FREELANCERS
with Bill Gentile
Original dialogue transcript – 54’42”
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It’s
a long, dark walk under the streets of Nogales, Mexico. |
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These
drainage tunnels prevent seasonal rains from flooding the streets above. They
also allow human and drug traffickers underground access from Mexico into the
United States. |
Voice
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It’s
not the kind of place you want to go for an afternoon stroll. Not without a
police escort, and lots of guns. |
Grillo |
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Cuanto, desde este punto hasta el otro lado? Cuando
tiempo es? Cuanta distancia es? (From
this point to the other (US) side, how much distance is that?) |
Comandante |
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Yo creo, la pared es … I
think, the wall is … |
Grillo |
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OK.
So this is pretty amazing here. You got this uh, so this is uh, the
comandante is showing us this is another tunnel … which is being found,
filled in with concrete. Now actually this line is almost the border into the
United States. Like right through here is the United States. We’re right up
on the border here. Under ground. So they made this
tunnel from here, and just take drugs right into the United States. Have
someone go down that side. Now this concrete, you can see was like poured in
by the Border Patrol. The BP there stands for Border Patrol. They reckon the
Border Patrol found it. So they poured in concrete from the United States
side, just poured it down and, you know, filled it up here. |
Gentile |
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And
they had to have some cooperation here from the Mexican authorities, I think,
because apparently they put a piece of something here to block this concrete
as it came down to stop it. |
Gentile |
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…so
there’s coordination between the two countries. |
Voice Over |
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Ioan Grillo is a
freelance journalist working for outlets including the New York Times, and Time
magazine. He’s not staff. Freelance means he proposes stories to media
outlets and they either buy his work – or not. or, an outlet contacts him to
request his coverage on some issue or event. Grillo is one member of a new
generation of freelance journalists increasingly filling the void left by
mainstream media retreating from news coverage abroad. As corporate media close
bureaus and cut staff around the world, it’s freelancers who take their
place. |
Grillo |
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OK.
So this is a drainage tunnel from the United States that goes into Mexico.
Now the issue is, is you have in this area, one city which crosses the
border. However, drug smugglers would use these to smuggle drugs into the
United States. |
Grillo |
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It
smells pretty funky down here right now. Hee hee. This area is also used for sewage. |
Voice Over |
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Grillo
has covered drug trafficking in Mexico for 15 years. But even he didn’t fully
understand the impact of this border on the lives of people living in its
shadow. We’ll follow him as he reveals those hidden stories on both sides of
this frontier. |
Grillo |
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Wow.
You can see a pretty long tunnel going right into the United States. You can
see something else, there are kind of holes in there. You can see there’s
something else which is a way to potentially move drugs. |
Voice Over |
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Photojournalist
Patrick Tombola is based in Venice, Italy. He’s making photos which he’ll try
to sell to The New York Times. Like Grillo, Tombola is a dedicated,
determined and tech-savvy professional putting everything on the line to live
life his way. His last job with Grillo was this story on El Salvador for Time
magazine. |
Grillo |
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You’ve
got two metal gates and you’ve got a lighted area and you’ve got some very
extensive equipment here. |
Voice Over |
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Grillo
and Tombola are here to bring us the information we need to make crucial
decisions about our lives and the world we live in. It’s important to
understand who these journalists are and how they work. the places they take
us, and the people we meet. |
Grillo |
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This
is some kind of defense so you couldn’t just drill up from here into the
United States. |
Gentile |
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The
United States begins there. En esta
linea aqui…Now, I’m in
Mexico. This is the line separating the two countries. And now I can step
back into the United States. Just like that. Increible.
Increible. |
Gentile |
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Perdon, la marcha va para alla, no? |
Unidentified woman |
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Si. |
Gentile |
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No
has visto a Gerardo Carrillo? |
Unidentifiedwoman |
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No. |
Voice Over |
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Mexico
is where I started my career, right out of graduate school. It was here that I
began working as a freelance foreign correspondent forty years ago. |
Voice Over |
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And
I’m looking for Gerardo Carrillo, a friend and colleague from my days of covering
Mexico and Central America for United Press International and Newsweek
magazine. Like me, Carrillo started out as a freelancer. He later founded the
video unit for the Associated Press in Mexico. Today he’s a critical link
between freelancers like myself, and stories on the ground. |
Gentile |
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Gerardo. |
Gentile |
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Que
tal? |
Gentile |
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Todo bien? |
Carrillo |
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Todo perfecto. |
Voice Over |
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Carrillo
can cover this march as a one-man band, or what I call, a backpack
journalist, because of technology. Instead of the larger, more expensive
cameras he used to lug around in the 1980s, he now uses gear that is
smaller, lighter and cheaper. And he
can do the job himself, without assistants. |
Gentile |
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The
people behind me, these journalists, this is the grassroots level of
journalism in places like Mexico, and I would venture to say, in a lot of
places around Latin America. They are young. They are idealistic. They are
hard-working. They are probably underpaid, under-protected, not well
supported by their employers. I don’t
know how many are freelancers or full timers. These are the kind of people
who get out there, this is where the news, the information begins to flow
from. From people who are doing stuff like this. At the very, very bottom
level of news and information gathering. |
Voice Over |
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V.O.
It’s not just technology that’s changed here. So has Mexico. The country has
mutated from a generally peaceful place, to a violent, lethal place where el narco, or, drug traffickers, are engaged in what some
call, an insurgency. |
Voice Over |
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Experts
say at least a 175,000 people have died in Mexico’s decade-old drug war.
Another 28,000 have disappeared. |
Voice Over |
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Caught
in the jaws of this carnage are the journalists who cover it. Today, Mexico
is one of the worst countries in the world to be a journalist. More than 100
journalists have been murdered here since the year 2000. Twenty-five others
have disappeared and are presumed dead. |
Voice Over |
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Of
all the journalists killed in Mexico’s drug war, none is a foreigner. All are
Mexican. Perhaps the narcos understand that killing
a foreign journalist might be bad for business. Whenever things get too hot
for foreign journalists like me, we can run to the airport, whip out a
foreign passport, and head home. But Mexican journalists can’t do that.
Because they already are home. |
Voice Over |
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On
a laptop computer, Carrillo edits his video of this women’s rights march
before transmitting the material to the Associated Press in Washington. This
was unthinkable when I first came to this country in 1977. |
Voice Over |
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As
I watch Carrillo toil away at his craft, I’m reminded how much freelancers
like me depend on people like him. For the work they do at the grassroots
level of journalism. For the guidance they provide about navigating their
country and their people. |
Voice Over |
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This
man’s story is all-too-common in Mexico. About twice as many women die during
child birth in Mexico as in the United States. And the U.S. has the worst
rate of maternal mortality in the developed world. The numbers for infant
mortality in Mexico are just as bad. |
Voice Over |
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Janet
Jarman wants to help change that -- by making a
documentary film. |
Jarman |
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I’m
really interested in medicine and public health, and ancient traditions about
health. And I wanted to do a project that really showed how you could blend
traditional culture and modern medicine today and that’s how I got really
interested in midwives mostly as a way to tell this story because the midwives
are often right in the middle of this debate. |
Voice Over |
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Her
film explores conflicting visions between midwives and medical professionals
about how to provide a safe and dignified childbirth experience for women. |
Voice Over |
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I
followed Jarman to the violent state of Guerrero,
one of the locations where she’s shooting her documentary. She’s been working
on the film for over a year. Like many other freelancers working on
documentary projects, her film is funded by a major grant. |
Jarman |
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So
I put together a big proposal and thought about what is the complete story
here and how could I make a difference with this topic in the lives of women
and families. Um, and I applied for the grant and they gave it to me. And I
remember sitting on my sofa reading that email that day and thinking, ‘Wow!
This is really going to happen!’ And I’m just so grateful for this
opportunity to be able to do a story with this much depth. |
Voice Over |
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On
the road to Guerrero I asked her what it takes to be a freelancer. |
Jarman |
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I
think if you’re a freelance you need to have a really supportive home team
or, you know, personal life, people in your personal life who will support
this lifestyle. And then you make personal choices of how you want to live
and, you know, what you want to commit to in your life and what kind of
compromises you want to make. |
Voice Over |
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If
Gerardo Carrillo is part of the technology revolution that’s changing the tools
of our craft, Janet Jarman is part of the gender
revolution that’s changing the faces of our craft. |
Voice Over |
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She
started out as a photographer for the Miami Herald, but left to take a
Master’s Degree, then became a freelancer. Like so many photojournalists
enabled by technology, she began to work in video. |
Voice Over |
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Foreign
correspondence once was a field dominated by white, middle and upper-class
men. That’s no longer the case. |
Voice Over |
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Guerrero
is long considered one of Mexico’s most violent states. It’s especially known
for violence against women, who often show up dead in the street. Or they
just disappear. So working here, sometimes at night, with an all-female team,
on a story about women, really put me on edge. |
Voice Over |
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Jarman and her team
have spent the night in this hospital, where some women elect to give birth
with a midwife – but with backup support of hospital staff in case of
emergency. |
Jarman |
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The
birth was beautiful. It was very gentle. The pictures I have of the husband
and wife, and how she’s holding him and using him for support, and holding
hands. I mean there were so many touching moments. And what was fascinating
was why she chose this. Because when they come to this hospital the model is,
the women can choose, if she wants an institutional birth or if she wants to
come to this section of the hospital. And this woman had had an institutional
birth for her first child and she said that she felt very lonely. And this
time she thought she could have her husband in the room with her. And that
really meant a lot to her. And you could see it. |
Voice Over |
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Her
current project may be about the specific issue of childbirth, but overall
her work is about giving voice and face to the people of Mexico. |
Jarman |
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Mostly
I want people to have a connection with the subject. I want them to walk away
feeling like maybe they understand a person better. Or on a very deep, human
level. That people are not statistics. That they are real people with similar
problems, same emotions, basically the same human experience. |
Voice Over |
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Despite
the difficulties and the dangers of their craft, freelance foreign
correspondents like Jarman are driven by a deep
sense of purpose. If there’s a single thread that binds, or defines them all,
it’s the need to make a difference. |
Voice Over |
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Back
in Nogales with Ioan Grillo and his fixer Milton
Martinez, we explore the border fence with the United States. Things get a
bit sketchy here -- especially at night. |
Grillo |
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Ay,
do the reporters here follow the killings in Nogales? |
Martinez |
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Yes,
there are a lot of killings. |
Grillo |
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Are
there still a lot of executions?” |
Martinez |
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Yes,
here in the city the executions have never stopped. |
Voice Over |
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We
pulled up to a place along the border where U.S. officials – that’s the
United States on the other side of this fence – have set up a powerful light.
Milton says this area of the border is a hot zone for trafficking drugs and
people. |
Gentile |
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What
are these lights for, Ioan?” |
Grillo |
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This
is a light from the U.S. side of the border, to show people, so you can see
clearly if someone’s crossing, if someone climbs over the fence or tries to
drill a hole or run into the United States, then people can see it, with
lights showing, so you can’t hide under the cover of darkness. |
Martinez |
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This
is the way the U.S. government shows its power, because it used to be a very
quiet city. You remember? It used to be just one city. It was a brotherhood. |
Voice Over |
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Ioan spots a group
of men on our side of the border. They’re watching us. They don’t look
friendly. We’re careful not to point the camera in their direction. |
Grillo |
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So
what we came across here is a bunch of vehicles. Three, two big trucks. One
car right behind where the camera is. And some guys look like they were
trying to check out getting over the fence. They look like they might have
some merchandize. Maybe drugs in the car. And the reason they stopped here,
one of the guys wanted to check us out. Seeing who we are. They could
probably recognize we are journalists. They see we’re talking to a camera.
This varies in different parts of the border. How they’re gonna
react to you. In Nogales it’s more of
a chilled area. They’re less likely to be violent right away. In other parts
of Mexico they could be more aggressive a lot faster. |
Voice Over |
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Milton
is a classic example of what journalists call, a fixer. He was born and
raised here. He’s a reporter for a Mexican magazine. His other job is making
life easier – and safer -- for people like Ioan
Grillo and me. Here, he advises on what to do as we’re being watched. |
Martinez |
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In
the sicario
style, they don’t respect anything. |
Gentile |
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What’s
fascinating to me and alarming to me is that everybody here, every Mexican
here understanding what’s happening when three big vehicles like this pull up
next to the fence and, everybody knows that all this is going on. You know,
the drug trafficking, the jumping over the walls, the danger that exists from
these dark forces. And they live with that every day. And it seems to be
inescapable. In some places in the country. |
Grillo |
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Yeah,
I think so, yeah. You’ve got the force of an industry, the pull of money. So
why are those guys a few meters from us right now? Why they’re there. They’re
doing their job. Now, their job is trafficking drugs. But this, are economic
forces behind it. So, the White House carries out a survey every year, or a
report every year called, “what Americans spend on illegal drugs.” And that
report estimates that Americans spend one hundred billion dollars every year
on marijuana, heroin, cocaine and crystal meth. So when you have a hundred
billion dollars of money, and a product from this side of the fence is worth
so much and just by going to this side of the fence that product increases in
value massively. I mean think about a kilo of cocaine. A kilo of cocaine in
Colombia is bought for about two thousand dollars. When they get it over on
this side, it’s worth about thirty thousand dollars for that kilo. So, you’re
talking about for each dollar you invest, you get fifteen dollars back. And
that’s a better business than most people are in. So that’s the force of
money. |
Grillo |
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Now
that we left let’s see what these guys are doing. Are they back out the truck
or in the truck? |
Gentile |
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Yeah,
I think you may want to keep the camera down when we go by. |
Voice Over |
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Further
down this street, Ioan explores this abandoned
house, apparently used as a safe house by smugglers of drugs and human
beings. |
Gentile |
00:21:49 |
00:21:50 |
What
is this Ioan? |
Grillo |
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So
this is a house which is being seized by the Federal Attorney General’s
office in Mexico. And they seized this house, and uh, this was a house which
was seized because there was a tunnel going from this house under the border into
the United States. |
Gentile |
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That’s
the United States right there. |
Grillo |
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That’s
the United States right there. This is a crossing, an urban crossing. |
Voice Over |
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00:22:41 |
Grillo
has written two highly acclaimed books on drug trafficking. Back in England,
four of his friends died from drug use. So for him, this story is personal.
and maybe that’s why his work is so powerful. |
Grillo |
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It
seems to be cleaned out pretty well. |
Voice Over |
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He
wasn’t always a freelancer. He actually worked a while for a global news
service in Mexico. But he felt constrained. He wanted to cover the country
his way. So he went back to freelancing. |
Voice Over |
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00:23:42 |
Deported
from the United States back to Mexico for reasons he didn’t specify, this
young man said he makes more in one day of labor in the United States, than
he does in one week in Mexico. That’s his wife on the other side of the fence
– in the U.S. state of Arizona. |
Voice Over |
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00:24:05 |
We
followed Grillo to a shelter for migrants – mostly from Mexico, Central
America and the Caribbean. They were either on their way into the United
States – or were recently deported from the United States. |
Voice Over |
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00:24:20 |
Patrick
Tombola is what many young freelancers aspire to be. A successful photo and
video documentarian, he specializes in Latin America, the Middle East and
Europe. |
Voice Over |
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He’s
taken assignments from major newspapers and magazines around the world – sometimes
at great personal risk. |
Tombola |
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And
then so all of a sudden they said, bam bam bam bam bam.
And he, he got two, two on the back, on his back that killed him. And then
even after he was lying down bleeding, the guy … |
Voice Over |
00:24:41 |
00:24:45 |
We
crisscrossed the city gathering information. |
Voice Over |
00:24:46 |
00:24:49 |
And
with Milton’s help, we interviewed the mayor of Nogales. |
Voice Over |
00:24:52 |
00:24:54 |
Then
we headed back to the hotel. |
Voice Over |
00:25:44 |
00:26:01 |
Meghan
Dhaliwal and Dominic Bracco embody the new breed of freelance foreign
correspondent perhaps more than any others I met on this trip to Mexico. They
are bound together, in part, by their sense of independence and
entrepreneurship. They are free spirits. |
Voice Over |
00:26:01 |
00:26:05 |
She’s
worked as a Mexico City-based photojournalist for two years. |
Voice Over |
00:26:06 |
00:26:08 |
He’s
been here for seven. |
Voice Over |
00:26:09 |
00:26:17 |
Dominic
found his place as a photojournalist in Mexico’s northern city of Juarez,
where the drug war raged, and where thousands were killed. |
Voice Over |
00:26:19 |
00:26:28 |
I’ve
covered conflict on and off since 1979, and I’ve seen some hard things. But
even I found some of his work tough to look at. |
Voice Over |
00:26:30 |
00:26:47 |
I
first met Dominic during his presentation at the Pulitzer Center on Crisis
Reporting in Washington, DC. Meghan used to work here. And Dominic has won
grant money here. The Pulitzer Center is one of the non-profits supporting
freelancers overseas. |
Voice Over |
00:26:53 |
00:27:02 |
Meghan
and Dominic personify the idealistic freelancers of today, who have chosen life
styles of purpose and meaning, despite hardship and risk. |
Gentile |
00:27:05 |
00:27:23 |
This
is a pretty tenuous, a lot of people would think that being a freelancer
anywhere in the world is a tenuous, tenuous existence. A lot of people just
couldn’t do this. They need, you know, a nine to five. They need a steady
paycheck every month or every two weeks. How do you negotiate that? I mean is
that an important consideration for you guys? |
Bracco |
00:27:24 |
00:27:33 |
So,
both of us grew up in households where our parents worked for themselves.
Which I think is interesting. Because I never wanted to work for someone,
really. I was raised with that. I think Meghan’s the same way. |
Voice Over |
00:27:35 |
00:27:43 |
Dominic
was raised in south Texas, where his father owns a construction company.
Meghan’s from New Jersey. Her mother is a commercial interior designer. |
Bracco |
00:27:44 |
00:28:05 |
It’s
difficult. There’s a lot of competition, there’s a lot of great people and
you have to be better and smarter to survive. And so, I think, as hard as you
would have to work, to maintain that, in my mind, you know, it’s nice that you
know that you’re doing it for yourself every day. To make it in this career
you have to work your ass off, you know? And we work really, really hard. |
Gentile |
00:28:06 |
00:28:19 |
How
do you negotiate that? You’re separated. Often. Sometimes. Whatever. And so you
have to go out alone? As a couple, how does that work? |
Dhaliwal |
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We’ve
never known anything else. Like our whole relationship has been, our whole
relationship actually, the coolest thing is like now we live together so we
get to come home to the same place, which we work really hard together to
make happy and safe and peaceful and have things that we both love in it. And
so, I think we’ve just always been used to it and I mean you just sort of develop
a way of communicating with each other, would you say that’s right? Like when
you’re apart – that’s the beautiful thing about dating a photographer, is, they
understand when I’m like, ‘I cannot talk right now but like I’m fine and I’m
safe and it’s fine but I can’t talk to you right now, we’re in the middle of
something but I love you and I’ll talk to you tonight when I get back to the
hotel. |
Bracco |
00:29:13 |
00:29:19 |
Yeah,
I think we give each other the space to check out when we’re gone. And then when
you’re here you’re kind of expected to be here. |
Dhaliwal |
00:29:20 |
00:29:21 |
Kind
of. |
Bracco |
00:29:21 |
00:29:22 |
Yeah.
Yeah. |
Dhaliwal |
00:29:22 |
00:29:24 |
It…Yeah |
Bracco |
00:29:24 |
00:29:27 |
It’s
a constant balance though, I mean it’s nothing perfect. Like we … |
Dhaliwal |
00:29:27 |
00:29:28 |
It’s
not easy. |
Bracco |
00:29:28 |
00:29:29 |
No
it’s not easy. |
Gentile |
00:29:29 |
00:29:31 |
Can
you talk about that a little bit What do you give up and what do you get in
return? |
Dhaliwal |
00:29:32 |
00:29:54 |
I
think you give up some…you give up stability, in being a freelancer. You have
this really flexible life but you also have this life that can change really
fast, and I think, the word ‘suffers’ like ‘my family suffers’ is the wrong
way to put that but I think my family misses me, and I know I miss my family
a lot. |
Gentile |
00:29:54 |
00:29:57 |
So
the instability kind of bothers you a bit but not enough to stop doing it. |
Dhaliwal |
00:29:57 |
00:30:10 |
Not
enough to stop. And they’re proud of me and I’m really proud of myself. I
think it’s worth it, and they are super supportive. My 87-year-old
grandmother is like, ‘You go girl’. You know? So … |
Bracco |
00:30:12 |
00:30:21 |
It’s
a demanding job because you’re… I mean there is no stability, right? The only
stability that her and I have is each other. |
Gentile |
00:30:22 |
00:30:24 |
What do you get in return for this
instability? |
Bracco |
00:30:24 |
00:30:25 |
You get … |
Dhaliwal |
00:30:26 |
00:30:27 |
The world? |
Bracco |
00:30:17 |
00:31:18 |
You get total freedom, I mean at the
same time, like, it depends on where you are in your career, right? So, you
go through different stages of a freelancer. There’s moments, you know like
in any business, where things are going really well and, with that, comes a
certain amount of stability, you know? If you have a good base of savings,
then you have the ability to take control of your agenda, you know, and
that’s why living cheaply is so important, you know. I think, if you’re
keeping your overhead low, then that gives you the ability to save cash for
moments when, you know, you do want to
spend time with your family or you do need to go on a vacation, or when you
do get sick, ‘cause, that’s the other thing, you
get sick and, you gotta work, you know? |
Voice Over |
00:31:20 |
00:31:33 |
When I saw this note on their
refrigerator door, something resonated deep inside me. Perhaps because I’ve
been through this test of fire. The challenges of living abroad, away from
family, under constant stress. |
Voice Over |
00:31:34 |
00:31:58 |
It says: “I love you to the moon and back down to
the bottom of the sea. I had the best month with you. I feel so
lucky. Thank you for being the kind, generous
soul you are. I know things are hard right now. I promise they will get
better. I will be here to support you always. Have a great trip. See you on the 23rd. I love you.” |
Gentile |
00:32:06 |
00:33:09 |
Of all the interviews that we’ve done, I
think this one has moved me the most. And I think it’s because it reminds me
so much of … I recognize so much stuff there that I had gone through when I
first came here. The excitement of all the possibilities of the future, I
guess, the tenuous nature of what so many freelancers are doing, and the hope
that they, that and Meghan, inspire. You
know? You just wish that everything turns out right for them. Friday
afternoon traffic. |
Gentile |
00:33:11 |
00:33:16 |
Oh. Oh that was close. |
Voice Over |
00:33:42 |
00:31:49 |
And that’s how David Agren’s
story began. He’s a freelance foreign correspondent who sells his work mostly
to USAToday, the Washington Post, and the Guardian. |
Gentile |
00:33:54 |
00:33:55 |
So, where are we now? |
Agren |
00:33:56 |
00:34:45 |
We’re in Tultepec,
or at least on the road to Tultepec, which is a
city to the north of Mexico City and it’s known for fireworks. People here
make fireworks, sell fireworks. People come here to buy fireworks and every
once in a while the town goes BOOM. Today
is the end of the National Pyrotechnics Fair, so we’re going to witness the last,
the last day, which should include what they call musical fireworks. So
tonight what they’re going to do is, they figure because the big industry in
town is fireworks, and the people are not going to stop making fireworks or
selling fireworks, they figure the best way to honor the dead is with, well,
more fireworks. By shooting off, you know, fifty kilograms of fireworks. So it
should be a show. |
Voice Over |
00:34:46 |
00:34:55 |
The explosions and fire killed and
wounded dozens of people. So three months after the tragedy, I accompanied
David to follow up on the story. |
Gentile |
00:34:56 |
00:35:03 |
So you’re doing this story about this
town where, just a few months ago, fireworks exploded and killed how many
people? |
Agren |
00:35:04 |
00:35:05 |
Uh, forty-two. |
Gentile |
00:35:05 |
00:35:16 |
OK but for your readers, which is why I
was asking you who your readers are, why is this important to them, what does
it say, what are you getting at here, aside from, you know, the aftermath of
a tragedy? |
Agren |
00:35:17 |
00:35:54 |
It seems like, after the event
everybody’s sad for a little bit but then life goes on. There’s something
very interesting about Mexico in that sense. So I think I’m capturing that
sense of Mexican, I would say, in some ways resilience, in some ways
stubbornness. That’s the positive way to describe it. I don’t know, and from
the more negative you would also say this is an activity that perhaps has
been carried on a little to loosy goosy for too
long. |
Gentile |
00:35:55 |
00:35:57 |
This
is incredible. This is a big God-damned operation. |
Voice Over |
00:36:07 |
00:36:30 |
As
David and I toured this kaleidoscope of Mexico, I had to think hard about the
lack of regulation and the acceptance of these deaths as just another fact of
life. But I was reminded once again of the wonder of our craft: our ticket to
participate in the global conversation. It’s the thrill and the gratification
of this experience that has kept me active in the field for so long. |
Voice Over |
00:36:31 |
00:36:41 |
And
here’s one of the downsides of journalism. You eat what you can when and
where you can. Here, it’s churros, fried bread dough smothered in sugar! |
Voice Over |
00:36:46 |
00:36:54 |
Born
in Canada, David first visited Mexico as an exchange student. He returned
years later to take a job as a reporter. |
Agren |
00:36:55 |
00:37:10 |
The
big thing is just to find reactions to the fact that this market blew up, that
this town suffered a horrible tragedy, and the way they’re going to respond
to that tragedy is to ignite more fireworks. |
Voice Over |
00:37:12 |
00:37:17 |
He’s
an observer of the human condition, and goes about his work much like an
anthropologist. |
Agren |
00:37:19 |
00:37:32 |
I
just want to know what people are thinking. Why they would ever consider
changing things, changing their practices, abandoning their businesses.
That’s what I’d like to know. |
Voice Over |
00:37:43 |
00:37:54 |
After
years of freelancing in Mexico, David says returning to Canada would be
boring. You can see why. |
Gentile |
00:38:37 |
00:38:38 |
What’s
the story behind this? |
Dannemiller |
00:38:38 |
00:39:14 |
This
is one of those ones I was telling you about. When you see it, you go for it.
And I didn’t think twice. This is Garibaldi, where the mariachis hang out. I
got close to him and there’s that balance that you wanna
get the photo but at the same time not necessarily intrude. There’s something
going on there that speaks to, you know, how people relate to the
environment, how they deal with elements, how they deal with things that they
have in their hands. All that. |
Gentile |
00:39:15 |
00:39:17 |
At
the end of the day he’s probably happy you made the photograph. |
Dannemiller |
00:39:18 |
00:39:19 |
I
would, I would like to think so. |
Gentile |
00:39:20 |
00:39:21 |
It’s
one of the things that keeps us doing what we do, isn’t it? |
Dannemiller |
00:39:22 |
00:39:23 |
Yeah,
exactly. |
Gentile |
00:39:24 |
00:39:28 |
You
have to feel a sense of a mission, that what we’re doing is important. |
Voice Over |
00:39:29 |
00:39:48 |
Keith
Dannemiller is emblematic of the change affecting
freelancers. He’s lived in Mexico since 1987. Once covering breaking news for
major newspapers and magazines, Keith now makes his living largely by
shooting for non-profits, documenting street life in Mexico City, and
conducting photo workshops and guided tours. |
Gentile |
00:39:49 |
00:40:24 |
When
you first came here, I mean, the situation, the journalism situation was
very, very different, I think. At least that’s part of the premise of this
whole endeavor of mine, about freelancers. You came down as a freelancer. I
came to the region as a freelancer. There were dozens, if not scores of
journalists here from different countries. Once the conflicts began in
Central America, there were hundreds of journalists, many of them
freelancers, and real bureaus all through the region. Can you talk about the
difference between then and now, what that all looks like now? |
Dannemiller |
00:40:26 |
00:41:05 |
The
difference between then and now, I mean, I don’t know, I couldn’t count how
many newspapers and magazines, but it was, sort of, obviously the big
magazines, the big newspapers, second level, third level. You know,
newspapers that had offices here. So there were a lot of people to make
contact with. There were a lot of possibilities here to do freelance work at
that point. Today, hoy en dia,
forget it. So that situation, vis a vi, correspondents and fixed offices and
relationship to the home offices, has changed drastically. |
Gentile |
00:41:05 |
00:41:07 |
How
do people get news now out of Mexico, where does it come from? |
Dannemiller |
00:41:08 |
00:41:27 |
There
are possibilities, and yes, obviously The New York Times, the Washington
Post, still need photos, and there are people that can do things, but the
sheer number of possible points of contact and work has dropped drastically. |
Gentile |
00:41:27 |
00:41:34 |
You
don’t really do a lot of the news assignments anymore. Can you talk about
what you do now? You’re still a photographer. |
Dannemiller |
00:41:35 |
0:42:25 |
I’m
still a photographer. That continues to today, 30 years later. I’m still
photographing here on the streets of Centro Mexico City. I’ve had exhibitions
over the years. It’s a documentary project. I mean, I’m still, that’s what I
learned, that’s how I photograph, that’s how I still photograph. I look at it
as documenting a certain space in time here in Mexico City. I mean I still
have an assignment here and an assignment there. I still pitch things, you
know, to try to interest people in stories. A lot of times it has to do with
Guerrero. A lot of times it has to do with violence. A lot of times it has to
do with displaced people. But the response, once again being honest, the
response to those kind of stories is just not what it used to be. |
Voice Over |
00:42:26 |
00:42:41 |
Just
months after this conversation, a powerful earthquake rocked Mexico City,
killing hundreds. And the response was overwhelming. For weeks following the
quake, Keith was swamped with assignments documenting the tremor’s aftermath. |
Voice Over |
00:42:42 |
00:42:54 |
Neither
Keith nor any member of his immediate family was injured during the
earthquake. But his apartment building was badly damaged. He and his wife
refused to return, believing the building to be unsafe. |
Voice Over |
00:42:56 |
00:43:20 |
Another
of my colleagues was not so lucky. I knew Wesley Bocxe
back in the 1980s when we both covered the conflicts raging across Central
America. Like me, he once was a freelance photojournalist. Wesley was badly
injured in the quake. His wife was killed. |
Voice Over |
00:43:34 |
00:43:49 |
This
is a compromise that all foreign correspondents – not just freelancers --
live with every day. In their quest for truth, they face unforeseen circumstances
of living in countries that pose risks that we seldom have to consider. |
Voice Over |
00:44:00 |
00:44:11 |
It’s
my last day in Nogales with Ioan Grillo. We sit
down to discuss what he’s learned here, before heading out one more time to
the border separating Mexico from the United States. |
Gentile |
00:44:11 |
00:44:24 |
What
are the most important takeaways from this really widely spread reporting
trip that we’ve witnessed you execute over the past couple of days? |
Grillo |
00:44:25 |
00:46:07 |
Over
the last few days of reporting I’ve learned something about the human
smuggling, the drug smuggling networks into the United States. I’ve been reporting
on this border for 15 years, and I’ve seen some changes now, from before.
Before, you had some people would go over the border by themselves and some
would go with human smugglers, known as coyotes or polleros.
Now, from this reporting, people are saying that you cannot cross the border
without paying a coyote. People say, now if you try and go near the wall or
the desert any place right now and you haven’t paid, people are going to beat
the hell out of you, or kill you for not paying for their services. They
really now have tightened that up. And now all of these coyotes now, there
used to be some coyotes who were like independent workers, gradually the
cartels got more and more involved and now all of them are working for the
cartels. Any migrant has to pay a coyote. Any coyote has to pay a cartel. And
the money, the cost that the coyotes are charging has increased a lot. A few
years ago I was up here reporting and it was two thousand dollars that people
would pay a coyote to go to the United States. Now it’s four and a half
thousand dollars. |
Gentile |
00:46:08 |
00:46:34 |
It
seems to me that this a profound, dramatic change in how things operate on
the border, not just in terms of how the cartels work in this region, but
also in a sense that it represents to me a greater vacuum of power exerted by
the state. Am I wrong about this or does that sound correct? |
Grillo |
00:46:35 |
00:47:53 |
This
is part of a wider problem in Mexico, of the cartels taking over so many
aspects of life in Mexico. They are not just drug traffickers. These are
criminal organizations moving into a whole bunch of realms so here, the human
smuggling industry, the migrant industry, is now controlled by cartels. Also
they control political power in many local levels, so that you see cities and
towns in Mexico, where the mayors have to pay 10 percent of their budget to
the cartels. Not the other way around. You know it used to be that the
cartels, the drug traffickers would bribe the mayors, now the mayors have to
pay the cartels. You see areas of mining that have been taken over by
cartels. The cartels are involved in the theft of petroleum. Of crude oil.
We’re talking about billions of dollars here. So, they are now like these criminal
war lords type figures, controlling these aspects. |
Voice Over |
00:47:54 |
00:48:07 |
As
Ioan and Milton plan a trip back to the border, I
consider the sum of what I’ve seen here. Violence. Failing health care.
Powerful cartels. Corruption – all signs of a crippled, dysfunctional state. |
Grillo |
00:48:10 |
00:48:39 |
Where
we’re going right now, we’re following a local police vehicle there. Milton
contacted the local police that we’re interested going out there and could
they come with us. It’s a security precaution because it’s a rough area. As Milton
says it’s “Territorio Apache,” which is a phrase they
use in Spanish to talk about tough areas. |
Gentile |
00:49:00 |
00:49:08 |
Such
a beautiful place. And sadly, such a potentially violent place. |
Voice Over |
00:49:16 |
00:49:36 |
There’s
the U.S. border fence atop a hillside. It looks like a giant spinal column of
rusted steel separating the two countries. This is a flood zone during rainy
season. The border is actually railroad tracks and barbed wire, as opposed to
a solid wall or fence that would hinder the flow of water and debris across
the landscape. |
Grillo |
00:49:37 |
00:50:22 |
So
I was just talking to Comandante Mendoza, and he was describing how this area
is normally patrolled by the military and the federal police, not the city
police. This is normally the military federal police patrolling this area,
looking after this area, because this is their jurisdiction because if they
do run into stuff it can often be heavily armed guys. You can see these kind
of things are pretty attractive to smugglers, these kinds of places. I mean
that’s the United States right there, and there’s Mexico right here. I mean
that looks pretty easy to jump, I mean we could very easily go into the
United States. |
Voice Over |
00:50:23 |
00:50:36 |
Thousands
of undocumented migrants cross this border each year. They flee poverty and
drug gangs in their own countries.
Most bring only clothes on their back and hope in their heart for new life in
the United States. |
Gentile |
00:50:37 |
00:51:01 |
We’ve
been here a little over twenty-four hours. And in that time frame you have
gone out at night, to look at the fence, to look around Nogales. You have
interviewed the mayor of this city. We have come out here to the countryside.
We’ve done a couple of other things, you know, running around and working
pretty much twenty-four hours a day. Do you think that people understand what
real journalists really do? What’s your perception of what they perceive? |
Grillo |
00:51:02 |
00:52:10 |
What
I want them to understand from this particular, I’m thinking about the story
itself, so, I mean like all of these stories are complicated, and I just want
to say that it’s not so simple. I mean there is an issue with the United
States border with undocumented workers, with cartels, with smugglers. These
are real issues. But what I want to try to get across is the real human
stories. So when you go to these shelters and you see people who are human
beings, who have had tough lives, or who
live tough lives and you imagine what they go through. There are people just
coming out of incarceration, being deported, and trying to send money back to
their families, to feed their children, these are the human stories, that
whatever you feel about these issues, and they’re real issues, they’re real
issues with undocumented workers in the work force, with wages, with trade
unions, with social services with hospitals, these are real issues for people.
But if we could just feel the humanity of these stories. The humanity of
these people. I try and do these things from my heart and do good work. |
Voice Over |
00:52:11 |
00:52:26 |
Regardless
of how we feel about the legality or the humanity of it all, this long steel
line separates more than just two nations. It separates husbands from wives.
Children from parents. Brothers from sisters. |
Voice Over |
00:52:30 |
00:52:41 |
As
Ioan Grillo and I walk along this frontier, I
wonder: if it’s not these freelancers who help send us the truth about Mexico
and the rest of the world -- then who? |
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