be much prospect of doing that.

 

02:20:11:15

Donald:            It’s not allowed.

 

Roger:              Are you sure it’s not allowed?

 

Donald:            Yes, absolutely sure.

 

Nick:                I offer you a toast to Athenaeum Enterprises.

 

Donald:            It’s a great enjoyment to go hiking with friends. To the future! Thank you.

 

02:20:49:08

Alison (Narration):     It was a privilege to go with them. Nick quoted T.S. Eliot.

“We shall not cease from exploration and the end of all our exploring will be to arrive where we started and know the place for the first time.”

 


 

 

Donald:            The numbers in astronomy as you know are very big. It is easy to appreciate a tenth of a second and if you’re a photographer, you might even… or a runner, you might even appreciate a hundredth of a second. How many hundredths of a second are there in a year? Well that’s quite a big number actually, and if you think about it there are about 30 million seconds in a year. So that’s 3 times 10 to the 7, a hundredths of a second, that’s 3 times 10 to the 9 and if you ask about a hundred years, that’s 3 times 10 to the 11, which is very like the number of stars in the galaxy. And that’s very like the number of galaxies in the universe, too.

 

02:22:19:05

Alison:              Are you afraid of death? Are you worried about it?

 

Roger:              Uh… No, I’m not worried about it. Uh… I can’t see any purpose in being worried about it, but I’m not looking forward to it. I’m, I’m a Christian and um… uh… I therefore believe in principle in eternal life, but I wonder what you do with eternal life. It seems to me that eternity is a very long time and I don’t know what to do all that time. I can’t believe that they have telescopes in heaven, but I don’t know what they do have.

 

Alison:

What did you learn from a lifetime observing the universe?

 

02:23:23:02

Nick:

Well… Somebody once said that the most remarkable feature of the universe is that it is comprehensible. That somehow with these ideas of cause and effect we can go through and make sense of all the parts of it that we’ve observed and see how they all fit together. Curiosity is a necessary part of survival and the thing that I like most about life is being able to ask questions.

 

 

02:24:22:05

 

Wal:  The question is always the same one:  what the hell is out there.

 

Wal died seven months after the reunion, on October 29, 2012.  [font is Gotham Medium same as credit roll]

 

 

 

 

 

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