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FOREIGN
CORRESPONDENT
2019
High
Steaks
30
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Opening
the winter season of Foreign Correspondent, Craig Reucassel reports on the
food revolution underway in the US that could very well change what we eat,
forever. |
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It
is coming from the ultimate disruptors, Silicon Valley, where scientists and
entrepreneurs are cooking up new types of foods which threaten to take a big
bite out of the profits of the multi-billion-dollar meat industry. |
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On
the menu are burgers made from plants which ‘bleed’, and chicken nuggets
grown in labs from animal cells. |
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Critics
call it ‘frankenfood’ but the substitute meat industry claims it wants to
feed the world and save the environment. And it’s backed by big bucks, with
investors such as Bill Gates and Hong Kong magnate Li Ka Shing putting their
money where their mouth is. |
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In
one recent float, a meat-less meat company’s share price almost tripled on
its first day of trading. |
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But
the West isn’t won yet. It’s fighting hard to preserve its divine right to
make a living from livestock. |
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“Our
farmers and ranchers grow these cattle like God intended them to be grown”
explains a Missouri politician. |
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Many
US States are protecting their cattle industries by passing laws which ban
‘new meat’ being marketed as ‘meat’. |
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“We
want truth in advertising…we don’t want them to use the word ‘beef’”, says
one Missouri cattleman. “And we don’t want them to say ‘This is a
hamburger.’” |
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The
stage is set for a mighty legal showdown as ‘new meats’ fight back. “Plant-based
meat is meat…It’s just meat produced in a different way,” argues the
substitute meat lobby, which is suing Missouri for breaching the US
Constitution. “It’s rank protectionism…It’s something you’d expect out of
North Korea, not in the United States of America.” |
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In
High Steaks, Craig Reucassel rides with Texas cowboys who decry the “fakery”,
visits the Silicon Valley labs driving this food revolution and persuades
hard core, mid-west carnivores to take a blind taste test, with surprising
results. |
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For
Craig, it boils down to one question: ‘Cattle, soy, cells or beet. Will it
really matter if it tastes like meat?’ |
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Woman on horse at rodeo |
Music |
00:00 |
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CRAIG
REUCASSEL: Welcome to America, where the cattle and the
cowboys have always been the backbone of the nation. But are they facing the
end of an era? |
00:10 |
Man selling ribs at festival |
MAN AT ROCK'N
RIBS FESTIVAL: We got everything…
Beef, chicken, ribs. We're the only place for ribs in Rock'n Ribs. |
00:23 |
Plant meat manufacture/ Craig peers into microscope |
CRAIG
REUCASSEL: As global demand for meet soars, billion dollar start-ups are
taking on the meat industry. They're making meat with plants. And growing
meat in labs, cell by cell. |
00:32 |
Cells under microscope |
VITOR SANTO:
So you don't see necessarily like a steak or a chicken breast growing in the
culture. |
00:44 |
Simpson calls cattle |
BOBBY
SIMPSON: “Cows, Cows, Cows, Cows…” |
00:49 |
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CRAIG REUCASSEL: The
cattlemen call it fake meat, and say it will kill their traditions. |
00:55 |
Craig with 'Flash' Cockrell |
'FLASH' COCKRELL: This is cattle country. This is what God
made this country for, is to raise cattle. |
01:02 |
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CRAIG REUCASSEL: It's a
battle for the future of food. |
01:06 |
Craig holds 'chicken' nugget with Josh in lab |
Craig: "And this is
worth how much, this chicken nugget?" |
01:08 |
Craig eats 'chicken' nugget and gags |
Josh Hyman: "We say
roughly around a hundred dollars." CRAIG REUCASSEL: But will
this new meat pass the ultimate test. Craig: [gags]… "No,
only kidding." |
01:10 |
Drone over cattle grazing. Title: |
Music |
01:18 |
Super: |
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01:24 |
Craig to camera by cows. Super: |
CRAIG
REUCASSEL: These cows are quite curious about what I’m doing here, because
I'm here to look in to the industry that they're involved in. It's facing
massive challenges from multi-billion dollar investments into new technology
that's trying to take their job. Their job as our food. Because the big
question here in America at the moment is 'What is meat?' |
01:30 |
KB Carter ranch. Workers
saddle horses and prepare for muster |
Music |
01:52 |
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CRAIG
REUCASSEL: Dawn at the KB Carter ranch
in Texas has started pretty much like this since the 1880s. A small tornado
hurtled through last night, and the team have a wet muster ahead of them. |
02:01 |
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Texas is still
the biggest cattle state in the US. And it’s still the home of the cowboy and
the occasional cowbelle. |
02:21 |
Cowboys muster cattle |
Music |
02:29 |
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CRAIG
REUCASSEL: Cattle are a foundation stone of the American story. For
centuries, this is how we humans have grown meat. But times are changing, and
the cowboy’s future is threatened by a hi-tech revolution. |
02:39 |
Craig with 'Flash' Cockrell |
This is
‘Flash’ Cockrell – he’s the ranch manager, and he doubts taking a few cow
cells and growing them in a lab can replace the real thing. |
03:02 |
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CRAIG
REUCASSEL: With this cell based meat, do you think it’s meat? |
03:19 |
Super: |
'FLASH'
COCKRELL, Ranch Manager: No, I don't.
No it’s not meat. Meat is naturally on the animal. It’s protein, but it’s not
meat. |
03:23 |
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CRAIG
REUCASSEL: Do you think it'd be a shame for America to lose its kind of link
to this industry? |
03:30 |
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'FLASH'
COCKRELL: Oh yeah, absolutely, this is part of our heritage and it's good to
have people managing the land. These are meat animals – in the US,
especially, you know, we still love meat. |
03:35 |
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CRAIG
REUCASSEL: Would I ever catch you eating a plant-based burger? 'FLASH'
COCKRELL: Not that I know of. If you do – they tricked me! (laughs) |
03:53 |
Golden Gate Bridge. Craig driving to San Francisco |
Music |
04:01 |
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CRAIG
REUCASSEL: The reinvention of meat in America is happening thousands of
kilometres to the west of Texas -- in Silicon Valley. |
04:11 |
Silicon Valley driving shots |
This enclave
of San Francisco has a reputation for shaking things up. We’ve already had
its digital disruption, and now, they're getting ready for 'meat disruption'. |
04:24 |
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In this
scientific hub they‘re trying to remove the cow from the burger. |
04:41 |
Craig visits Impossible Foods |
It may sound
like ‘Mission Impossible’, but to them it’s just Impossible Foods. |
04:46 |
Craig walks with Nick Halla to lab |
NICK
HALLA: "We’re in over 7,000
restaurants now…" CRAIG
REUCASSEL: These guys are the new masters of non-meat meat -- made entirely
of plants, yet aimed squarely at carnivores. Nick Halla started with
Impossible Foods when it began eight years ago. |
04:51 |
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NICK HALLA,
Impossible Foods: So this is where we
can take all the ideas and we'll test it at a really small scale. What
actually is driving the flavour, aroma creation? |
05:05 |
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CRAIG
REUCASSEL: Fuelled by half a billion dollars in investments, some from Bill
Gates, Nick says this is where the future is being made. |
05:15 |
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NICK
HALLA: If you look closely there might
be some new products out there… CRAIG
REUCASSEL: I can't tell what any of it is. |
05:22 |
Manufacturing machinery |
CRAIG
REUCASSEL: And the company has a clear ambition driving it’s discoveries. |
05:27 |
Nick Halla interview. Super: |
NICK
HALLA: So Impossible Foods was created
to build the technology to solve one of the greatest challenges that we face
as a civilisation today: How do we keep feeding the growing population while
maintaining and enhancing our land and our environment? |
05:31 |
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We’re using
animals right now and animals are extremely inefficient. And so a cow in the
US, as a technology – is really the way we're using it – is a three percent
efficient technology. |
05:44 |
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CRAIG
REUCASSEL: What does that mean? What does three percent efficiency cow mean? |
05:54 |
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NICK
HALLA: For every calorie, every gram
of protein we put into a cow, we consume three percent out of that as meat. |
05:57 |
Manufacturing machinery |
CRAIG
REUCASSEL: Impossible's in-house research is making some big claims. |
06:04 |
Nick Halla 100% |
NICK
HALLA: We use 96% less land than meat
from a cow, 89% less greenhouse gas emissions, 87% less water than meat from
a cow. |
06:09 |
Soy into machinery. Super: |
CRAIG
REUCASSEL: Soy burgers aren’t new, but the latest science is delivering a
product engineered to taste exactly like meat. |
06:19 |
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NICK HALLA: We
are 100% aiming at the most stringent meat lovers of the world. Those are the
ones we have to convert over to a more sustainable system. |
06:27 |
Nick Halla 100% |
We started in
July 2011, and the first two years were all just basic research –
understanding what actually makes meat, fish and dairy foods taste so
absolutely delicious. |
06:38 |
Soy into machinery |
They learned
there’s one protein in meat, |
06:48 |
Nick Halla 100% |
a protein
called ‘heme’ that delivers all that chemistry as you cook. You can think
about this as, in our blood we have haemoglobin. It takes oxygen from our
lungs to our organs and our muscles. |
06:54 |
Leghaemoglobin being poured from flask |
We use a
protein called ‘leghaemoglobin’, where that heme, which drives all that
flavour chemistry, is identical.' CRAIG
REUCASSEL: So where do you get your heme from? NICK
HALLA: We found it in legumes. So in
the root system of soybeans. |
07:05 |
Impossible Foods scientists at work |
CRAIG
REUCASSEL: Scientists here, and at
other start-ups around the world, are building entirely new foods.
Impossible’s newest formulation uses specially designed soy protein; coconut
oil; potato protein -- and their ‘Eureka’ discovery –heme – which they can
now manufacture in huge quantities using genetically modified yeast. Heavily
patent-protected, it looks like hamburger and it even bleeds. |
07:17 |
Burger production line |
Music |
07:50 |
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NICK
HALLA: Well what is meat? There’s
coconut meat, there’s beef, there’s pork, there’s all kinds of different
types of meat. |
07:54 |
Nick Halla 100% |
Really, what
it is, is a profile of fats, proteins and nutrients that consumers are
looking for and a performance in food. |
08:00 |
Aerial. San Francisco |
Music |
08:07 |
Craig driving, San Francisco |
CRAIG
REUCASSEL: What is meat -- that really is the question. Does meat even have
to grow on an animal? |
08:13 |
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Across town,
science fiction is meeting reality. |
08:24 |
Brian Spears at New Age Meats HQ |
Brian Spears
is head of a start-up using stem cells to make muscle you can eat, without
killing the animal. |
08:28 |
Sausage cooking demo |
His company,
New Age Meats, made a sensation last September when they had a pork sausage
cook-up, with meat grown entirely in a laboratory. |
08:40 |
Jessie the pig |
And the
invited crowd was introduced to Jessie, the pig that provided cells for the
meat, and lived to tell the tale. |
08:50 |
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CRAIG
REUCASSEL: Do you have any cell-based pork sausage for me to try? |
08:56 |
Brian Spears interview. Super: |
BRIAN SPEARS,
CEO New Age Meats: That’s going to be
an unfortunate ‘no’. |
08:59 |
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CRAIG
REUCASSEL: How much would it be worth?
How much is one of those sausages worth at the moment? BRIAN SPEARS:
Worth? Well, our cost of production right now is $190 dollars. |
09:05 |
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CRAIG
REUCASSEL: 190 dollars for a sausage? BRIAN SPEARS:
For a 100 gram sausage, yes. CRAIG
REUCASSEL: Bargain. BRIAN SPEARS:
Yeah. |
09:12 |
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The real
challenge of the industry is dropping the cost down and scaling up the
production. So that’s what we’re working on now. |
09:17 |
Brian and Craig with Nick Legendre in lab |
BRIAN
SPEARS: And here's Nick. He's our
interim CSO. CRAIG REUCASSEL: I don't
want to ruin the whole process. |
09:22 |
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CRAIG
REUCASSEL: I’m interested to know what the cells look like, and scientist
Nick Legendre can show me. |
09:28 |
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NICK
LEGENDRE: So this is just a small
flask of mammalian cells that we're working with. CRAIG
REUCASSEL: All right. |
09:33 |
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NICK LEGENDRE:
So you can see those small kind of roundish looking things? They’re the actual cells they’re growing,
they’re attached to the bottom of the plate, and they’re growing in there.
And that yellowish liquid, that’s called culture media, that has nutrients
that keep the cells well-fed and happy. |
09:38 |
Microscope/Petri dish |
CRAIG
REUCASSEL: Growing cells outside an animal is tricky; there’s no blood to
feed them. Ironically, for a product that’s called clean slaughter-free meat,
most companies are currently using FBS - or foetal bovine serum. |
09:53 |
Brian Spears interview |
BRIAN
SPEARS: You note that’s not an ideal
situation. Right now, it’s a by-product of animal agriculture. So round eight
percent of the cows that go to slaughter are pregnant. And so they find that
they’re pregnant, they’re like, okay, well this by-product is this foetal
bovine serum, which then goes into tissue culture. And so we need to quickly
move away from that system, just do better science and make better products. |
10:08 |
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CRAIG
REUCASSEL: How close are you to a product that could be rolled out into
restaurants or supermarkets? BRIAN
SPEARS: So we’re about two and a half
years away from that, yeah. |
10:30 |
Craig driving |
Music |
10:37 |
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CRAIG
REUCASSEL: Cell based meat is a hot destination for investors, and I’ve been
promised I can taste some of the product at |
10:43 |
Craig into JUST Inc. |
another
rapidly expanding company. This is JUST Inc., also backed by Bill Gates,
along with Hong Kong magnate Li Ka Shing and others -- with two hundred and fifty million
dollars. It makes plant-based food,
and is also now moving into lab grown meat. |
10:49 |
Craig greets
Josh Tetrick |
Co-founder and
CEO Josh Tetrick is on a mission. |
11:09 |
Josh Tetrick interview. Super: |
JOSH TETRICK,
CEO JUST Inc.: I grew up in Birmingham Alabama. I grew up on Burger King
chicken sandwiches and grew up in a very meat-centric culture. I think the
idea of eating well -- which I would define really simply, food that tastes
good, food that is healthy, food that is good for the planet, and food that
people can afford -- should be a basic right. |
11:14 |
Craig with Vitor in lab. Looks into microscope |
CRAIG
REUCASSEL: Can I have a little look through. VITOR
SANTO: Sure. |
11:324 |
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CRAIG REUCASSEL:
Down in the lab, JUST is focussing its energies on cell cultured meat. Vitor Santo
heads up cell agriculture. VITOR SANTO,
Cellular Agriculture, JUST Inc.: The cells are invisible to our eyes, |
11:27 |
Super: |
so you don’t
see it necessarily like a steak or a chicken breast growing in the culture,
right? CRAIG
REUCASSEL: He’s currently developing wagyu beef cells for hamburgers. |
11:46 |
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CRAIG
REUCASSEL: So you take this and you put it in a kind of a machine that then
grows it. Is it one of those machines over there? Are we allowed to look at
that? VITOR
SANTO: Yeah, unfortunately no. CRAIG
REUCASSEL: No? VITOR
SANTO: No it’s a little bit- CRAIG
REUCASSEL: It’s the IP, okay, okay. |
11:57 |
Cells under microscope |
CRAIG
REUCASSEL: Over the next 10 years, cell based and plant based alternative
meats are expected to capture 10 percent of the global meat market -- a cut worth around two hundred billion
dollars. |
12:08 |
Josh Tetrick interview |
CRAIG
REUCASSEL: You seem to be motivated by the ethical background of this, are
your investors also motivated by that, or are they just motivated by profit? |
12:21 |
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JOSH TETRICK,
CEO JUST Inc.: I’m sure some are, and some aren’t. We have like 135 of them, so
collectively though, they're motivated to make an industry better and figure
out a way to make money from making an industry better. |
12:28 |
Josh Hyman with Craig. |
JOSH HYMAN,
Product Development, JUST Inc: There it
is. CRAIG
REUCASSEL: Up in the test kitchen, I’m about to taste one of the first
chicken nuggets ever made in a laboratory. |
12:39 |
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CRAIG
REUCASSEL: So this is the nugget. JOSH HYMAN:
That is our chicken nugget. CRAIG
REUCASSEL: And this is worth how much, this chicken nugget? JOSH HYMAN:
How much is the chicken nugget? We say roughly around $100 right now. CRAIG
REUCASSEL: $100, okay. JOSH HYMAN:
For right now. CRAIG
REUCASSEL: No pressure, |
12:50 |
Super: |
don’t mess
this up. JOSH
HYMAN: It's better than the $250,000 burger
they had a few years ago. |
13:01 |
Josh cooks nugget |
CRAIG
REUCASSEL: The chicken cell protein there, does it have to be pushed
together? JOSH HYMAN: So
we actually utilise our mung bean protein as a scaffolding system for this. |
13:06 |
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CRAIG REUCASSEL:
So it's got the cell based chicken and it's got the mung bean. JOSH
HYMAN: Yeah, because it just adds a
little bit of extra texture to it. |
13:15 |
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CRAIG
REUCASSEL: You call it cultured chicken. JOSH
HYMAN: Cultured chicken. Because a lot
of the process is very similar to how wine is made, how beer is made… |
13:21 |
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And here we
are! CRAIG
REUCASSEL: That's looking good. JOSH
HYMAN: So I'm just going to let that
sit and relax for a minute. |
13:28 |
Craig samples nugget |
CRAIG
REUCASSEL: It looks very similar to a nugget. |
13:39 |
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CRAIG
REUCASSEL: V/O: And now, my guinea pig
moment has arrived. CRAIG: [gags]… "No,
only kidding." |
13:49 |
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JOSH HYMAN:
What do you think? CRAIG
REUCASSEL: It tastes like a nugget. JOSH HYMAN:
You’re joining a very select group. CRAIG
REUCASSEL: It tastes like chicken nugget. Wow! That is amazing. JOSH
HYMAN: That’s because it’s made with
chicken. |
14:00 |
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CRAIG
REUCASSEL: JUST is hoping the nuggets will be on the market later this year,
and they know they have to get over a 'yuck factor'. Some have tagged
lab-grown meat ‘frankenfoods’. |
14:12 |
Josh Tetrick interview |
JOSH
TETRICK: When we think about the
anxiety that some of this causes, it really is important to look back in
history, and realise that whether a car, whether milk, whether a smartphone
-- it's funny-- if it provides a better thing for a person,
right? If it makes it easier to live the life that they want, people have a
way of getting around it. |
14:23 |
St Louis GVs |
Music |
14:50 |
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CRAIG REUCASSEL: The state of Missouri is the scene of the first
battle in the new meat wars. Historically, it was the gateway to the Wild
West. But this year, the city of St Louis was the frontier for one of the New
Meats. There’s no cell based meat on the market yet, but plant based is already
causing a stir. And
Impossible’s latest formula went on trial at 59 Burger Kings in St Louis. |
14:56 |
Craig into Burger King |
I decided to
test it myself. |
15:21 |
Craig orders burgers |
CRAIG
REUCASSEL: "Can I just get a Whopper and one of the Impossible
Whoppers please. One of each… Are you selling a lot of the Impossible
Whoppers?" |
15:30 |
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BURGER KING
EMPLOYEE: "We sold out twice.” |
15:42 |
Craig samples burgers |
CRAIG
REUCASSEL: The trial has gone so well it’s being rolled out nationally. With around 60% of America’s beef being
ground beef, burgers are a huge market to crack. So could I tell the
difference? |
15:45 |
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CRAIG
REUCASSEL: “Tastes like a burger. Looks a bit different, but you know, when
has a burger ever looked good? There’s a slight difference, but as to which
one tastes more like meat, you can’t really tell. Does this mean I’m going to
have to eat two burgers?" |
16:03 |
Rock'n Ribs festival GVs |
CRAIG
REUCASSEL: But I wondered how it will go down with hard core carnivores? And
for that you can’t go past the Rock'n Ribs festival in Springfield, Missouri. |
16:26 |
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MAN AT
FESTIVAL: "We have the meat that
you can't beat." |
16:35 |
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CRAIG
REUCASSEL: This is an annual meat mecca, where samples of Missouri’s famous
barbecued meat are handed out for free. |
16:41 |
Rib spruiker |
MAN AT ROCK'N
RIBS FESTIVAL: We got everything…
Beef, chicken, ribs. We're the only place for ribs in Rock'n Ribs. |
17:00 |
Festivalgoers line up for ribs |
CRAIG
REUCASSEL: Americans eat around 12 billion kilos of beef a year – and most of
it looks like it’s here. Chicken, pork or ribs -- consumption’s going up, and
because of intensive farming practices, the price is kept low. |
17:09 |
Cooks take meat trays to judges |
Music |
17:22 |
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CRAIG
REUCASSEL: Some of the stalls are competing for best cooked meat, and take
trays up to the experts for judging. It’s a serious affair. I wondered how a
plant burger would go amongst this lot? Surely they couldn’t be fooled? |
17:27 |
Craig in supermarket buying Beyond Meat burgers |
So I whizzed
out to get some. In amongst the meat shelves I found Beyond Meat – another
hi-tech soy product aiming for the meat market. It recently listed on the stock exchange at
$36.00 a share, and quickly rocketed up to be a multi-billion dollar company. |
17:40 |
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CRAIG
REUCASSEL: "Look at that, Impossible Burger. That could have fooled me.
Let's see if it'll fool some experts." |
17:59 |
Craig cooking burgers |
Music
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18:06 |
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CRAIG
REUCASSEL: Its heme oozes out as the
burger cooks. Fake blood for your fake meat! |
18:14 |
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“Look at this
one. Look at the blood coming out… Beautiful. |
18:19 |
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Look at that. WOMAN:
"They're cooking a little bit better now. CRAIG
REUCASSEL: "I know, thanks for your tips." |
18:22 |
Craig walks with plate of burgers |
CRAIG
REUCASSEL: I think we're ready for the test. |
18:27 |
Couple at festival sample burgers |
WOMAN EATING
BURGER: "It's actually really
good." CRAIG
REUCASSEL: "What do you think?" WOMAN EATING
BURGER: It's good. CRAIG
REUCASSEL: "Does it taste like beef?" WOMAN EATING
BURGER: "It tastes like hamburger." CRAIG
REUCASSEL: "It tastes like hamburger." |
18:32 |
Guys and young woman sample burgers |
"There's
not a single animal – this is a plant based one." YOUNG MAN
EATING BURGER: "No way!” CRAIG
REUCASSEL: "Does it taste like meat you reckon?" YOUNG MAN EATING
BURGER: "It's good. I'd eat it, for sure. Delicious." |
18:41 |
Craig takes burgers into judging hall |
CRAIG
REUCASSEL: Well, that was pretty surprising, but will this imposter fool the
judges? |
18:53 |
With Autumn and David sampling burgers |
CRAIG
REUCASSEL: "So I want to get some expert advice on these burgers,
okay?" |
18:57 |
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CRAIG
REUCASSEL: Autumn Suckow and her husband David agreed to judge our ‘special
burgers’. Surely these multi-award winners would pick it? |
19-02 |
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AUTUMN
SUCKOW: Mm, very good. You did great
with just salt and pepper, that’s awesome! Sometimes the basics are the
best.” |
19:14 |
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CRAIG
REUCASSEL: “Now, would it surprise you
guys if I told you that this was 100% plant based? There’s no meat in
that." DAVID
SUCKOW: “That would surprise me,
actually.” AUTUMN SUCKOW:
"That would surprise me, because I'm a carnivore." DAVID SUCKOW:
"It's fantastic." |
19:21 |
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CRAIG
REUCASSEL: "I’m a carnivore too." DAVID SUCKOW:
"Absolutely. May I?" CRAIG
REUCASSEL: Yeah, go." AUTUMN
SUCKOW: "It's very good. I'm
going to steal some of this right here, actually." DAVID SUCKOW:
"That's very tasty." |
19:31 |
Driving shots |
CRAIG
REUCASSEL: With reactions like that, it’s not surprising the traditional meat
industry is worried – and Missouri was the first state to kick back against
these meats that don’t use animals. I’ve arranged to talk to their cattlemen,
deep in the heart of this mid-western state, down in the Ozark ranges. |
19:40 |
Craig drives with Bobby Simpson |
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20:02 |
Simpson calls cattle |
BOBBY
SIMPSON: “Cows, Cows, Cows, Cows…” |
20:12 |
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CRAIG
REUCASSEL: Bobby Simpson comes from a long line of ranchers, and he wants the
family tradition to continue. |
20:16 |
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BOBBY SIMPSON,
MISSOURI CATTLEMEN'S ASSOCIATION: I
think I’m a fifth generation and that makes my son the sixth and then his
sons or daughters will be the seventh. |
20:25 |
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CRAIG
REUCASSEL: Bobby heads up the Missouri Cattlemen’s Association, and they’re
leading the charge against the new
meats. |
20:34 |
Simpson and Craig in field |
BOBBY
SIMPSON: We were proactive; we were
the first state in the union to pass legislation on this what we call ‘fake
meat’. |
20:41 |
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CRAIG
REUCASSEL: This meat labelling law could prevent alternative meats from using
words like burger and sausages. |
20:49 |
Super: |
BOBBY
SIMPSON: We’re not opposed to new
products. I want to make that clear, because we are a country of free
enterprise, and I like that. But we want people to know what they’re buying.
We want truth in advertising. We want labels that say where these products
came from or how they’re made. |
20:55 |
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CRAIG
REUCASSEL: What are the particular words you’re worried about? Is it the term
meat? I mean if somebody says plant-based meat, are you fine with that? BOBBY
SIMPSON: We don’t want them to use
'beef'. CRAIG
REUCASSEL: Beef, so beef’s... BOBBY SIMPSON:
And we don’t want them to say, “This is hamburger”. |
21:14 |
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CRAIG
REUCASSEL: But if beef was grown in a lab, isn’t that beef? BOBBY SIMPSON:
I don’t think it’s beef. It’s meat. |
21:26 |
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We do not want
them to call it beef, because that’s our term, those are our products out
there that you’re affecting when you’re using our good name to sell your
product. That’s what we don’t want. |
21:34 |
Driving shots |
CRAIG
REUCASSEL: Missouri is one of the country’s biggest agricultural states, and
up in the capital legislators are defending their laws to protect their
‘sacred’ cows. |
21:44 |
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CHRISTIAN
RADIO: "We begin with the truth
of all truths; the truth about God." |
21:59 |
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CRAIG
REUCASSEL: This is a God-fearing community. Aside from the Almighty, they
honour the flag, the family and free enterprise. |
22:04 |
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And in the
spring, when the woods burst with blossom and dogwood, it’s time for hunting
and fishing. |
22:11 |
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CHRISTIAN
RADIO: "And yet God cannot be silenced…" |
22:17 |
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CRAIG
REUCASSEL: They have a heart-felt sense there’s a natural order to the
world. |
22:20 |
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CHRISTIAN
RADIO: "Because in the heart, in the humanity of every one of us is this
need to know God." |
22:24 |
Interior. Jefferson City State House |
CRAIG
REUCASSEL: When I arrived at the State House in Jefferson City, the session
was just starting. |
22:33 |
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SPEAKER:
"May we stand forth with the historic members of the past, who achieved righteousness,
tamed wickedness and contributed to the ethics of their day." |
22:41 |
Jeff Knight in legislature |
CRAIG REUCASSEL: Representative
Jeff Knight sponsored the meat labelling Bill. |
22:50 |
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SPEAKER: “And the House
says Amen.” |
22:53 |
Jeff Knight interview. Super: |
JEFF KNIGHT,
Missouri House of Representatives:
Well, my argument there would be our farmers and ranchers grow these
cattle like God intended them to be grown, through a food chain, being given
the proper nutrition, taken care of well, and then harvested, production,
processed, and given back to the public. |
22:56 |
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CRAIG
REUCASSEL: Missouri led the way on this legislation to define what meat is.
Why did that happen in Missouri? |
23:16 |
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JEFF
KNIGHT: Several years ago our dairy
industry in the United States got hit really hard with soy milk and almond
milk. In turn, it has killed the dairy industry all over the United States,
but especially in Missouri. |
23:24 |
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CRAIG
REUCASSEL: What are the cattlemen most worried about? |
23:38 |
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JEFF KNIGHT:
We just want them to be labelled correctly. |
23:41 |
Knight shows picture to Craig of Beyond Chicken Strips |
CRAIG
REUCASSEL: Jeff’s got an example of the type of labelling he says the law is
trying to prevent. |
23:43 |
|
JEFF KNIGHT:
There’s the actual picture of the package of chicken tenders with a picture
of a chicken. |
23:48 |
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CRAIG
REUCASSEL: It says Beyond Chicken Strips, lightly seasoned. Yeah, okay, and
plant based is right down the bottom. JEFF
KNIGHT: And there was no chicken in
the package at all. |
23:53 |
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CRAIG
REUCASSEL: So that’s the sort of thing you’re trying to stop? You think
people are- |
24:03 |
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JEFF KNIGHT:
We just want the consumers to know exactly what they are getting. |
24:05 |
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CRAIG
REUCASSEL: Twenty-five other states are now bringing in meat protection
laws And the alternative meats
industry is fighting back. They’re suing Missouri and I’ve come up to
Washington to find out more about the battle. |
24:08 |
Craig walks with Friedrichs in Washington |
Bruce
Friedrichs heads up a not-for-profit called the Good Food Institute – it’s a
party to the legal action. He calls it a meat censorship law that's violating
the right to freedom of speech. |
24:29 |
Friedrich interview. Super: |
BRUCE
FRIEDRICH, CEO Good Food Institute:
Plant-based meat is meat, clean meat is meat. It’s just meat produced
in a different way. |
24:41 |
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CRAIG
REUCASSEL: And this is where the Bill comes in that says you can’t call it.
That in actual fact meat is something that comes off a slaughtered animal.
And that's what they're trying to stop you doing, is saying that this is actually meat. |
24:48 |
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BRUCE
FRIEDRICH: And it’s exactly the same
as if you said “This isn’t a camera; 99.9% of photographs are taken on this
thing. It’s a camera. Or it’s got a camera on it. |
24:57 |
|
The Missouri
legislation bans meat nomenclature, even if it says ‘plant based’, even if it
says ‘vegan’. And you can literally go to jail for a year for calling a
veggie burger a veggie burger. |
25:05 |
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CRAIG
REUCASSEL: Isn’t that fair enough? |
25:15 |
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BRUCE
FRIEDRICH: Well no, it’s rank protectionism. It’s basically a command and
control economy. It’s something you would expect out of North Korea, not in
the United States of America. They are afraid to try to compete on a level playing
field with these products. |
25:18 |
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CRAIG
REUCASSEL: But what about that packaging for Beyond Meat's chicken strips? |
25:35 |
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BRUCE
FRIEDRICH: It says “Beyond Meat”. Like
the biggest words on the package are Beyond Meat. |
25:39 |
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CRAIG
REUCASSEL: But couldn’t you think that that was a chicken product? |
25:44 |
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BRUCE
FRIEDRICH: I would be very surprised if anybody thought that was a chicken
product. |
25:46 |
Rodeo GVs |
CRAIG
REUCASSEL: I decided to check out if people would be fooled by such
packaging, and outside a rodeo was an ideal place. |
25:50 |
Craig with group of young men outside rodeo showing
plant based burgers |
CRAIG
REUCASSEL: "What about these chicken strips?" These dudes
were hanging out the back. |
26:01 |
|
“This product
here; have you guys ever eaten it? GUY 1:
"Yeah, it's a hamburger isn’t it? CRAIG
REUCASSEL: It's a hamburger?" GUY 1: "I
mean it's big." GUY 2:
"Oh, it's vegan." |
26:05 |
|
CRAIG
REUCASSEL: "Do you think that you could get confused and buy that in a
ship if it was next to the other burgers?" GUY 2:
"Probably, I just grab and throw." CRAIG
REUCASSEL: "You don’t do a lot of reading when you pick it up?" GUY 2:
"Nah man, if it looks like a burger, it’s going in!" |
26:13 |
|
GUY 1:
"Is it real?" CRAIG
REUCASSEL: "What do you think?" GUY 1:
"Is it real beef? Or is it vegetables? To be honest with you man, I
wouldn’t eat it." CRAIG
REUCASSEL: "You wouldn’t eat it?" GUY 1: "I
wouldn't even look at it." CRAIG
REUCASSEL: "See, it's vegan burgers. You wouldn't eat it?" |
26:27 |
|
GUY 1: "I
wouldn't touch it." CRAIG
REUCASSEL: "Why's that?" GUY 2:
“Because we want that one right over there." |
26:39 |
Cutaway to cattle in pen |
CRAIG
REUCASSEL: Turns out these blokes do want to know what type of meat they’re
buying. "What
about, |
26:44 |
Return to Craig with two guys outside rodeo |
they're
talking about growing meat – like meat actually from an animal, but doing it
in a lab. So it doesn't come off the body of an animal. It just gets grown in
a kind of dish. It gets grown from cells. So it's actually the same as meat.
Would you eat that?" |
26:48 |
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GUY 1: No sir. With the lab and the growing it,
you don’t know what they’re putting into it. So straight off the hoof is
best. |
27:02 |
Craig driving to feedlot |
CRAIG
REUCASSEL: While these guys might prefer ‘Off the hoof’, I wonder if most
Americans know how their meat is actually produced. Factory farming and
feedlots face significant criticism on environmental and welfare grounds. |
27:09 |
Craig at feedlot with worker |
CRAIG
REUCASSEL: "We're from Australian TV, Australian Broadcasting
Corporation…" The cowboys
here don’t ride horses and aren’t so camera-friendly. |
27:24 |
|
"How
big's this particular place? How many cattle head have you got here?" |
27:32 |
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MAN: We got 4700 right here. CRAIG
REUCASSEL: "4700." |
27:36 |
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MAN: "Who you with again?" CRAIG
REUCASSEL: "Australian Broadcasting Corporation." We weren’t
welcome to film inside. "We're
with a show called Foreign Correspondent." |
27:38 |
Craig to camera |
CRAIG
REUCASSEL: In the United States, nine out of ten cows don't finish their life
on the ranch. They're taken to feedlots, like this one in Missouri, and
intensively fed to fatten them up before slaughter. Now this is
only a small one here, this is a tiny operation, but around America 40 per
cent of meat comes from feedlots like this |
27:44 |
Drone shots over feedlots |
– but with
32,000 head of cattle or more on them – huge industrial scale operations. For all their
size, the cattle industry defends feedlots, saying that they're efficient,
produce high quality meat, and that the animals are well looked after. As for
methane emissions – they claim they're overstated. |
28:04 |
Craig with Simpson in field |
Do you think
that the new change in this debate that threatens you is the climate change
debate? I guess the methane emissions from cows? BOBBY
SIMPSON: Well, I think that that's
just kind of a fraud on our consumers that we're putting out these emissions.
Before we had cattle, we had a million herds of buffalo, and they put out the
same kind of emissions, |
28:24 |
|
and I think agriculture
really, in the big picture of things, is very minute in putting bad things
into the environment. |
28:47 |
Friedrich interview |
BRUCE
FRIEDRICH: Well, you're not going to
find an environmental scientist, or anyone outside of the beef industry itself,
that will tell you that the beef industry is environmentally friendly for any
reason, including that one. |
28:56 |
Simpson with children. Boy feeds calf |
Music |
29:09 |
Boy on corral fence |
BOBBY
SIMPSON: “What’s your name?" BOY:
"Rhett." BOBBY SIMPSON:
"Rhett, are you a cowboy?" BOY:
"Yes." BOBBY SIMPSON:
"What are you going to do when you grow up?" BOY:
"Work on the farm.” BOBBY SIMPSON:
"You're going to work on the farm are you?" |
29:16 |
Bobby Simpson with family members |
CRAIG
REUCASSEL: Bobby has a big investment in the future of the cattle industry.
And dressed in their Sunday best, so do the younger generations. |
29:28 |
Eagle over San Francisco |
CRAIG
REUCASSEL: These laboratories in San Francisco seem light years away from the
ranches of the mid-west, |
29:46 |
Craig to camera at lookout of San Francisco |
and yet they
are caught in this battle over our meat dollar. But can these disruptors
convince us that their products are not only better for the environment, or
animals, or health, but also that they’re normal and affordable and something
we can eat every day? Because in the end, what’s in a name? Cattle, soy,
cells or beet – will it really matter if it tastes like meat? |
29:50 |
Credit start over Golden Gate Bridge |
Music |
30:12 |
Outpoint after credits |
|
30:37 |
CREDITS
reporter
CRAIG
REUCASSEL
producer
DEBORAH
RICHARD
camera
RYAN
SHERIDAN
editor
GARTH
THOMAS
assistant
editor
TOM
CARR
supervising
producer
LISA
MCGREGOR
executive
producer
MATTHEW
CARNEY
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