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RECEP TAYYIP ERDOGAN:

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One nation.

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One flag.

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One fatherland.

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One state.

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And together we shall be Turkey!

 

JØRGEN LORENTZEN:

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I was 16 when the planes started bombing the presidential palace in Santiago, -

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- and the tanks rolled into the city in 1973.

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The coup in Chile

was my political awakening, -

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- and I was shocked by what people were capable of doing.

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Mass arrests, widespread torture -

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- and young people

who simply disappeared.

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Augusto Pinochet's fascist regime showed no mercy -

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- when they toppled the

elected government of Salvador Allende.

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But the coup had another consequence:


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Tens of thousands of people fled the country.

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Some came to Norway. Chileans moved into my neighbourhood and became my friends.

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President Erdogan's  speeches bring back all those early memories.

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Once again, thousands of refugees are flooding into Europe, -

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- this time from Turkey.

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Once again there are mass arrests and widespread torture.

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Recep Tayyip Erdogan

has ruled Turkey since 2002.

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In his initial years,

he brought growth and stability, -

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- until he slowly tightened his grip

and eventually dominated the country.

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This change became clear on the evening of July 15, 2016.

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I was in Turkey at the time; a warm and peaceful summer night that was -

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- suddenly interrupted by news of tanks in the streets of Istanbul and Ankara, -

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- and a possible military coup against President Erdogan.

 

CNN ANCHOR #1:

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We have breaking news:

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Chaos in Turkey. The prime minister saying that the military in his country -


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- has taken illegal action against its own government.

 

CNN ANCHOR #2:

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Gunfire has been heard in the streets.

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Military jets are conducting low flyovers over the major cities.

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And bridges over the Bosporus have been shut.

 

JØRGEN LORENTZEN:

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At first it was like déjà vu.

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Chile all over again.

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For Turks it brought back memories of earlier coups in Turkey:

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In 1960, 1971 and 1980.

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But slowly but surely, people began to wonder:

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"What is this really?" It didn't

seem like an ordinary military coup.

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The whole world has heard Erdogan's official explanation -

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- as to what happened on the evening of July 15, and who was responsible.

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Now I am going to tell a different story.

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The coup attempt in Turkey can be called "The Battle of the Bosporus Bridge".

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Despite various military actions


around the country, like the bombing -

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- of the parliament in Ankara and shooting at the hotel -

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- where the president was staying, the drama on the bridge in Istanbul -

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- has come to symbolize the coup.

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This narrative has become so strong that the bridge has been renamed -

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- "The July 15 Martyrs' Bridge".

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Around 9 p.m. on July 15, something happens in the Turkish military.

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A handful of soldiers and a few tanks are sent out into the streets -

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- to block one lane

of the Bosporus Bridge.

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For three years we've worked intensively to try to understand what really happened.

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Despite a wall of silence, propaganda and misinformation, -

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- we managed to find people who are willing to talk.

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Prof. Henri Barkey is the foremost expert on Turkey and the Middle East in the US.

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He's been a State Department advisor, written books on the topic, -

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- and was just outside Istanbul during the coup.


HENRI BARKEY:

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On July 15, 2016 I was on an island called Büyükada.

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I was running a conference on Iran and its neighbours.

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But then I started getting

phone calls from BBC, CNN, saying -

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- there's a coup going on in Istanbul. "What do you think?" "I have no idea."

 

NEVSIN MENGU:

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I was at the network, at CNN TÜRK. My show finished at nine.

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I got home. I turned on CNN TÜRK. And I saw like...

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"There are soldiers closing

the Atatürk Bridge." I was like, "What?"

 

CAN ATAKLI:

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For some strange reason,

the coup started on the bridge.

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And they only closed it in one direction.

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A coup d'Ètat is a coup against the state.

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And the first thing you do during a coup, is to detain the leaders of the country.

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The events on the bridge were a show.

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Neither President Erdogan nor any other government representatives were detained.


HENRI BARKEY:

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I've lived through many coups in Turkey, but this was unique.

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This is a coup that took place at 9 p.m. on a Friday night.

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The peak rush hour in Istanbul, when it takes hours to get over the bridge.

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This is not the way you do a coup. We all knew this was fishy from the beginning.

 

NEVSIN MENGU:

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The coup plotters looked like amateurs.

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If I wanted to plot a coup, first I'd cut the Internet.

 

HENRI BARKEY:

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Many of those soldiers were cadets. They weren't even proper soldiers.

 

CAN ATAKLI:

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The cadets who were sent to the bridge, had been told -

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- of an imminent attack by ISIS.

They were ordered to guard the bridge.

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It took several hours before they realised it wasn't true.

 

JØRGEN LORENTZEN:

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The soldiers have now held the bridge for several hours without incident.

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But then, -


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- around half past midnight, -

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- Erdogan broadcasts his

now infamous FaceTime interview.

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He says he knows who is behind

the coup attempt, and encourages people -

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- to take to the streets and fight the soldiers.

 

RECEP TAYYIP ERDOGAN:

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This is a message to the nation.

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I invite our people to gather in the city squares.

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Let this small group come with their weapons.

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They can do what they want to the people.

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I have never known any power stronger than that of the people.

 

JØRGEN LORENTZEN:

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This is when the real drama begins.

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Shortly after the president's broadcast, people head for the bridge.

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Some of these people are ordinary civilian supporters of Erdogan.

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But most of them are surprisingly well prepared.

 

NEVSIN MENGU:

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I don't know how these people

were organised, but they had batons.


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Once they came,

the atmosphere changed.

 

JØRGEN LORENTZEN:

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The police are there, but do not seem interested in stopping the crowd.

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Anyone familiar with the Turkish police knows this is unprecedented.

 

POLICE OFFICER ON THE BRIDGE:

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The soldiers have overthrown the government.

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We have closed the road. We will not allow anyone to cross the bridge.

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But if you insist on crossing,

and believe it's safe, then go ahead.

 

CIVILLIANS IN THE CROWD:

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-I'll cross the bridge.

-Me too!

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Come on, everyone!

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I'm not afraid of dying!

 

CAN ATAKLI:

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The crowd was heading toward the soldiers.

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Most of them belonged to  a militant group within AKP.

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Their clothes,

their hair and beards, -

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- made them look like ISIS militants.


CIVILLIANS IN THE CROWD:

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In God's name! God is greatest!

 

JØRGEN LORENTZEN:

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Who are these people?

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And more importantly, who do they work for?

 

CAN ATAKLI:

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We had heard that AKP

had begun to organise a militia.

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A crowd that could take to the streets if the government was threatened.

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These men in the SADAT militia are more or less mercenaries.

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That's the only plausible explanation.

 

JØRGEN LORENTZEN:

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The young soldiers defend themselves as best they can.

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But they're vastly outnumbered,

and don't want to fire on the civilians.

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As night turns to morning,

the soldiers lay down their weapons -

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- and surrender to the police.

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Now the real nightmare begins.

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Because these men have no intention of letting the young soldiers get away.

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The police politely step aside.


CAN ATAKLI:

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They had  surrendered to the police as civilians.

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The police let them go.

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Then they opened the way for these unknown men.

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They attacked the soldiers and lynched them.

 

CIVILLIANS IN THE CROWD:

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-What have you done?

-They're scum!

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He's dead.

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We've killed four.

Now it's time for the fifth.

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Bastard!

 

SEDAT TEKIN:

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I got back the body of my son -

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- from the forensic examiners

in this state. He had been lynched.

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What had my son, Murat, -

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- done to deserve to be killed in this manner?

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I didn't leave my son to them in this state.

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Murat was in excellent shape when he joined the military.


SEVKIYE TEKIN:

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He wasn't a thug.

He was full of compassion.

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That was how he was like.

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He chose to attend military academy, even though he was a peaceful person.

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And he did great.

 

SEDAT TEKIN:

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We hardly recognised him when we found him.

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But he had a deep notch

in one nail because he bit his nails.

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That was the first clue. The second clue was three birthmarks on his face.

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Even though his face was swollen,

we recognised those three birthmarks.

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He was given a peaceful burial.

 

SEVKIYE TEKIN:

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I hope the truth will be revealed so it'll

be easier for us, and you may find peace.

 

JØRGEN LORENTZEN:

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Why were none of the people who lynched the soldiers on the bridge indicted, -

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- when most of the soldiers who survived were sentenced to life in prison?

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All these soldiers did was follow orders.


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Though from whom we still have no idea.

 

SEDAT TEKIN:

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The aim was to turn the cadets against the police and the civilians, -

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- and then sacrifice them.

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It was the president who called these murderers to arms -

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- when he got out his phone

and told people to "take to the streets".

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With "people", he wasn't talking about ordinary flag-waving citizens.

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"People" were members of the SADAT militia.

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The SADAT militia is very well trained and serves as his private army.

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Tayyip Erdogan dispatched these killers -

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- with batons, knives, machetes and swords.

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They tortured him to death before they lynched his corpse.

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The killers made him a martyr.

 

JØRGEN LORENTZEN:

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The navy also received orders to leave port that evening -

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- due to a possible terror attack.

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At the same time as the soldiers were ordered to the bridge.


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The captains on the ships claim they had no idea -

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- they would be accused of being part of a coup attempt.

 

ANONYMOUS 1:

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In the evening of July 15, all vessels were notified -

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- there was a danger of sabotage or terrorist strikes.

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The commanding officers all reacted to  the information by moving to open waters.

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You don't need a full crew to do this.

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You only need the staff on watch. If I was planning a coup, -

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- why would I have left with a crew of 50 when the ship can take 200?

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In the chaos, our first priority -

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- was to get away from Izmit and Gölcük, -

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- to a safe position in the Marmara Sea.

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We waited at a secure location. We hadn't been deployed to attack specific targets.

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None of us received orders to go anywhere in particular.

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We got a radio message from port.

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It said that any vessels trying to return would be fired upon.


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It wasn't safe to return to Gölcük.

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The only logical course of action was to remain at sea.

 

JØRGEN LORENTZEN:

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We've gained access to

all the logs of the battleships, -

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- showing exactly when and where they were in the Sea of Marmara that night.

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Different and contradictory messages to the ships -

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- led to meaningless manoeuvres and chaos.

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None of the battleships fired a single shot that night.

 

ANONYMOUS 1:

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If I had supported the coup against Erdogan, I would have acted differently.

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They say I tried to attack Istanbul with the ammunition we had aboard the ship.

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But ammunition of that calibre wouldn't have left a single bridge standing.

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Neither Osmangazi nor Bosporus.

 

JØRGEN LORENTZEN:

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One of the most fascinating events that night still remains a mystery.

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Bülent Bostanoglu was

the chief of the Turkish navy.


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At 11:11 p.m., when chaos reigned and the officers desperately needed answers, -

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- he turned off his phone.

While the battleships were out at sea, -

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- their commanding officer suddenly disappears.

 

ANONYMOUS 1:

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At almost the same time as the president's speech, Bostanoglu turned off his phone.

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After the speech he turned it on again.

 

JØRGEN LORENTZEN:

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Finally, at 1:17 a.m.,

he turns his phone back on again.

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When the so-called coup attempt was already over.

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What was Bostanoglu doing in the meantime?

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According to his own testimony, he sat in a car in a parking lot in Istanbul -

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- and waited while

the entire country was in chaos.

 

ANONYMOUS 1:

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The supreme commander of the navy.

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He has four stars.

There's nobody above him.

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All he had to do

was send one single message:


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"The navy is not involved in this coup attempt or any related activities."

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If he'd simply sent this message,

this whole mess would have been over.

 

JØRGEN LORENTZEN:

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Then, at 9:06 that morning, -

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- he ordered the fleet of ships back to port.

 

ANONYMOUS 1:

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The chaos continued until morning, when we finally heard from Bostanoglu.

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It was reassuring that someone finally had taken command.

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I wasn't at all worried about being arrested when we returned to port, -

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- because I had done nothing wrong.

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We had sailed to the safest possible position to protect the ships.

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The other ships also returned and anchored up.

 

JØRGEN LORENTZEN:

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Bostanoglu since became a hero and is now retired.

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Apparently, the navy neither participated in nor hindered the coup attempt.

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Like the soldiers on the bridge, all the captains and crew did, -


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- was follow orders.

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Nevertheless, more than

2500 navy officers and soldiers -

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- have been either fired or imprisoned.

 

ANONYMOUS 2:

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I was on duty abroad

on the evening of July 15.

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Later that night, we received reports

of strange events taking place in Turkey.

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A month later, my tour of duty was over.

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I returned to Turkey as planned.

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When I arrived, I was detained.

10:22:52:16,10:22:59:05,10

I was accused of murder, assault, vandalism -

10:22:59:08,10:23:03:12,10

- and being a member of a terrorist organisation.

10:23:03:15,10:23:07:09,11

I wasn't even in Turkey on July 15.

10:23:07:12,10:23:14:03,10

They still claim that I killed one person, assaulted others and was detained for it.

10:23:14:06,10:23:19:09,10

I filed repeated complaints with the public  prosecutor.

10:23:19:12,10:23:23:00,11

And every time I was unlawfully punished.

10:23:23:03,10:23:26:00,11

I refused to back down, -

10:23:26:03,10:23:30:22,10

- and was finally dismissed from the Turkish armed forces.


NATO OFFICERS:

 

10:23:38:19,10:23:44:03,10

After 15 July, we continued our work for one or two months.

10:23:44:06,10:23:48:11,10

Then Turkey called us back without stating any reason.

10:23:48:14,10:23:54:09,10

But I learned that a prosecutor had started an investigation of us.

10:23:54:12,10:24:00:00,10

Then I understood that returning to Turkey was not a solution.

10:24:00:03,10:24:02:04,11

So I stayed here.

10:24:02:07,10:24:07:14,10

I'm trying to understand the reason why there's an investigation of me.

10:24:07:17,10:24:12:03,11

At that night, 15 July, we were here.

10:24:12:06,10:24:15:24,10

We didn't participate in anything related to the coup.

10:24:16:02,10:24:20:06,11

So why is there an investigation of us?

 

ANONYMOUS 2:

10:24:30:22,10:24:37:08,10

What you did or didn't do in Turkey on July 15 is completely irrelevant.

10:24:38:14,10:24:45:12,10

Prior to the coup, the Turkish government profiled 2.5 million citizens.

10:24:47:09,10:24:52:06,10

Lists were drawn up based on an investigation of the relatives -

10:24:52:09,10:24:55:04,11

- of over 2.5 million people.

10:24:55:07,10:24:59:17,10

They charted bank accounts, places of work, education.

10:24:59:20,10:25:05:07,10

Investigated which schools people had attended.


10:25:07:00,10:25:11:15,10

They're arresting people based on who they've -

10:25:11:18,10:25:15:10,10

- had phone conversations with the past two years.

10:25:15:13,10:25:21:01,10

All this is done using the lists that were prepared in advance.

 

NATO OFFICERS:

10:25:23:01,10:25:28:07,10

The day after the coup, they arrested people who hadn't been involved in it.

10:25:28:10,10:25:34:09,10

So I understood that the process going on is different, not related to the coup.

10:25:34:12,10:25:37:15,10

They have a list.

A long list.

10:25:37:18,10:25:42:19,10

And it's a dismissal process.

A purge process. That's what I see.

 

JØRGEN LORENTZEN:

10:25:44:12,10:25:49:04,10

The soldiers and the officers were only the beginning.

10:25:49:07,10:25:55:15,10

On the very night that the coup attempt unfolded, the mass arrests began.

10:26:07:00,10:26:13:00,10

Within the first 24 hours alone, several thousand people were arrested.

10:26:15:03,10:26:19:21,10

How was it possible to begin arresting people so soon?

10:26:22:22,10:26:26:19,10

This document from public prosecutor Serdar Coskun -

10:26:26:22,10:26:29:22,11

- formed the basis for the early arrests.


10:26:30:00,10:26:36:17,10

The document is signed 1 a.m. on the night of the coup, in the middle of the chaos.

10:26:36:20,10:26:42:17,10

How could the authorities know who was behind an ongoing military campaign -

10:26:42:20,10:26:46:11,11

- without any form of investigation?

10:26:46:14,10:26:51:20,10

Upon closer inspection

we find several errors in the letter.

10:26:51:23,10:26:58:02,10

It actually describes events that never even happened. For example:

10:26:58:05,10:27:02:21,10

"Troops surrounded the National Intelligence Organisation, MIT," -

10:27:02:24,10:27:06:20,10

- "in Yenimahalle, Ankara. The personnel of MIT" -

10:27:06:23,10:27:12:02,10

- "and the soldiers who surrounded the buildings engaged in combat."

10:27:12:05,10:27:16:07,10

"The Special Forces Command in Gölbasi was bombed."

10:27:16:10,10:27:21:07,10

"The Police Intelligence Bureau was targeted by an air strike."

10:27:21:10,10:27:27:09,10

"The Ankara Police HQ was surrounded and breached by armoured units."

10:27:27:12,10:27:31:21,11

"The Presidential Complex was surrounded."

10:27:31:24,10:27:35:20,10

The prosecutor has confirmed the document is real, but claims -

10:27:35:23,10:27:40:05,10

- that the time of the signing was in fact 7 a.m.

10:27:40:08,10:27:45:22,10

That makes it even more suspicious. Why did he write about all these events -


10:27:46:00,10:27:49:02,10

- that never happened? Could it be -

10:27:49:05,10:27:55:04,10

- that it was written before the coup so arrests could begin as soon as possible?

10:27:58:03,10:28:03:00,10

In addition to a general, official arrest warrant, lists had to be made -

10:28:03:03,10:28:05:13,11

- of who should be arrested.

10:28:05:16,10:28:12:00,10

As many have pointed out, these lists had to be prepared well in advance.

 

NATO OFFICERS:

10:28:12:02,10:28:17:06,10

I don't know why they put all of us on that list. The reason can be that -

10:28:17:09,10:28:21:24,10

- we got an education related to Western democratic understanding.

10:28:22:02,10:28:26:22,10

Maybe they don't want this, need a purge, not just in the military, -

10:28:27:00,10:28:32:19,10

- also in police departments,

in prosecution, the judicial system.

10:28:32:22,10:28:36:20,10

In every area they must exchange the person, -

10:28:36:23,10:28:41:02,10

- and they will start to conduct a different policy.

10:28:41:05,10:28:44:12,11

We must talk about who prepared that list.

10:28:47:13,10:28:52:01,10

There's a person,

a party leader: Perincek.

10:28:54:04,10:28:59:19,10

He's saying, "We're behind the purge. We prepared all those lists."


JØRGEN LORENTZEN:

10:29:01:07,10:29:05:20,10

We had to talk to Perincek

to find out more about these lists.

10:29:08:00,10:29:11:05,11

Dogu Perincek leads the Vatan Partisi, -

10:29:11:08,10:29:14:22,10

- which has cooperated with President Erdogan.

10:29:15:00,10:29:20:01,10

He has strong connections to Russia, China and Iran.

10:29:20:04,10:29:24:13,10

These connections

have made him very influential.

 

DOGU PERINCEK:

10:29:25:21,10:29:31:22,10

While they were in prison, our commanders investigated infiltrators from FETÖ -

10:29:32:00,10:29:38:21,10

- in the military, because it was FETÖ who got us arrested.

 

JØRGEN LORENTZEN:

10:29:40:17,10:29:44:15,10

FETÖ is the nickname Erdogan has given the supporters -

10:29:44:18,10:29:47:09,11

- of preacher Fethullah Gülen.

10:29:47:12,10:29:52:08,10

FETÖ stands for

"Fethullah Terror Organization".

 

DOGU PERINCEK:

10:29:53:06,10:29:58:16,10

People from all branches of the military and the paramilitary police, -

10:29:58:19,10:30:02:14,10

- helped prepare

the lists over FETÖ members.

10:30:02:17,10:30:09:09,10

Everyone had access to our lists.

We even published them in our newspaper.


10:30:09:12,10:30:15:24,10

So our list wasn't a list of the people who stood behind the coup that night.

10:30:16:02,10:30:21:04,10

But all the people behind the coup were on our list.

 

JØRGEN LORENTZEN:

10:30:23:11,10:30:28:23,10

These lists don't just include

the supporters of Fethullah Gülen.

10:30:29:01,10:30:33:24,11

Also Kemalists, Kurds, Marxists, -

10:30:34:02,10:30:41:00,10

- academics and journalists are now listed as enemies of President Erdogan.

10:30:43:23,10:30:47:17,10

Even people who have criticized Gülen for years -

10:30:47:20,10:30:51:15,10

- are now being branded

as Gülenists by the president.

10:30:54:01,10:30:57:23,11

But who is Fethullah Gülen really?

10:30:58:11,10:31:02:00,10

What is certain is that he's a contentious figure, -

10:31:02:03,10:31:06:16,10

- and that he's lived in exile

in the United States since 1999.

10:31:09:22,10:31:12:20,11

Gülen's supporters call him a peaceful, -

10:31:12:23,10:31:16:20,10

- spiritual builder

of bridges between faiths.

10:31:16:23,10:31:22:15,10

His critics, however, characterize him as a conman who seeks to control -

10:31:22:18,10:31:27:10,10

- both market and state through his interreligious network.


GPS VOICE:

10:31:29:06,10:31:31:14,11

You have arrived at your destination.

 

JØRGEN LORENTZEN:

10:31:31:17,10:31:35:22,10

We were curious as to what

the preacher himself had to say -

10:31:36:00,10:31:39:24,10

- about the accusations from President Erdogan.

 

FETHULLAH GULEN:

10:32:02:19,10:32:06:07,11

All the regime cares about, is loyalty.

10:32:06:10,10:32:10:12,10

They have no room for people with other opinions.

10:32:10:15,10:32:14:24,10

It doesn't matter whether you're a social democrat, -

10:32:15:02,10:32:19:19,11

- support the former Justice Party, -

10:32:19:22,10:32:24:00,10

- if you're a Christian, Alevi or Sunni Muslim.

10:32:24:03,10:32:31:17,10

If you're not loyal to the regime, you're regarded as an enemy.

10:32:31:20,10:32:35:04,11

And this movement is their main enemy.

10:32:35:07,10:32:40:23,10

I'm sorry to have to say so,

but they've made us the scapegoat.

10:32:41:01,10:32:46:06,10

Everyone with the family name Gülen has been thrown into prison.

 

JØRGEN LORENTZEN:

10:32:49:02,10:32:55:01,10

What's surprising is that Erdogan

and Gülen worked together for ten years.


10:32:55:18,10:33:02:00,10

From the time Erdogan came to power in 2002, they were like brothers in arms.

 

FETHULLAH GULEN:

10:33:03:02,10:33:08:19,10

He came to me to ask for advice on how to set up a new party.

10:33:08:22,10:33:13:17,10

He talked about justice, equality and patriotic values.

10:33:13:20,10:33:19:13,10

The Turkish military has had huge power. I told them he should be -

10:33:19:16,10:33:24:13,10

- extremely cautious

when dealing with the military.

 

HENRI BARKEY:

10:33:27:06,10:33:31:23,10

The fascinating relationship between Gülen and Erdogan was really -

10:33:32:01,10:33:35:06,11

- each making a pact with the devil.

10:33:35:09,10:33:41:04,10

Erdogan needed cadres when he came to power, so he brought in the Gülenists.

10:33:41:07,10:33:47:12,10

The two worked exceedingly well together. They had one common enemy: the military.

10:33:47:15,10:33:53:06,10

But philosophically they're very, very different from each other.

10:33:53:09,10:33:56:15,10

Erdogan is closer to

the Muslim Brotherhood.

10:33:56:18,10:34:01:04,10

Gülen is the Sufi tradition

that comes from inside Turkey.

 

JØRGEN LORENTZEN:

10:34:03:24,10:34:06:06,11

But then came the divorce.


10:34:06:09,10:34:10:20,10

For ever since December 2013, when Gülen's supporters -

10:34:10:23,10:34:16:17,10

- supplied proof of widespread corruption in the government and Erdogan's family, -

10:34:16:20,10:34:20:22,10

- Erdogan has sought

to destroy the Gülenists.

 

FETHULLAH GULEN:

10:34:21:00,10:34:25:00,10

We never imagined he would become so extreme, -

10:34:25:03,10:34:28:00,11

- and accuse us of terrorism.

10:34:28:03,10:34:31:23,10

I know that it's possible to hypnotise an individual.

10:34:32:01,10:34:37:10,10

But I don't understand how it's possible to create an illusion that can -

10:34:37:13,10:34:43:09,10

- hypnotise an entire population.

I think that's what has happened now.

10:34:45:20,10:34:48:04,11

We believed in him.

10:34:48:07,10:34:51:22,11

Even though I had some reservations, -

10:34:52:00,10:34:55:20,11

- I encouraged my friends to support him.

10:34:55:23,10:35:00:02,10

It was a sin.

Now we're paying the price.

10:35:00:16,10:35:07:01,10

I think the suffering will continue until a strong opposition emerges.

 

JØRGEN LORENTZEN:

10:35:09:02,10:35:12:15,10

Gülenists have evidently had a huge influence -


10:35:12:18,10:35:16:14,10

- on the state administration and the courts.

10:35:16:17,10:35:19:17,11

But what about the military?

 

HENRI BARKEY:

10:35:20:10,10:35:24:12,10

I don't think there were many high-ranking Gülenist officers.

10:35:24:15,10:35:30:13,10

Gülen was trying to put his own people everywhere. So why not the military?

10:35:30:16,10:35:34:03,11

But the way the system works in Turkey, -

10:35:34:06,10:35:38:22,10

- you go through so many steps before you become a general.

10:35:39:00,10:35:44:18,10

I doubt very much that there were any high-ranking generals that were Gülenists.

 

ANONYMOUS 1:

10:35:45:15,10:35:48:24,11

No one can claim that I'm a Gülenist!

10:35:49:02,10:35:53:06,10

Four years in college.

Eight years at the military academy.

10:35:53:09,10:35:59:22,10

Then you slowly rise through the ranks. The Turkish military isn't that large.

10:36:00:00,10:36:03:24,11

Everybody knows almost everybody else.

10:36:04:02,10:36:08:19,11

It would very soon come to light -

10:36:08:22,10:36:14:07,11

- if someone had Gülenist sympathies.

 

HENRI BARKEY:

10:36:14:10,10:36:18:23,10

Look at the 200 officers who were kicked out after the coup.

10:36:19:01,10:36:23:20,10


All these Western-educated officers who came out from NATO colleges.

10:36:23:23,10:36:28:20,10

Those are the least likely officers to be Gülenists.

10:36:28:23,10:36:34:09,10

They don't like the Gülenists. I mean, is Fethullah Gülen -

10:36:34:12,10:36:39:09,10

- the primary mover behind the coup? I find that hard to believe.

10:36:39:12,10:36:42:20,11

But it was a gift to Erdogan.

10:36:42:23,10:36:49:09,10

Because that allowed him

to really cleanse the bureaucracy, -

10:36:49:12,10:36:55:21,10

- the police, the judiciary. Now he has his own people. And you see the results.

 

RECEP TAYYIP ERDOGAN:

10:36:57:15,10:37:03:05,10

In the middle of all these events, there may be hidden advantages.

10:37:03:08,10:37:08:13,11

This incident is a great gift from God.

10:37:08:16,10:37:11:05,11

Why is it a gift from God?

10:37:11:08,10:37:19:05,10

Because it provides us the opportunity to clean up the Turkish military.

 

JØRGEN LORENTZEN:

10:37:21:17,10:37:27:09,10

You would think that Erdogan would have solid proof before publicly accusing -

10:37:27:12,10:37:31:09,10

- an organization of terrorism and attempting a coup.

10:37:33:00,10:37:36:00,11

But the evidence is flimsy.

10:37:37:00,10:37:41:00,10

The main source of the accusations against Gülen -


10:37:41:03,10:37:45:18,10

- is the interrogation

of Lt. Col. Levent Türkkan.

10:37:45:21,10:37:50:04,10

The news agency Anadolu published Türkkan's statement -

10:37:50:07,10:37:55:19,10

- a few days after the coup attempt,

where he claims Gülen was behind the coup.

10:37:57:15,10:38:04:01,10

Anadolu had no problem revealing signs of extensive torture from the interrogation.

10:38:06:16,10:38:11:23,10

Other than this, there's been nothing but assumptions and speculation.

 

HENRI BARKEY:

10:38:13:05,10:38:17:23,10

The Turks say they sent lots

of documentation about Gülen proving -

10:38:18:01,10:38:21:02,11

- that he was involved in the coup.

10:38:21:05,10:38:25:06,10

But there is nothing, absolutely nothing there.

10:38:25:09,10:38:30:01,10

They're poorly written. They're made up. There is no proof.

 

JØRGEN LORENTZEN:

10:38:31:10,10:38:34:22,10

Several Western intelligence agencies have stated -

10:38:35:00,10:38:38:23,10

- that Gülen had nothing to do with the coup.

10:38:40:01,10:38:44:18,10

In an interview with the German newspaper Spiegel, Bruno Kahl, -

10:38:44:21,10:38:48:13,10

- President of the Federal Intelligence Service in Germany, said -


10:38:48:16,10:38:53:03,10

- there was no convincing argument C1N03 for Gülen's involvement.

10:39:00:01,10:39:06:07,10

We contacted Bruno Kahl and confirmed his statement. In his interview, -

10:39:06:10,10:39:11:09,10

- he says he doesn't believe the coup was staged by the government either.

10:39:11:12,10:39:17:07,10

But when asked who might then be behind the coup, he declined to comment.

10:39:18:23,10:39:23:03,10

So far, no one has answered that question.

10:39:32:03,10:39:37:04,10

Whether or not this really was

a coup attempt, remains unclear.

10:39:37:18,10:39:42:07,10

Many believe Erdogan, along

with high-ranking military officers, -

10:39:42:10,10:39:46:19,10

- planned the coup himself. Others believe the coup attempt -

10:39:46:22,10:39:51:21,10

- was simply a golden opportunity for him to get rid of his opponents.

10:39:51:24,10:39:57:08,10

What's the truth is hard to say, but our sources tell us that the government -

10:39:57:11,10:40:03:02,10

- knew of the planned coup

well in advance - but still let it happen.

 

DOGU PERINCEK:

10:40:04:03,10:40:07:11,11

We know for certain -

10:40:07:14,10:40:12:01,10

- that Tayyip Erdogan knew about the coup before it happened.

10:40:12:04,10:40:19:07,10

Before the coup, Atilla Ugur,

an important army commander, came to me -


10:40:19:10,10:40:22:22,11

- and said that the terrorists in FETÖ -

10:40:23:00,10:40:30:03,10

- were planning a coup. He knew when

it was supposed to happen, and told me -

10:40:30:06,10:40:38:07,10

- that the FETÖ militants were planning to carry it out before August 1.

10:40:38:10,10:40:45:09,10

I asked him to pass this information on to Yeni Safak, -

10:40:45:12,10:40:49:21,10

- the newspaper closest to Erdogan. In addition to this, -

10:40:49:24,10:40:55:02,10

- the Russian nationalist Alexandr Dugin was also in Turkey at the time.

10:40:55:05,10:41:00:05,10

He said that unexpected troop movements within the Turkish army -

10:41:00:08,10:41:05:14,10

- had been observed by

the Russian intelligence services.

10:41:05:17,10:41:09:00,11

Dugin had come to Turkey -

10:41:09:03,10:41:14:19,10

- for talks with Prime Minister Yildirim and Erdogan's advisors.

10:41:14:22,10:41:19:24,10

I asked Dugin to convey what he had heard -

10:41:20:02,10:41:24:13,11

- to them during these meetings.

10:41:24:16,10:41:28:13,11

I met Alexandr Dugin again later.

10:41:28:16,10:41:35:04,10

I asked Dugin if he'd told them about it. He said he had.

10:41:35:07,10:41:41:24,10

In other words, we knew about

the coup attempt before it happened.

10:41:42:02,10:41:48:17,10

We informed Erdogan's government about it through two separate channels.


JØRGEN LORENTZEN:

10:41:58:09,10:42:02:07,10

The coup attempt gave Erdogan almost complete power.

10:42:03:18,10:42:08:24,10

He has used this power to make Turkey an increasingly authoritarian regime.

 

ANONYMOUS 2:

10:42:10:21,10:42:15:16,10

Erdogan's regime has discarded the republican values, -

10:42:15:19,10:42:18:13,11

- and made Turkey a dictatorship.

10:42:18:16,10:42:23:14,10

Erdogan controls 95 % of the media in Turkey.

10:42:27:06,10:42:32:24,10

Everyone outside Erdogan's circle, whether they're socialists, conservatives, -

10:42:33:02,10:42:38:23,10

- religious, atheists, secular

or nationalists, has nothing to say.

10:42:39:11,10:42:46:16,10

If they put their ideas into action, they're immediately silenced.

10:42:48:21,10:42:51:11,11

It's complete social genocide.

10:42:51:14,10:42:57:06,10

It's like a medieval witch hunt. The eradication of civil society.

 

JØRGEN LORENTZEN:

10:42:58:24,10:43:05:13,10

During World War II, refugee routes were established between Norway and Sweden -

10:43:05:16,10:43:10:21,10

- to give rebels and Jews a chance to survive the Nazi reign of terror.

10:43:12:22,10:43:17:12,10

Today similar routes have been established out of Turkey.


10:43:18:14,10:43:21:12,11

How many have fled is hard to say.

10:43:21:15,10:43:27:06,10

But several hundred thousand have left the country since 2016.

10:43:27:09,10:43:32:07,10

Many flee imprisonment, social genocide and torture.

 

ENES (9):

10:43:36:10,10:43:41:23,10

We had to try twice, because the first smuggler we had was so clumsy.

10:43:42:01,10:43:48:20,10

He couldn't even inflate the raft himself. Then he managed to break an oar.

10:43:49:10,10:43:53:21,10

We spun around with one oar and ended up back in Turkey.

10:43:53:24,10:43:57:23,10

It was really dramatic.

"Is that a car approaching?"

10:43:58:01,10:44:00:14,11

"Will we get caught?"

10:44:00:17,10:44:05:18,10

-It was scary, but exciting.

 

BIRGUL KOCAL:

10:44:00:17,10:44:05:18,10

-But what if they'd caught us?

 

ENES (9):

10:44:05:21,10:44:11:20,10

If they'd caught us,

we'd be living in prison now.

 

BIRGUL KOCAL:

10:44:20:09,10:44:24:01,10

I was in custody for ages. It was exhausting.

10:44:24:04,10:44:27:20,10

I was imprisoned in August in a cell with 48 others.


10:44:27:23,10:44:32:17,10

I don't exaggerate when I say that we slept in a foetal position.

10:44:32:20,10:44:38:03,10

I had a woman's bottom squeezed against my belly, my legs between her knees.

10:44:40:11,10:44:44:21,10

The lights in the prison cell were always on.

10:44:44:24,10:44:48:19,10

Couldn't tell day from night. Hungry and thirsty.

10:44:48:22,10:44:51:09,11

It was mental torture.

 

JØRGEN LORENTZEN:

10:44:52:02,10:44:56:22,10

Birgul and her husband had secure jobs in the Turkish civil service, -

10:44:57:00,10:45:00:07,10

- and had nothing to do with the attempted coup.

10:45:00:10,10:45:06:04,10

Both were jailed shortly afterwards. She remained in prison for ten months.

10:45:07:13,10:45:13:12,10

They fled to save their family

from persecution and additional arrests.

 

BIRGUL KOCAL:

10:45:13:15,10:45:19:01,10

The psychological conditions were terrible. But I'm above all a mother.

10:45:21:05,10:45:25:16,10

I'll never forget the first time they came to see me.

10:45:25:19,10:45:29:21,10

Nail, my youngest son, was three years old.

10:45:29:24,10:45:33:07,11

He only wanted to be with me.

10:45:33:20,10:45:37:04,10

The iron door opened.

I went inside.


10:45:37:07,10:45:41:10,10

I put my son on my lap, gave him a big hug.

10:45:41:13,10:45:48:01,10

He kissed me, kept looking at me

to make sure I really was his mother.

10:45:48:04,10:45:53:00,11

When the bell rang, I had to leave.

10:45:53:03,10:45:57:22,10

I wanted to touch my son, hug him, kiss him, smell him.

10:45:58:00,10:46:02:22,10

He refused to leave me. Held on to my collar like this.

10:46:03:00,10:46:06:17,10

Then the guard came and told me I had to leave my son.

10:46:06:20,10:46:12:09,10

I had to force him to let go.

He tried to grab me with his other hand.

10:46:12:12,10:46:17:07,10

When the guard led me away, I felt dead inside.

10:46:18:01,10:46:22:08,10

He cried on one side of the iron door. I cried on the other.

10:46:22:11,10:46:27:21,10

It's heart-breaking for a mother

to have to force her own child away.

10:46:27:24,10:46:31:07,11

I'll never forget how he cried.

10:46:43:20,10:46:48:07,10

It's difficult to come to terms with what we've been through.

10:46:48:10,10:46:52:03,10

I was a civil servant, only a civil servant.

10:46:55:12,10:46:59:07,11

And a mother of two children.

10:47:00:09,10:47:02:21,11

Now I'm a refugee.


JØRGEN LORENTZEN:

10:47:05:24,10:47:10:03,10

The purge after the coup has been relentless.

10:47:10:06,10:47:14:19,10

The extent of arrests and dismissals looks more like the Nazi persecution -

10:47:14:22,10:47:19:13,10

- of the Jews in the 30s than a judicial process.

 

MERDAN YANARDAG:

10:47:19:16,10:47:25:01,10

Turkey is not evolving into a more democratic regime. On the contrary.

10:47:25:04,10:47:31:19,10

Turkey is evolving into a dictatorship, a fundamentalist Islamist dictatorship.

10:47:31:22,10:47:35:03,11

It's becoming a fascist dictatorship.

10:47:35:16,10:47:41:13,10

Erdogan has said, "Democracy is a tram, and we're getting off at the next stop."

10:47:41:16,10:47:45:11,10

And after the coup attempt, he got off the tram.

10:47:45:14,10:47:51:09,10

He actually got off a lot earlier, as soon as he came to power.

10:47:51:12,10:47:54:24,11

He called it "a gift from God", -

10:47:55:02,10:47:59:09,10

- because he saw the opportunities it opened up for him.

 

NEVSIN MENGU:

10:48:01:09,10:48:06:00,10

They used it as an excuse to install a one-man regime.

10:48:06:03,10:48:12:17,10

Now the whole system in Turkey is designed to protect only one guy: Mr. Erdogan.


10:48:13:06,10:48:16:20,10

He's the red line.

You can't contradict him.

10:48:16:23,10:48:22:21,10

You have to do whatever he says. That's the new Turkish state.

 

JØRGEN LORENTZEN:

10:48:24:23,10:48:31:00,10

After the coup attempt, Ahmet Sik was jailed for 16 months, accused -

10:48:31:03,10:48:36:22,10

- of supporting terrorism after critical articles in the newspaper Cumhuriyet.

 

AHMET SIK:

10:48:39:13,10:48:45:12,10

We live in a country with plenty

of newspapers and several TV stations.

10:48:45:15,10:48:50:02,10

But there's only one voice that makes itself heard.

10:48:50:15,10:48:56:05,10

The head of the most important Turkish media is also the country's president.

10:48:56:08,10:49:03:01,10

All media organisations,

especially the most mainstream media, -

10:49:03:04,10:49:08:00,10

- are under government control

or have been forced to their knees.

10:49:08:03,10:49:14:00,10

This is because the autocratic dictatorship that Erdogan has in mind -

10:49:14:03,10:49:18:07,10

- can only be achieved by changing the media message.

10:49:18:10,10:49:23:07,10

They have managed to silence the entire Turkish population.

10:49:26:24,10:49:33:02,10

I'm sure that the orders to criminally prosecute journalists come from him -

10:49:33:05,10:49:36:12,11

- or from his close advisors.


NEVSIN MENGU:

10:49:39:00,10:49:44:09,10

I have sleepless nights. They don't need an explanation to arrest you.

10:49:44:12,10:49:48:09,10

Or any excuse.

If they want to, they'll arrest you.

 

JØRGEN LORENTZEN:

10:49:49:01,10:49:54:19,10

The sheer number of people who have been purged and prosecuted is shocking.

10:50:57:21,10:51:03:06,10

The coup attempt hasn't only had domestic consequences.

10:51:03:09,10:51:08:24,10

Erdogan's power grab and purge has also led to an extensive shift -

10:51:09:02,10:51:12:20,10

- away from the West and towards Russia.

10:51:14:14,10:51:21:05,10

NATO-friendly officers have been

thrown out and replaced by pro-Russian.

 

NATO OFFICERS:

10:51:21:18,10:51:25:15,10

I think a radicalisation process is going on in Turkey.

10:51:25:18,10:51:29:12,10

When the public becomes radicalised, they need an enemy.

10:51:29:15,10:51:36:08,10

Now the government is using NATO, Western countries or FETÖ as an enemy.

 

HENRI BARKEY:

10:51:37:08,10:51:44:07,10

There were two narratives that came out from Erdogan. One was the evil Gülenists -

10:51:44:10,10:51:49:05,10

- trying to overthrow the regime, about rallying around one leader.


10:51:49:08,10:51:55:02,10

But there was also a very anti-Western, anti-American message after the coup.

10:51:55:05,10:51:59:22,10

"We are under attack.

Not by the Russians, the Chinese," -

10:52:00:00,10:52:03:10,10

- "not by ISIS,

but by the US and the West."

 

DOGU PERINCEK:

10:52:04:17,10:52:10:20,10

The only country that threatens Turkey, is America. There are no others.

10:52:10:23,10:52:16:05,10

America supports PKK. America supports ISIS.

10:52:16:08,10:52:19:05,11

America supports FETÖ.

10:52:19:08,10:52:25:03,10

That's why Turkey has started to find its place among Asian countries, -

10:52:25:06,10:52:31:00,10

- and initiated the formation of

a counterforce to NATO and America.

10:52:31:03,10:52:33:17,11

This is inevitable.

 

NATO OFFICERS:

10:52:35:05,10:52:41:06,10

Turkey is now putting distance between itself and the European countries, NATO.

10:52:41:09,10:52:45:00,10

This means that  Turkey is seeking a new alliance.

 

HENRI BARKEY:

10:52:46:09,10:52:50:00,10

We are in a serious crisis with the Turks over -

10:52:50:03,10:52:55:08,10

- the S-400 missiles that

they're going to buy from Russia.


NATO OFFICERS:

 

10:52:55:11,10:52:59:24,10

Turkey is trying to buy S-400

air defence missiles from Russia.

10:53:00:02,10:53:07:02,10

As a NATO country, Turkey can't buy any guns or air defence systems from Russia.

 

DOGU PERINCEK:

10:53:08:09,10:53:13:10,10

Why is Turkey buying the S-400 system? They must defend themselves -

10:53:13:13,10:53:16:17,11

- against America and NATO.

10:53:16:20,10:53:21:19,10

You can't protect Turkey against NATO with NATO weapons.

10:53:21:22,10:53:27:22,10

Because NATO's weapon systems are controlled by America, -

10:53:28:00,10:53:31:23,10

- who can override them whenever they like.

10:53:32:01,10:53:38:14,10

What should Turkey do? They need the means to defend themselves against America.

10:53:38:17,10:53:41:09,11

To stand up to America.

10:53:41:12,10:53:46:18,10

That's why purchasing the S-400 system is a strategic necessity for Turkey.

10:53:46:21,10:53:48:24,11

It's imperative -

10:53:49:02,10:53:53:21,10

- that Turkey, Iraq, Iran and Russia cooperate -

10:53:53:24,10:53:56:20,11

- against the American puppets.

10:53:56:23,10:54:02:10,10

The new defence coalition is already a reality.

10:54:02:13,10:54:08:09,10

It's not something that's meant to happen in the future. It's already happened.


JØRGEN LORENTZEN:

10:54:10:06,10:54:15:04,10

Turkey has the second largest army in NATO after the US.

10:54:15:20,10:54:21:05,10

The fact that Turkey's ties to Europe and NATO are weakening, and a new alliance -

10:54:21:08,10:54:27:19,10

- with Russia and Iran is emerging, has major geopolitical consequences.

10:54:27:22,10:54:33:15,10

Furthermore, the country is now joining the ranks of authoritarian regimes.

10:54:35:19,10:54:38:23,11

Why do western leaders remain silent?

 

HENRI BARKEY:

10:54:40:12,10:54:44:10,10

What's interesting,

is the extent to which the West -

10:54:44:13,10:54:50:24,10

- never wants to confront Turkey, neither about human rights nor the Middle East.

10:54:51:12,10:54:53:18,11

Nobody wants to take a chance.

 

JØRGEN LORENTZEN:

10:54:56:10,10:55:00:05,11

Still, the greatest tragedy -

10:55:00:08,10:55:02:13,11

- is the human one.

10:55:03:13,10:55:08:24,10

I've personally considered Turkey to be my second home the past 25 years, -

10:55:09:02,10:55:14:17,10

- and have a close relationship with this beautiful and important nation.

10:55:14:20,10:55:22:06,10

As for all those who have had to flee after what took place on July 15, 2016, -

10:55:22:09,10:55:27:19,10

- the grief over losing their homeland is almost impossible to comprehend.


HENRI BARKEY:

10:55:31:16,10:55:34:11,11

I grew up in Turkey.

10:55:34:14,10:55:36:14,11

I knew every boat -

10:55:36:17,10:55:41:21,10

- that went between Istanbul and Büyükada. I had my favourite boats.

10:55:43:10,10:55:45:05,11

Yeah.

10:55:45:08,10:55:48:19,11

I mean, it was just magic.

10:55:50:03,10:55:52:09,11

It's magic.

10:55:53:24,10:55:57:19,11

And as I said, my whole history is there.

 

NATO OFFICERS:

10:56:11:17,10:56:15:17,10

My child says to me,

"I want to go to Turkey."

10:56:15:20,10:56:20:12,10

Because she knows that it's sunnier. And she loves the sun.

10:56:20:15,10:56:23:24,11

She wants to swim.

10:56:24:02,10:56:30:09,10

And she says to me, "When will we go to Turkey?" I say that I don't know.

10:56:30:12,10:56:36:01,10

"But I'm sure one day this period will be over," -

10:56:36:04,10:56:39:19,11

- "and we will be able to go to Turkey."

 

SEDAT TEKIN:

10:56:41:14,10:56:47:05,10

I'm going to appeal it to

the European Court of Human Rights.

10:56:47:08,10:56:50:19,11

That's how I'll find justice.


AHMET SIK:

10:56:53:02,10:56:58:18,10

This government has stolen the future from the children of this country.

0585 : 10:56:58:21,10:57:03:22,10

I believe that we must work

to reclaim what they've stolen, -

10:57:04:00,10:57:09:00,10

- and preserve what they haven't been able to steal yet.

0587 : 10:57:09:03,10:57:13:03,10

It's difficult, but we all have to take risks.

 

ENES (9):

10:57:15:12,10:57:19:23,10

I'm going to write my story. Maybe it'll become a novel.

10:57:20:01,10:57:24:08,10

I think the first sentence I write will be:

10:57:24:11,10:57:28:18,11

"This is a true story about real people."

10:57:28:21,10:57:32:06,11

I still don't know how it'll end.

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