Veronique
Pozner/Sandy Hook shooting footage |
VERONIQUE POZNER: “It was a nightmare, déjà vu
scenario that it just, you know, brought everything back in a wave”. |
00:00 |
Home
movie footage of Noah |
LISA MILLAR: She lost her six year old son. |
00:11 |
Eric
Milgram |
ERIC MILGRAM: “And they knew something bad had
happened. They heard the screaming... the shooting”. |
00:14 |
Lauren
Milgram |
LISA MILLAR: His daughter survived hiding in a
primary school bathroom. |
00:17 |
Eric
Milgram |
ERIC MILGRAM: “Can you imagine though what
that does to a six or seven year old when they see something like that?” |
00:21 |
Family
photo of Noah/Demonstrators |
LISA MILLAR: Now, the court case that could
force change. |
00:26 |
Assault
rifle commercial |
|
00:30 |
|
VERONIQUE POZNER: “You can’t put a product
such as that out in the general public and |
00:34 |
Veronique |
expect not to have accountability”. |
00:39 |
Veronique
walks dogs/Eric Milgram and family erect tent/Aerial, Sandy Hook school. GFX
o/lay: photos of killed children and teachers |
LISA MILLAR: Tonight, we go back to the
families whose lives changed forever on the day twenty tiny children and six
teachers went to school and never came home. “So have you given up |
00:42 |
Veronique |
hope that the gun laws will change in this
country?” VERONIQUE POZNER: “No, I have not given up
hope. I think we’re better than this”. |
00:53 |
Computer
screen showing conspiracy theory website |
LISA MILLAR: And their fight to shut down the
dangerous conspiracy theories. CONSPIRACY THEORISTS: “Busted! |
01:01 |
CU
of conspiracy theory sites |
100% proof that Sandy Hook was a hoax”. |
01:06 |
Millar
with Lenny Pozner |
LISA MILLAR: “What are they saying about your
family and about Noah?” |
01:10 |
|
LENNY POZNER: “He is an actor and he’s, he
never really died and that we are all actors”. |
01:13 |
Eric
Milgram and family erecting tent |
ERIC MILGRAM: “They’re going to threaten you,
they’re going to tell you that you’re part of a |
01:18 |
Eric
Milgram 100% |
conspiracy, you’re going to be victimised all
over again”. |
01:21 |
Congressional
sit in. Congressman at lectern |
DEMOCRAT POLITICIAN #1: “We have lost hundreds
and thousands of innocent people to gun violence”. |
01:24 |
|
LISA MILLAR: Will America finally listen. |
01:29 |
Congressman
to camera |
DEMOCRAT POLITICIAN #2: “You can help us win
this battle America. Call your representative up. Call these Republicans up
on the phone and tell them we want to vote!” |
01:32 |
Icy
river |
Music |
01:42 |
O/lay:
Photos of Noah |
VERONIQUE POZNER: “His life energy, his
appetite for life, he was a bon vivant. You know, he really enjoyed food |
01:54 |
Veronique |
and companionship and he was very engaged |
02:03 |
O/lay:
Photos of Noah |
in life. I think he.... he had a lot to teach
everyone about being connected”. |
02:09 |
Snowy
playground |
Music |
02:20 |
|
LISA MILLAR: [February, 2013] “It’s a big deal
for a |
02:29 |
Millar
with Veronique. Super: |
mother to speak out like this and yet you are
finding the strength to do that. |
02:30 |
Veronique.
Super: |
What are you hoping to achieve?” VERONIQUE POZNER: “I think I’d like other
mothers to hear me, to hear or grasp even a bit of the magnitude of the loss.
|
02:35 |
Photo.
Noah |
I’m speaking on behalf of my son so that he’s
not forgotten”. |
02:46 |
Aerial.
Sandy Hook school |
Music |
02:52 |
Sandy
Hook massacre footage |
LISA MILLAR: In December of 2012, Sandy Hook,
Connecticut, in the prosperous north east of the United States became a place
of terror. With the doors to the school locked and students safely in their
classrooms, shots rang out. |
03:02 |
|
POLICE RADIO: “Sandy Hook School. Caller’s
indicating she thinks there’s someone shooting in the building”. |
03:22 |
Photos.
Girl/Noah/Teacher |
LISA MILLAR: In a matter of minutes, twenty
children, including Veronique Pozner’s six year old son Noah were slain –
along with six of the teachers who tried to protect them. |
03:27 |
Child
after massacre |
CHILD: “We heard guns and we also heard
screaming and crying”. |
03:38 |
Roadside
memorial to children and teachers |
Music |
03:42 |
|
LISA MILLAR: In the days and weeks after the
slaughter at the primary school, few of the parents wanted to talk publicly,
but we found Veronique Pozner, mother of five, determined that her son |
03:47 |
Fire
station exterior |
would not become just another statistic. |
04:00 |
Veronique |
VERONIQUE POZNER: “It’s really heart wrenching
to see your child’s name on a headstone. I mean… and it’s heart wrenching in
any case, but it was just so sudden, and a scenario I never entertained in my
wildest nightmares”. |
04:03 |
Ice
on leaves |
Music |
04:28 |
School
zone sign |
LISA MILLAR: Veronique sent her children to
Sandy Hook school on that Friday, |
04:34 |
Snowy
landscape. O/lay Photos. Pozner children |
big sister Sophia and six year old twins,
Arielle and Noah. Noah’s little body was riddled |
04:38 |
O/lay photo. Adam Lanza/ Noah |
with eleven bullets from Adam Lanza’s gun.
Veronique, a nurse, forced herself to identify his remains. VERONIQUE POZNER: “I felt I owed it to him. |
04:48 |
Millar
with Veronique |
I mean I was his mother in life and I’m his
mother after, you know, no matter
what”. |
04:57 |
Orlando
nightclub massacre. Super: June 12, 2016 |
|
05:05 |
|
LISA MILLAR: More than three years later, she
woke to news of yet another horrific mass killing using a semi-automatic
weapon originally designed for the battlefield - fifty people dead at a
nightclub in Orlando Florida, including the gunman. |
05:12 |
Traffic
GVs |
“In almost thirty years in |
05:29 |
Millar
to camera driving |
Journalism, the Sandy Hook massacre was one of
the hardest stories I’ve had to cover. I remember a colleague at the time
commenting, how do you write an obituary for a five year old? And then how do
you write nineteen more? I’ve thought a lot about that line and about the
families, especially Veronique Pozner, who I met in the weeks after the
attack, her son was one of the victims, Noah his name was. Three and a half
years later, I’m on my way to her place and I want to see how she’s going”. |
05:34 |
Millar
greets Veronique at front door |
|
06:05 |
Millar
with Veronique at home |
I find Veronique now living in a city a long
way from Sandy Hook. She and her family moved after Noah was killed. It was
too painful to stay. “Is there a part of you though that felt torn
about leaving |
06:19 |
Veronique |
the place where Noah last was?” VERONIQUE POZNER: “Yes. I felt guilty about
that. I definitely did, but it didn’t take me too long |
06:34 |
Photos
of Noah in home |
to realise that, you know, for me to feel
close to him and to think about him and his laugh and the things he would
say, |
06:45 |
Veronique |
I don’t find that at the cemetery. All I find
there is loss and bottomless grief really, quite frankly. It’s very, very
harrowing for me to go. So knowing that, that guilt has really gone away,
because I feel close to him |
06:54 |
O/lay.
Photos. Noah |
when I think about him, when I remember him,
when I look at his pictures, when I… you know, laugh about something he said
with the girls. I still haven’t been able to |
07:19 |
Veronique |
watch films of him though, but I do look at
his pictures all the time”. |
07:32 |
Video
of balloons being release |
VERONICA POZNER: “We’re sending you these
balloons and hope they reach you, all the way in heaven”. Music |
07:37 |
Veronique
interview |
LISA MILLAR: “What was your first reaction
when you heard the news from Orlando?” VERONICA POZNER: “It was just… first reaction
was just a wave of nausea, pretty much. Just that feeling of here we go again
because we’re asleep at the wheel and we’re about to crash again, because I
knew before any confirmation was made that he had to have used a high powered
rifle to get the amount of casualties they were starting to talk about. It
was a nightmare, déjà vu scenario that it just… you know, brought everything
back in a wave. And my heart just went out to all those young people that
lost their lives and their families and just knowing they’re just beginning
that journey”. |
07:50 |
Assault
rifle commercial. Super: |
SIG SAUER COMMERCIAL: “Shooter make ready. The
Sig MCX is here and it’s unlike anything you’ve seen or heard”. |
08:43 |
|
LISA MILLAR: This is the assault rifle used to
kill in Orlando. Developed for America’s Special Forces, it can fire 45
rounds in a minute. |
08:51 |
TEXT: Sig Sauer, when it counts.
www.sigevolution.com |
SIG SAUER COMMERCIAL: “The Sig MCX eclipses
everything that’s come before it. It’s the start of a new era”. |
09:00 |
|
LISA MILLAR: A semi-automatic gun similar to
this has been the weapon of choice in America’s recent massacres – the San
Bernardino slayings last September, the attack in a Colorado movie theatre in
2012 |
09:16 |
Icy
road outside school |
and at Sandy Hook Elementary School. |
09:29 |
2013.
Millar and Veronique look at photos |
When I first met Veronique, just weeks after
Sandy Hook, she was calling for a ban. VERONIQUE POZNER: “They are weapons |
09:32 |
Veronique |
of mass carnage that are designed for the
battlefield. It just… it just has no place in society as I see it. I think
they should be made illegal and I think there should be a compulsory buy-back
program of these weapons”. LISA MILLAR: “Similar to what we saw in
Australia?” VERONIQUE POZNER: “Correct”. |
09:39 |
Orlando
massacre aftermath footage |
Music |
10:01 |
Veronique
interview |
LISA MILLAR: “Are you shocked that Sandy Hook
and the death of Noah and the other children wasn’t enough to change things?” |
10:10 |
|
VERONIQUE POZNER: “I thought the fact that
twenty small children as well as six educators being decimated in a very
short amount of time would be such a wake-up call for the nation. |
10:17 |
Orlando
massacre aftermath footage |
It shocks me. It shocks me that... you know, we
seem to be on one hand concerned about this |
10:38 |
Veronique |
massive loss of life that occurs during mass
shootings, or the statistics that are coming out of our American cities, but
by the same token, there’s a kind of complacency and I think part of it is
just the powerful lobby of the NRA and the gun manufacturers and the immunity
that they enjoy and …” |
10:54 |
[shot
continuous] |
LISA MILLAR: “And they’ve still got the power?
I mean we talked about it when we met in 2013”. VERONIQUE POZNER: “Yes and I think they’ve…
the ice that they’re standing on is becoming thinner and thinner every time
one of these events happens. It becomes more and more difficult for them to
rationally justify why we can’t have reasonable gun control measures in this
country”. |
11:23 |
NRA
Headquarters exterior |
LISA MILLAR: The National Rifle Association or
NRA |
11:49 |
NRA
press conference |
is perhaps the most powerful and controversial
lobbying group in America. |
11:55 |
Protestor
at press conference being led away. Super: |
PROTESTOR: “NRA stop killing our children.
It’s the NRA and the assault weapons that are killing our children”. |
12:00 |
La
Pierre addresses press conference |
WAYNE LA PIERRE: “The only thing that stops a
bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun”. LISA MILLAR: Wayne La Pierre has |
12:07 |
Protesters
at press conference |
been running the NRA for twenty years and
earns a million dollars a year because he’s so successful”. PROTESTOR: “Shame on the NRA! |
12:16 |
|
Ban assault weapons now! “ |
12:25 |
Capitol
building, Washington |
LISA MILLAR: At the first Senate committee
hearings on gun control after Sandy Hook, |
12:27 |
La
Pierre addresses senate committee hearing |
La Pierre went on the offensive. WAYNE LA PIERRE: “Law abiding gun owners will
not |
12:32 |
|
accept blame for the acts of violent or
deranged criminals, nor do we believe that governments should dictate what we
can lawfully own and use to protect our families”. LISA MILLAR: La Pierre said no |
12:35 |
|
to proposed bans on semi-automatic weapons and
high capacity magazine clips, and no to more background checks for gun
buyers. |
12:48 |
NRA
commercial. Super: |
NRA COMMERCIAL: “I’m a mum and just like
millions of other women, that’s why I own guns”. |
12:57 |
|
LISA MILLAR: Successive efforts to change gun laws
are constantly blocked in Congress. |
13:02 |
C-SPAN Democrat senators at sit-sin |
DEMOCRAT POLITICIAN #1: “We have lost hundreds
and thousands of innocent people to gun violence”. |
13:07 |
|
LISA MILLAR: Ten days after the Orlando
murders, in an action reminiscent of civil rights protests in the 1960s,
Democrats launched a 25 hour sit in on the floor of Congress. They wanted a
vote on legislation that would stop people on a terrorist watch list from
buying guns. |
13:14 |
C-SPAN |
DEMOCRAT POLITICIAN #1: “We’re calling on the
leadership of the House to bring commonsense gun control legislation to the
House floor. Give us a vote! Let us vote! We came here to do our job! We came
here to work!” |
13:34 |
|
DEMOCRAT POLITICIAN #2: “Rise up Democrats.
Rise up Americans. This cannot stand. We will occupy this floor. We will no
longer be denied a right to vote”. |
13:48 |
|
DEMOCRAT POLITICIAN #3: “You can help us win
this battle, America. Call your representative up. Call these Republicans up
on the phone and tell them we want to vote. America, you can win this battle
tonight for us”. |
14:03 |
Mobile
phone footage of sit-in |
LISA MILLAR: After the official cameras were
switched off, they ignored a ban on mobile phones, instead using them to live
stream their protest to social media. |
14:16 |
NRA
commercial |
NRA ADVERTISEMENT: “To the ayatollahs of Iran
and every terrorist you enable, listen up. You might have met our fresh faced
flower child president and his weak-kneed Ivy League friends”. |
14:32 |
|
LISA MILLAR: The NRA opposes the “no fly no
buy” proposal, calling it an infringement of civil liberties because many
innocent people could be on the watch list and prevented from owning a gun. |
14:45 |
|
NRA ADVERTISEMENT: “I’m the National Rifle
Association of America and I’m freedom’s safest place”. |
14:57 |
NRA
commercial |
NRA GUN ADVERTISEMENT: “Let me say something
to every political hack pretending you know an AR15 from a double barrel
shotgun in the wake of the Orlando terror attack. Stop talking”. |
15:03 |
|
LISA MILLAR: With substantial financial
backing from America’s arms makers, the NRA spends more than $200 million a
year promoting and defending gun ownership. |
15:12 |
Commercial
continues |
NRA GUN ADVERTISEMENT: “I was a seal for 12
years. Now I train average, everyday Americans to protect themselves and
their families. The only way for us to stay free, was by having whatever guns
the bad guys have. This firearm gives average people the advantage they so
desperately need and deserve, to protect their life, liberty and happiness”. |
15:23 |
Lenny
Pozner on computer looking at conspiracy theory website |
LISA MILLAR: The NRA has support in the dark
corners of the internet too. Incredibly since Noah died, the Pozners and
relatives of other Sandy Hook victims have been fending off so-called “Gun
Truthers” – on line trolls and conspiracy theorists who claim Sandy Hook
never happened or was part of a plot to take away guns. |
15:43 |
|
[VO video website]: Now here is the phoney,
fictional computer generated Photoshop boy - the bogey man, Adam Lanza. |
16:10 |
Millar
and Lenny at computer |
LENNY POZNER: [looking at computer] “ All of
these links here are of youtube videos that have been taken down.” LISA MILLAR: “Right OK - so they’ve been taken
down?” LENNY POZNER: “They’re gone.” LISA MILLER: Noah’s dad, Lenny, |
16:18 |
|
has dedicated himself to outing them on his
own website and having the fake sites removed. “You didn’t want us to show your face, |
16:27 |
Millar
with Lenny in silhouette. Super: LENNY POZNER |
can you explain why?” LENNY POZNER: “Because of the... all of the
threats against me, all of the hate, all of the death threats. There’s an
active FBI investigation and it’s part of my... concern, part of staying
vigilant”. |
16:36 |
|
LISA MILLAR: “What are they saying about your
family and about Noah?” LENNY POZNER: “Well there are many
conspiracies, many theories, many things that are being said but... |
16:58 |
Photos
of Noah |
one of which is that he is an actor and he
never really died and that we are all actors. |
17:08 |
Lenny
in silhouette |
It’s just another anomaly in the land of
conspiracy theorists. When things don’t add up for them, they don’t need to
connect”. |
17:16 |
Millar
and Lenny looking at images on computer |
LENNY POZNER:
“Three years ago, every single photo was of this type. You wouldn’t
see anything real of Noah”. |
17:28 |
|
LISA MILLAR: “Then your hard work is paying
off”. LENNY POZNER: “Oh absolutely, oh absolutely,
definitely”. |
17:36 |
|
LISA MILLAR: But they aren’t all faceless on
the fringes of the internet. |
17:40 |
Lenny
Pozner interview |
LISA MILLAR: “I’m just sort of a bit in awe of
you that you are able to just take this on as a, almost as a duty, as
something that you have to do because when I look up those sites and read
what’s written, I would just feel absolutely gutted. I mean I don’t know how
you manage not to just feel such a heavy, heavy sadness about it”. |
17:44 |
|
LENNY POZNER: “I do and I can’t really explain
why I’ve chosen that path, but it really |
18:09 |
Photos.
Noah |
is not something that I stop and think about,
it really is the only choice for me to make. Someone is treating the memory
of my son that way and I have to absolutely defend the memory of my son. I
have no choice. |
18:14 |
Lenny
in silhouette interview |
And conspiracy theories erase history, they
erase our memories and |
18:29 |
Noah
Batman drawing/Noah in Batman suit |
how will this event be remembered a hundred
years from now, and we may not remember any of this and |
18:35 |
Lenny
in silhouette interview |
so I think it’s important, the work that I’m
doing”. |
18:42 |
Home video shots of Noah playing |
|
18:46 |
Wintery
Sandy Hook GVs |
|
19:00 |
|
LISA MILLAR: When I first came to Sandy Hook |
19:04 |
Millar
walking in Sandy Hook |
in the days after the tragedy, it was
December. The town covered in snow and ice, a bleak atmosphere to match the
mood. |
19:05 |
Sandy
Hook GVs Spring |
Now, there’s a sense of renewal. |
19:14 |
|
Music |
19:18 |
|
“The years have passed |
19:24 |
Millar
to camera walking on bridge |
and the seasons have changed, but being back
in Sandy Hook you cannot forget the horror that this town went through. Many
thought that it would be the line in the sand when it came to guns in the US,
that change would be immediate, but it’s been much slower than that”. |
19:26 |
Eric
Milgram interview |
“How does a town like Sandy Hook recover from
something like that?” |
19:45 |
|
ERIC MILGRAM: “You never recover, you just go
on and, you know, what I want people… you know, in the United States to
realise is you think this won’t happen to you. You think that, oh well, you
know, you hear about it on the news, it’s tragic and, you know, you can
relate to it in some ways but you think ‘Wow that was really awful’. But then
you go on |
19:50 |
|
with your life and I tell every community,
‘You better have a plan in place now. Do your school shooter lockdown drills,
really assess, you know, your security thoroughly scenario plan and plan for
the aftermath’.” |
20:12 |
Milgram
family in garden, set up tent |
|
20:25 |
|
LISA MILLAR : Eric Milgram’s daughter Lauren
was in the same grade as Noah at Sandy Hook Elementary School. She survived
by hiding in a bathroom with Noah’s twin sister. ERIC MILGRAM: “And they knew something bad had
happened. They heard the screaming, the shooting – you’ve got to |
20:31 |
Eric
Milgram. Super: |
remember this was an event that was so severe
that seasoned first responders, people who’ve been on sites of shootings, car
accidents and what not beforehand, you know, many of them said this is the
worst trauma, tragedy I’ve ever seen in my lifetime. But on top of that, some
of those people were permanently disabled, you know, what they saw that day
of the shooting was so severe, that they couldn’t... they just couldn’t work
any more. Can you imagine what that does to a six or seven year old when they
see something like that? |
20:47 |
Lauren
in garden with family |
I know for a fact that Lauren she did see
things that she will not talk about to anybody and this has changed her
personality. You know, and it’s hurtful to watch because |
21:16 |
Eric
Milgram |
beforehand she was so confident, so outgoing,
and in the months after the shooting, |
21:28 |
Lauren
in garden with family |
she really clammed up, closed up”. LISA MILLAR: Eric and his family stayed in
Sandy Hook. He’s got a sad warning for the families and friends grieving
after the tragedy in Orlando. ERIC MILGRAM: “Be prepared that when you speak
out, you will be harassed. |
21:33 |
Eric
Milgram interview |
You know, you’ve gone through a horrible
trauma, be prepared that you are going to be harassed on social media. People
are going to call your house, they’re going to get your work phone number,
they’re going to threaten you, they’re going to tell you that you’re part of
a conspiracy, you’re going to be victimised all over again”. |
21:49 |
|
LISA MILLAR: “What do you think is the worst
thing you’ve heard with the conspiracies?” ERIC MILGRAM: “That it never happened, that
Sandy Hook never happened |
22:05 |
|
or it was a government false flag operation to
take away people’s guns which is absolutely absurd. There are far better ways
you know to do that, than to stage a shooting like this”. |
22:13 |
Sandy
Hook GVs |
LISA MILLAR: He’s now part of a community
group lobbying for more stringent background checks on gun buyers and thinks
what happened here has raised awareness. Even so, he’s not sure whether the
type of gun that killed so many of his daughter’s classmates should be
totally banned. ERIC MILGRAM: “The official position |
22:23 |
Eric
Milgram interview |
of the organisation for which I’m a spokesman,
the Newtown Action Alliance, they are fully 100% behind assault weapons ban.
My personal opinion, just to separate them, I, you know don’t know if I would
go quite that far yet, but I do believe that we need to look at how assault
weapons are sold, marketed, distributed and we need to make changes”. LISA MILLAR: In an effort to force change, |
22:43 |
Veronique
with dogs |
the families of some Sandy Hook victims,
including Noah Pozner’s parents, are suing the manufacturer of the gun used
to kill their kids. |
23:06 |
Protestors
at Capitol building |
LISA MILLAR: They hope the courts might
achieve what the US Government seems unable to manage. To strip the legal
immunity enjoyed by the makers and sellers of guns used in crime. |
23:15 |
Veronique
interview |
“What are you hoping to achieve with the
lawsuit against the |
23:28 |
|
gun manufacturers?” VERONICA POZNER: “Accountability. That you
can’t put a product such as that out in the general public and expect not to
have accountability. Certainly it’s one of the few industries that enjoys
that. I mean drug manufacturers and tobacco or cigarette manufacturers do not
enjoy that. There are consequences and it’s about time that people brought
that to the forefront”. |
23:32 |
Guns
for sale |
LISA MILLAR: Six million guns are made in
America every year and it’s estimated the weapons and ammunition generate
about six billion dollars a year in revenue. After every massacre, there’s a
spike in sales. |
24:09 |
Veronique
interview |
“Have you given up hope that the gun laws will
change in this country?” VERONICA POZNER: “No, I have not given up
hope. I think we’re better than this. |
24:26 |
|
I wish a lot more had been done, but that
doesn’t mean that it won’t get done. It just means that it’s a long process. |
24:34 |
|
After all, you know, there are changes that
have occurred in civil rights in this country that a couple of generations
ago were... would have been inconceivable. ‘Oh no that’s never going to
happen!’ But the fact is we woke up as a nation to the injustices, to the
abuses and so this is our next fight – the violence in our society is our
next fight”. |
24:43 |
Rebuilding
of school |
Music |
25:13 |
|
LISA MILLAR: Sandy Hook Elementary School has
been bulldozed. They’re building a new school in its place, but for the
families |
25:17 |
Millar
at cemetery, at Noah’s grave |
who lost their children here, nothing will
erase what happened. Noah Pozner would have been ten this year. VERONICA POZNER: “It is an awful |
25:24 |
Veronique
interview |
truth but we have to own it, you know? It’s
part of our family’s history. It’s been agonising. I have cried enough tears
to fill an ocean and I still do, all the time, but now we have to own it. It
is our truth and it’s also the truth of many, many other families who since
Sandy Hook and before, have lost their loved ones -- their children, their
spouses, their sisters and brothers, friends -- to violence, to gun violence,
especially these types of weapons. I mean we just… I feel that connection. I
feel that there’s a, there’s got to be a string of, you know, going through
all these victims and, and our mourning and our anger and our pain’s got to
get heard. How many of us do we have to be, before we’re heard?” |
25:34 |
Home
video footage of Noah’s birthday |
[singing: ‘Happy Birthday…’ |
26:36 |
Credits |
Reporter: Lisa Millar Producers: Sashka Koloff Editors:
Stuart Miller Additional footage: C-SPAN
Steven Fernandaz (Orlando ftg) Executive producer: Marianne Leitch abc.net.au/foreign ABC © 2016 |
26:48 |
Outpoint |
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27:00 |