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Original Title: Au temps où les arabes dansaient

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Allah will turn music fans

into monkeys and pigs.

 

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That's a risk.

They may be swallowed up by the Earth.

 

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In the name of the air,

the sun and beaches,

 

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In the name of youth,

love and leisure.

 

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A FILM BY JAWAD RHALIB

 

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WHEN THE ARABS DANCED

 

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MOROCCO

 

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I'm in love with the moon

that makes my heart happy

 

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and my world wonderful

 

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If you talk to me about love,

I'll pour you a drink

 

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I'm in love, I'm in love,

yes, I'm in love.

 

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Join in.

- I'm tone deaf.

 

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The lion song.

- No, no.

 

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We are here

to discuss serious issues.

 

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All the more reason for you to sing!

- I'm an awful singer.

 

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Impossible.

- Not at all.

 

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You love songs

and you refuse to sing?

 

0018 10:04:02:04 10:04:04:04

 

I'm a terrible singer.

 

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There's not one photo

of Mum where she's not dancing.

 

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Of course not, I was a dancer.

I still love dancing.

 

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Back then, me and my friends

used to put on make-up and celebrate.

 

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We danced,

sang and had fun until late at night.

 

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They were as many shoes

in front of the house

 

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as in front of a mosque.

 

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It was a mess.

- Yes, but you loved it!

 

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Here you are at the beach.

 

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How old were you?

 

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40 years old.

 

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That's my father.

 

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With King Mohamed V.

- Yes.

 

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You fought against the French

for the freedom of our country.

 

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To defend our freedom.

- Yes.

 

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Today the fundamentalists want

to steal it from us.

 

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They want to impose restrictions on us.

- Exactly.

 

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The fundamentalists want

to take away our freedom.

 

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Before, you weren't afraid

to go out with your wife

 

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wearing make-up

and dressed however she wanted.

 

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Today, they want to forbid you

from being yourself.

 

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Islamists attack women in bikinis.

 

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I'm free to walk around naked,

it's nobody's business.

 

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No, you're not allowed

to be yourself.

 

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That's how it is today.

 

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In Morocco, a country torn

between emancipation and conservatism,

 

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singers, actresses and dancers

were all considered

 

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as sluts and loose women.

 

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Being called "the son of a dancer"

was the worst insult.

 

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My mother was a dancer,

she loved it.

 

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I was bullied

and I always getting into fights.

 

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I couldn't stand

this liberated woman anymore.

 

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I dreamed about covering her up.

 

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But then, Egypt came into my life

and my bullies' lives too.

 

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We immediately fell in love

with Samia Gamal,

 

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her belly button

and Egyptian cinema.

 

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Locally and at school,

 

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we started

to imitate the actors and singers.

 

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The teasing and insults stopped.

 

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Women could finally go out

without a headscarf.

 

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Men and women could

sit together in cafes, at the beach.

 

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Now we know

that appearances were misleading.

 

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Traditionalist and fundamentalist

urges

 

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were already beginning

to deeply undermine

 

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our happiness and we were unaware

of the extent of its fragility.

 

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EGYPT

 

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This dance is based on

 

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Egyptian culture.

 

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It's the best response

to those that say

 

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that this dance is reserved

exclusively for Westerners

 

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and that we are not allowed

to practice it.

 

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To those people who want to prevent

us from dancing, I say:

 

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The first people to create

modern dance

 

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were inspired by

Egyptian culture.

 

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Remember that, Ruth Saint Denis

and Ted Shawn

 

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created a choreography called

"Egyptian dances,"

 

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a global benchmark

 

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in the world of contemporary dance.

 

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May Allah protect us.

 

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Who's drinking?

Shall I bring more?

 

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Not with your teeth.

 

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Here you go.

 

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Are you drinking too?

 

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Isn't it haram?

- Yes, now you come to mention it.

 

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Cheers brother.

 

0083 10:12:31:02 10:12:34:04

 

Do you remember

your last performance in the street?

 

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They were wearing white.

 

0085 10:12:37:17 10:12:41:07

 

Karima said:

"This is not a revolution."

 

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Our centre is a revolution in itself.

 

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It is, indeed.

 

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If my Mum sees me dancing with Mouna,

she'll be devastated.

 

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My Mum is a traditionalist

 

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and my brother is a hardcore Salafist.

 

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Is he younger?

- No, he's 18 months older than me.

 

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He often asks me

if dancing is not a denial of Allah.

 

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My answer is:

"We all have our own beliefs.

 

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"If you think that

education is a sin,

 

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"that's your problem.

To each their own beliefs."

 

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Once he's out of arguments,

he walks away from the discussion.

 

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He should keep quiet.

Give us a beer, please.

 

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When someone asks what I do,

 

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my answer depends on the person asking.

 

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Exactly.

 

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I tell relatives

I teach yoga to kids.

 

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It's complicated to say I'm a dancer.

- Yes.

 

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In fact, my friends in

the neighbourhood badmouth me

 

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and use the words "dancing girl"

as a form of insult.

 

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For them, a dancer is a whore.

- The word itself is an insult.

 

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For no reason whatsoever.

 

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Indeed.

- It's hard to be a dancer.

 

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If you dance, you're not a man.

 

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I want to share

my passion with my relatives

 

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but I can't tell them

the truth about what I do

 

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for fear of disapproval

 

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or having to face endless

discussions.

 

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Today dancing is classed

as "haram".

 

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Before, there was no problem with it,

 

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It's since the late 70's and early 80's

 

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when Islamists started

dominating world politics.

 

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Today's concepts of haram or halal

 

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date back to the revolution of 1952

 

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when Islamists infiltrated

the army and politics.

 

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Then came

the "nice" idea of the hijab.

 

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Then: "Don't do this",

"Don't do that,"

 

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Eventually they imposed their views.

 

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 "You must wear the hijab,

You must pray."

 

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All these ideas of

what's halal or haram

 

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mean nothing to me now.

 

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We must confront taboos.

 

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We can't talk about religion,

sex or politics.

 

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These three areas stop us

from being creative.

 

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Do tradition and customs prohibit us

from dancing?

 

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Or are Islamists using this to stop me

from living my life and dancing?

 

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I decided...

 

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We decided to stick two fingers up.

 

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I met with the leader

of the Muslim Brotherhood.

 

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He listed his requests.

 

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What did he ask of me?

 

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"You must make

the hijab mandatory in Egypt"

 

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"and order every woman

in the street to wear a headscarf."

 

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Every woman in the street?

 

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He should wear one himself!

 

0140 10:18:07:08 10:18:09:24

 

So I told him:

 

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"Sir, you have

a daughter studying Medicine.

 

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"She doesn't wear a headscarf.

 

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"Why don't you make

her wear a headscarf?

 

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"If you...

 

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"If you can't get your own daughter

to wear a headscarf,

 

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"how do you expect me to make

10 million Egyptian women do it"?

 

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MOROCCO

 

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My dear children, you must

 

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keep in contact

 

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with Allah

 

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in order to stay on a clear path.

 

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Stop watching movies

that lead you astray.

 

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They are the work of the devil

 

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that want to see your downfall.

 

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Avoid anything that may stop you

 

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from serving Allah and praying.

 

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I'm OK with movies about religion.

 

0158 10:20:55:22 10:21:00:08

 

But non-religious films

are forbidden.

 

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Oh my God, that's awful,

my father will kill me.

 

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My brother's going to kill me.

What am I going to do, Lord?

 

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Shall I have an abortion?

Kill myself?

 

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Dear God, please help me.

 

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Here,

 

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in our neighbourhood, there are

more than 17 Islamist organisations.

 

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Seventeen?

 

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With their own laws,

like segregation.

 

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Just one cultural organisation

but 17 Islamist.

 

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This is where you faint.

 

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Help her find her bearings.

 

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In this forum,

the youngsters mostly choose topics

 

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that they feel are the most crucial.

 

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Have you been told

music is haram?

 

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Yes, at school they tell us

 

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it's a sin.

 

0175 10:22:13:02 10:22:16:00

 

Our Muslim education teachers say so.

 

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Music soothes the soul

 

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but not the soul of our censors.

 

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Even in the prophet's era,

 

0179 10:22:28:20 10:22:32:18

 

there was music and dancers.

 

0180 10:22:32:22 10:22:35:11

 

They used to have fun?

- Yes.

 

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At school, we were forbidden

 

0182 10:22:41:00 10:22:45:06

 

from sitting next to the boys.

 

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There's nothing in our religion

 

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that forbids us from mixing.

 

0185 10:22:53:01 10:22:56:10

 

They're imposing their ideology on us.

 

0186 10:22:56:14 10:22:58:10

 

My Muslim education teacher

 

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always told me

not to wear my hair down

 

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and not to wear perfume,

 

0189 10:23:04:23 10:23:07:18

 

so as not to arouse

 

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men's sexual desires.

 

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At the hammam, she insisted

that I cover up my intimate areas.

 

0192 10:23:15:00 10:23:19:07

 

One day, I bumped into her at the hammam

and she was only wearing panties.

 

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What did she say?

- That at the hammam,

 

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we must wear the same skirts

as women with niqabs.

 

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I see her in panties

at the hamamm and I say to her:

 

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"You're allowed to wear panties,

but it's forbidden for us?"

 

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What's happened to you, daughter?

- She's pregnant.

 

0198 10:23:35:11 10:23:38:23

 

My daughter must be sick.

- No, she's pregnant.

 

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We need to get you to hospital.

- Sorry, Mum.

 

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What have you done?

 

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There is a shift towards the past

 

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that includes this Fatwas trend.

 

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If we let it happen,

 

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that will be the end

of going out or going to a café.

 

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We won't be able to talk

to our brothers or our family anymore.

 

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Some people have

already got to this point.

 

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The more we keep quiet,

the more they'll take over

 

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our lives and attack us.

 

0209 10:24:16:05 10:24:21:02

 

Take a look at

old Egyptian movies, for example.

 

0210 10:24:22:03 10:24:27:03

 

The actor Adel Imam

used to chase actresses.

 

0211 10:24:27:07 10:24:31:21

 

He flirted with all the actresses.

 

0212 10:24:32:00 10:24:34:23

 

I'm sure he slept with

all his co-stars, even Fifi Abdou.

 

0213 10:24:35:02 10:24:40:24

 

Old Egyptian movies were very hot.

 

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Not like today.

 

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Do you watch them?

- They show them on satellite TV.

 

0216 10:24:47:01 10:24:49:05

 

Do you watch them?

- No.

 

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People watch them secretly.

 

0218 10:24:52:06 10:24:54:14

 

They can't get enough of them.

 

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Even parents love watching

them secretly.

 

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In Sousse we performed

in a huge amphitheatre.

 

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Off stage,

some people asked us about

 

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our motivation and goals

 

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and why we chose erotic scenes.

 

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They were embarrassed by the show.

 

0225 10:26:14:00 10:26:17:10

 

Some of them were happy.

We could feel there were two sides:

 

0226 10:26:17:14 10:26:19:21

 

One side was transfixed

and uncomfortable,

 

0227 10:26:20:00 10:26:24:03

 

the other was saying: "It's great,

go for it, it's our culture."

 

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It's a reality, it's our heritage.

We can't just throw it away.

 

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Even if all the Imams

of the world wanted us to throw it away,

 

0230 10:26:32:03 10:26:34:24

 

it's impossible: It's here.

So, what do we do?

 

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We can't act as if it never existed.

 Do we keep it in the closet?

 

0232 10:26:39:04 10:26:41:17

 

What do we do with this heritage?

It's a reality.

 

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Of course.

 

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Your character lives in 2022,

 

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in France

where people have had enough.

 

0236 10:28:05:23 10:28:08:19

 

Marine Le Pen is

in the second round of elections,

 

0237 10:28:08:23 10:28:11:13

 

opposing a candidate

representing a Muslim party:

 

0238 10:28:11:17 10:28:15:05

 

An Islamist conservative,

middle-of-the-road democratic party.

 

0239 10:28:15:09 10:28:17:14

 

This candidate is elected president.

 

0240 10:28:17:18 10:28:21:14

 

Things go smoothly,

people feel a sense of relief.

 

0241 10:28:21:18 10:28:24:02

 

Order is resumed,

security is improved,

 

0242 10:28:24:06 10:28:27:02

 

unemployment rates fall

and family values are held high.

 

0243 10:28:27:06 10:28:31:04

 

But women stop working,

female students wear the hijab,

 

0244 10:28:31:08 10:28:34:00

 

polygamy is allowed and so on...

 

0245 10:28:34:04 10:28:36:03

 

What is this, Michel Houellebecq?

 

0246 10:28:36:07 10:28:39:03

 

Pure fiction?

Your vision of the future?

 

0247 10:28:40:06 10:28:45:03

 

It's a possibility that may not

happen quite as soon as in the book.

 

0248 10:28:45:07 10:28:50:00

 

2022 seems very close,

but it's a strong possibility.

 

0249 10:28:50:04 10:28:54:04

 

Hey Choukri. How are you?

I'm fine.

 

0250 10:28:55:03 10:28:58:21

 

I watched

the Houellebecq videos you sent me.

 

0251 10:28:59:00 10:29:03:01

 

Yes, I read the book.

I bought it...

 

0252 10:29:03:05 10:29:05:22

 

I have the receipt.

You need to reimburse me.

 

0253 10:29:06:01 10:29:08:22

 

I don't want

to give my money to that kind of guy.

 

0254 10:29:14:14 10:29:18:00

 

Some passages are a bit exaggerated

when talking about Sharia Law

 

0255 10:29:18:04 10:29:21:02

 

We need to be careful.

 

0256 10:29:21:06 10:29:25:02

 

We can't just start talking rubbish.

It's a touchy subject.

 

0257 10:29:25:06 10:29:28:12

 

We need to think...

to be smart you know.

 

0258 10:29:35:14 10:29:39:23

 

We need to take

the Muslim brotherhood into account.

 

0259 10:29:40:02 10:29:42:20

 

It's a French political party.

 

0260 10:29:43:02 10:29:45:12

 

You mean in the book?

- Yes.

 

0261 10:29:45:16 10:29:48:05

 

It might become reality.

- Most probably.

 

0262 10:29:51:08 10:29:53:09

 

"Ten questions about Islam.

 

0263 10:29:53:13 10:29:55:11

 

"Why polygamy?"

 

0264 10:29:56:11 10:29:59:02

 

That's interesting.

- "Why" is already...

 

0265 10:29:59:06 10:30:02:02

 

Straight away, Islam equals polygamy.

We reduce Islam to that.

 

0266 10:30:02:06 10:30:05:24

 

"I'm gay,

am I allowed to marry a woman?"

 

0267 10:30:06:03 10:30:08:16

 

Do you hear that?

- The answers are interesting...

 

0268 10:30:08:20 10:30:11:04

 

Yes, but do you see

the order of these questions?

 

0269 10:30:11:08 10:30:15:00

 

Is Islam tolerant?

Must a gay guy marry a woman?

 

0270 10:30:15:04 10:30:17:19

 

All this at the same time

as asking if Islam is tolerant.

 

0271 10:30:17:23 10:30:20:13

 

It's a thought process, Murad.

 

0272 10:30:20:17 10:30:24:00

 

Like asking: "If I ass fuck you

without lubricant, will it hurt?"

 

0273 10:30:24:04 10:30:27:01

 

No. "Is that being honest?"

It's a question.

 

0274 10:30:27:05 10:30:31:08

 

Why am I asking you these questions?

Because we're not allowed to ask them.

 

0275 10:30:31:12 10:30:35:21

 

This could be an interesting scene

that makes the audience think.

 

0276 10:30:36:00 10:30:40:17

 

"Do you know Islam?"

That could be an interesting scene.

 

0277 10:30:40:21 10:30:43:11

 

The thing is, Murad...

 

0278 10:30:43:15 10:30:47:09

 

I understand that you are mad

when there are stereotypes, etc.

 

0279 10:30:47:13 10:30:50:16

 

But 90% of people,

 

0280 10:30:50:20 10:30:54:04

 

including all of us here,

think in terms of stereotypes.

 

0281 10:30:54:15 10:30:57:08

 

We're playing around

with stereotypes.

 

0282 10:30:57:12 10:31:00:24

 

Sorry, but what we're reading here is

that Muslims are dangerous people

 

0283 10:31:01:03 10:31:03:13

 

who want four wives and so on...

 

0284 10:31:03:17 10:31:07:09

 

For people to accept that he's a son

of a bitch who likes to fuck students,

 

0285 10:31:07:13 10:31:10:04

 

eat crap and shit everywhere,

 

0286 10:31:10:08 10:31:12:06

 

he needs to create an enemy.

 

0287 10:31:12:10 10:31:15:10

 

The best enemy he could find,

is the scary Muslim.

 

0288 10:31:15:14 10:31:20:05

 

Why can't Houellebecq's character

 

0289 10:31:20:09 10:31:24:08

 

ask these questions?

 

0290 10:31:25:17 10:31:28:09

 

And when we perform it,

 

0291 10:31:28:13 10:31:32:02

 

we can cast doubt

on whoever is asking these questions.

 

0292 10:31:32:06 10:31:33:24

 

Can we do that?

 

0293 10:31:34:03 10:31:37:22

 

Otherwise, why perform Houellebecq?

- That's why you play a character.

 

0294 10:31:38:01 10:31:40:03

 

I don't want to just get on stage

 

0295 10:31:40:07 10:31:43:23

 

and confirm what people think

of a community,

 

0296 10:31:44:02 10:31:47:12

 

1,5 billion people.

Reducing it to simple fact.

 

0297 10:31:47:16 10:31:52:09

 

I'm afraid we'll start to censor

ourselves for fear of offending people.

 

0298 10:31:52:13 10:31:56:05

 

We're not judging Houellebecq.

Keep in mind that he's an artist

 

0299 10:31:56:09 10:31:59:05

 

and an artist can do

whatever he wants.

 

0300 10:31:59:09 10:32:02:24

 

We have certain limitations.

 

0301 10:32:03:14 10:32:07:11

 

You know that fear plays a part.

We can't say anything, especially...

 

0302 10:32:07:15 10:32:11:16

 

To get to the heart of the discussion

 

0303 10:32:11:20 10:32:17:02

 

especially when it comes to religion

and the Muslim religion in particular.

 

0304 10:32:17:06 10:32:21:08

 

I would love to have complete freedom

and if people leave, even better.

 

0305 10:32:21:12 10:32:25:24

 

Let them leave. I just don't want

them to get on stage and kick my ass.

 

0306 10:32:26:03 10:32:28:14

 

I'm telling you honestly,

 

0307 10:32:28:18 10:32:33:19

 

even Murad, with his big mouth,

we're just scared.

 

0308 10:32:33:23 10:32:36:13

 

But we're trying to be brave.

 

0309 10:32:37:14 10:32:39:17

 

Let's carry on.

- OK, let's carry on.

 

0310 10:34:16:14 10:34:21:14

 

We pretty much know it,

we just need to work on the details.

 

0311 10:34:21:18 10:34:25:04

 

We don't know

who will do what yet.

 

0312 10:34:25:08 10:34:30:02

 

We still have next week,

but we've not much time left.

 

0313 10:34:31:02 10:34:33:13

 

We're under a kind of veil like this.

 

0314 10:34:33:21 10:34:36:11

 

We want to show

that we're imprisoned.

 

0315 10:34:36:15 10:34:38:14

 

We end up freeing ourselves

 

0316 10:34:38:18 10:34:41:02

 

and we throw off the veil.

 

0317 10:34:41:22 10:34:43:17

 

Oops, sorry.

 

0318 10:34:47:17 10:34:49:22

 

There. What do you think?

 

0319 10:34:50:01 10:34:52:04

 

I think it depicts the glamour

 

0320 10:34:52:08 10:34:55:16

 

of the Marilyn Monroe years.

When dresses were glamorous,

 

0321 10:34:55:20 10:34:58:08

 

suggestive, but not too much.

 

0322 10:34:58:12 10:35:00:12

 

Like this one. It's very pretty.

 

0323 10:35:00:16 10:35:04:00

 

This shade matches all complexions.

- Indeed.

 

0324 10:35:04:04 10:35:06:06

 

This colour suits everyone.

- Yes.

 

0325 10:35:06:10 10:35:09:08

 

It's really very beautiful.

So, listen girls.

 

0326 10:35:09:12 10:35:13:06

 

I'd love to belly dance in my coat.

 

0327 10:35:13:10 10:35:15:19

 

What do you think?

It would be cheaper.

 

0328 10:35:15:23 10:35:18:12

 

I put on my coat, button it up...

 

0329 10:35:18:16 10:35:21:09

 

Do I look like a belly dancer?

Can you see anything?

 

0330 10:35:21:13 10:35:22:24

 

Put that on.

 

0331 10:35:23:22 10:35:29:03

 

Belly dancers,

this is the current new trend.

 

0332 10:35:29:07 10:35:33:04

 

I don't think we'd be allowed

to wear such fabulous dresses.

 

0333 10:35:33:08 10:35:35:06

 

Cover yourself up!

- Yes.

 

0334 10:35:36:12 10:35:39:16

 

The belly dancer has arrived.

 

0335 10:35:41:18 10:35:43:20

 

And even better...

 

0336 10:35:43:24 10:35:46:14

 

Sorry.

- You forgot.

 

0337 10:35:46:18 10:35:52:19

 

Let me introduce you

to the 2020 belly dancer!

 

0338 10:35:52:23 10:35:54:12

 

Do you like it? Be honest.

 

0339 10:35:54:16 10:35:57:17

 

Come on.

- We can't dance in a djellaba.

 

0340 10:36:13:15 10:36:16:24

 

I hope we'll get authorization.

We're still waiting for it.

 

0341 10:36:17:03 10:36:19:11

 

I really hope

that this is going to happen

 

0342 10:36:19:16 10:36:24:19

 

because it means

a lot to me and I'll be able to...

 

0343 10:36:24:23 10:36:28:07

 

say things that I've not always

been able to express, especially

 

0344 10:36:28:11 10:36:30:22

 

to the people

who I want to say them to,

 

0345 10:36:31:01 10:36:35:00

 

about belly dancing,

women and the freedom of women.

 

0346 10:36:35:04 10:36:39:02

 

"The circle" is

some women standing in a circle.

 

0347 10:36:39:06 10:36:43:21

 

Like when we're at home, shut away

and we don't dare do anything

 

0348 10:36:44:00 10:36:47:05

 

because of our culture, our religion

and what others would think of us.

 

0349 10:36:47:09 10:36:50:10

 

Those women decide to defy the taboos

 

0350 10:36:50:14 10:36:52:11

 

and follow their own path

 

0351 10:36:52:15 10:36:55:17

 

in order to show that they exist,

have things to say,

 

0352 10:36:55:21 10:36:57:20

 

are free to show their bodies

 

0353 10:36:57:24 10:37:01:00

 

and are not embarrassed

to be a woman or have breasts.

 

0354 10:37:01:04 10:37:04:13

 

It's almost like we have to be ashamed

of having breasts and asses

 

0355 10:37:04:17 10:37:06:05

 

in some cultures.

 

0356 10:37:06:09 10:37:10:21

 

Must they cut off every part of us,

because we can’t exist as women?

 

0357 10:37:11:00 10:37:16:09

 

We are just tools

for bringing children into the world.

 

0358 10:37:16:13 10:37:20:10

 

That's all we are in some cultures.

 

0359 10:37:20:14 10:37:21:24

 

We are much more than that.

 

0360 10:37:22:16 10:37:27:02

 

You're almost afraid of telling

an Arabic family that you're a dancer.

 

0361 10:37:27:17 10:37:29:16

 

"Do you know that she's a dancer?"

 

0362 10:37:31:00 10:37:33:24

 

They'll talk behind your back.

- Because they see it as taboo.

 

0363 10:37:34:03 10:37:35:19

 

Because they don’t know it.

 

0364 10:37:35:23 10:37:38:20

 

Belly dance is

phenomenally successful worldwide.

 

0365 10:37:38:24 10:37:42:04

 

We are all attracted to belly dance,

 

0366 10:37:42:08 10:37:44:12

 

but we can't bring it into our homes.

 

0367 10:37:44:16 10:37:50:00

 

Your brother, Amin, fell in love

with a girl who he loved deeply.

 

0368 10:37:50:04 10:37:53:05

 

We asked her family

if he could marry her.

 

0369 10:37:53:09 10:37:56:24

 

He put his heart on the table

and so did I.

 

0370 10:37:57:03 10:37:59:01

 

Things went fairly well.

 

0371 10:37:59:05 10:38:02:09

 

His sisters Googled me

and it was over.

 

0372 10:38:02:13 10:38:07:01

 

They didn't want him anymore

because I was a dancer and teacher.

 

0373 10:38:07:05 10:38:10:18

 

My son has to go through

what I've already had to go through.

 

0374 10:38:10:22 10:38:13:21

 

He has to go through that

and he couldn't build his life.

 

0375 10:39:56:03 10:40:00:15

 

It's one story of a woman among millions

and billions in the Arabic world,

 

0376 10:40:00:19 10:40:06:09

 

who still suffer today

and can't live with their differences

 

0377 10:40:06:13 10:40:10:08

 

and the choices they have made.

 

0378 10:41:09:12 10:41:11:18

 

Thank you beautiful.

May Allah protect you.

 

0379 10:41:22:12 10:41:28:02

 

Thank you beautiful.

May Allah protect you.

 

0380 10:41:28:06 10:41:34:20

 

Speaking out in the Arabic world,

is very difficult today.

 

0381 10:41:34:24 10:41:40:01

 

We can't live

if we can't let everyone have their say.

 

0382 10:41:41:10 10:41:44:02

 

If we can't have our say,

 

0383 10:41:44:06 10:41:46:09

 

sadly, we won't get very far

 

0384 10:41:46:23 10:41:50:22

 

because the oppressor will

always oppress.

 

0385 10:41:51:01 10:41:53:21

 

And when we're living in oppression,

 

0386 10:41:54:00 10:41:56:16

 

we're not living in a healthy society.

 

0387 10:42:15:03 10:42:19:14

 

When we say "Anassou sawassiya"...

I remember this very clearly.

 

0388 10:42:19:18 10:42:23:20

 

It means that we're all equal.

In God's eyes, we're all equal.

 

0389 10:42:23:24 10:42:28:18

 

So, as a human being, it's not up to you

to hold me accountable.

 

0390 10:42:41:22 10:42:45:16

 

I lived for years thinking that

 

0391 10:42:45:20 10:42:50:04

 

my father

was judgmental of my choices.

 

0392 10:42:50:08 10:42:56:07

 

He opened up to a reporter and said:

 

0393 10:42:57:02 10:43:01:22

 

"They're her choices.

She does what she wants.

 

0394 10:43:02:01 10:43:07:00

 

"In the end, she's the one

who will be held accountable by God."

 

0395 10:43:07:04 10:43:13:12

 

He clearly says:

"I'm a religious man, a devout Muslim,

 

0396 10:43:13:16 10:43:17:07

 

"but my daughter's actions go

against my beliefs,

 

0397 10:43:17:11 10:43:20:19

 

"but my love for her goes beyond that.

 

0398 10:43:20:23 10:43:23:06

 

"So, if someone has to be held

accountable,

 

0399 10:43:23:10 10:43:25:18

 

it will be her and not me."

 

0400 10:44:55:10 10:44:59:01

 

Help me, help me

 

0401 10:45:01:11 10:45:05:22

 

Do not let me perish here

 

0402 10:45:10:23 10:45:15:15

 

Help me, help me

 

0403 10:45:15:19 10:45:20:11

 

Do not let me die here

 

0404 10:45:22:24 10:45:26:14

 

Help me, help me

 

0405 10:45:27:08 10:45:31:09

 

Love deserves

 

0406 10:45:32:10 10:45:35:22

 

the ultimate blasphemy...

 

0407 10:45:37:08 10:45:40:24

 

Is that OK? I'm not happy.

Can we start over?

 

0408 10:45:41:03 10:45:43:06

 

I'm confident in my voice.

 

0409 10:45:43:10 10:45:46:20

 

I feel like I'm repeating myself.

 

0410 10:46:11:20 10:46:17:04

 

This is a very effective mask,

I'm going to put it on your face.

 

0411 10:46:17:08 10:46:20:05

 

What is it?

- A cedar mask.

 

0412 10:46:21:23 10:46:25:13

 

It's very popular in Iran.

 

0413 10:46:26:03 10:46:27:06

 

Carefully.

 

0414 10:46:27:10 10:46:31:21

 

Why couldn't I shape

my eyebrows before I was 18?

 

0415 10:46:32:15 10:46:38:12

 

You could,

but you wouldn't let me do it.

 

0416 10:46:38:16 10:46:40:13

 

You were going to ruin

your face,

 

0417 10:46:40:17 10:46:44:12

 

that's why I wanted to do it myself.

 

0418 10:46:44:16 10:46:47:15

 

I wasn't even allowed to shave my legs.

 

0419 10:46:47:19 10:46:51:20

 

If you shave too young,

the hairs grow back thicker.

 

0420 10:46:51:24 10:46:55:07

 

When I was 14,

I had to go to school with hairy legs.

 

0421 10:46:55:11 10:46:58:06

 

Yes, I know.

 

0422 10:47:05:12 10:47:09:04

 

Mum, if I want to film you

for my play...

 

0423 10:47:09:08 10:47:10:11

 

OK.

 

0424 10:47:11:05 10:47:13:17

 

Can we talk about anything?

 

0425 10:47:13:21 10:47:17:20

 

Yes, I've no problem with that.

 

0426 10:47:17:24 10:47:19:07

 

Aren't you afraid?

 

0427 10:47:19:11 10:47:21:21

 

Of what?

- Because you often go back to Iran.

 

0428 10:47:22:00 10:47:27:12

 

I'm not into politics,

I've no problem.

 

0429 10:47:27:16 10:47:30:18

 

If I want you to be in my plays...

- Ok, do it.

 

0430 10:47:30:22 10:47:33:08

 

I only want to show my play here.

Show it to the world,

 

0431 10:47:33:12 10:47:36:13

 

I've done nothing wrong.

We've nothing to do with the regime.

 

0432 10:48:04:17 10:48:08:09

 

Are there any dates left?

- They must be in the corner, there.

 

0433 10:48:11:17 10:48:13:21

 

These are the old photos.

 

0434 10:48:15:08 10:48:17:22

 

Let's look at them together.

 

0435 10:48:18:01 10:48:22:04

 

It's the photo of your grandma.

 

0436 10:48:25:14 10:48:27:06

 

She looks very young.

- She was only 57.

 

0437 10:48:27:10 10:48:29:11

 

She'd just arrived in Belgium?

- Yes.

 

0438 10:48:30:02 10:48:33:03

 

I am wearing the clothes

your father brought me from Germany.

 

0439 10:48:33:07 10:48:36:14

 

Everybody was looking at me.

 

0440 10:48:36:18 10:48:39:20

 

People said my pants were too short.

 

0441 10:48:39:24 10:48:43:19

 

That was short?

- We didn't wear those kind of pants.

 

0442 10:48:43:23 10:48:48:05

 

What was wrong with that?

- My in-laws

 

0443 10:48:48:09 10:48:52:03

 

disapproved

of me wearing short clothes.

 

0444 10:48:52:07 10:48:55:01

 

They call those short pants?

- Yes.

 

0445 10:48:55:05 10:48:58:17

 

I was more open-minded.

- Did the family think so?

 

0446 10:48:58:21 10:49:03:06

 

Yes, even though I felt

more like I was restricted.

 

0447 10:49:03:10 10:49:06:24

 

So-called free women were unpopular.

 

0448 10:49:07:13 10:49:10:00

 

This photo was taken

before I was married.

 

0449 10:49:10:04 10:49:13:00

 

You had your hair cut like Googoosh,

the Iranian singer.

 

0450 10:49:13:04 10:49:16:01

 

I always wore my hair short.

 

0451 10:49:16:05 10:49:18:11

 

I wasn't pregnant with you yet.

 

0452 10:49:18:15 10:49:22:12

 

Back then, it was trendy

to look like Googoosh.

 

0453 10:49:23:23 10:49:27:11

 

We took this photo secretly.

 

0454 10:49:27:15 10:49:32:02

 

We were being watched.

 

0455 10:49:32:06 10:49:35:18

 

Eventually, we found

a room where we could take it.

 

0456 10:49:35:22 10:49:41:06

 

It's ugly, it was taken in a closet.

 

0457 10:49:42:13 10:49:46:07

 

I was very pushy.

The photographer was afraid.

 

0458 10:49:46:11 10:49:49:19

 

Was it shameful

to have your photo taken?

 

0459 10:49:49:23 10:49:53:04

 

It was inappropriate.

Something bad girls did.

 

0460 10:49:53:08 10:49:56:16

 

When was it taken?

 

0461 10:49:56:20 10:50:00:08

 

About 42 or 43 years ago.

 

0462 10:50:01:19 10:50:05:16

 

Did you love grandpa?

- Very much. He loved me too.

 

0463 10:50:05:20 10:50:08:05

 

Did he find it hard

when you left Iran?

 

0464 10:50:08:09 10:50:13:08

 

He didn't

want to say goodbye to me.

 

0465 10:50:13:12 10:50:17:22

 

We took a cab to Tehran

before the big journey.

 

0466 10:50:18:01 10:50:19:20

 

My father said to me:

 

0467 10:50:19:24 10:50:23:22

 

"I don't want to say goodbye to you."

 

0468 10:50:24:01 10:50:28:03

 

Suddenly, I saw him chasing the cab

 

0469 10:50:28:07 10:50:30:08

 

to kiss us goodbye.

 

0470 10:50:30:12 10:50:33:01

 

It was our last kiss.

 

0471 10:50:33:05 10:50:37:10

 

I didn't see him

for 8 years and then he died.

 

0472 10:50:42:00 10:50:45:08

 

Life goes on.

 

0473 10:52:55:06 10:52:58:18

 

"Why are you so naive?

Have a nose job,

 

0474 10:52:58:22 10:53:00:24

 

"smarten yourself up."

 

0475 10:54:37:19 10:54:39:09

 

I love this part.

 

0476 10:54:58:19 10:55:00:07

 

Beautiful, isn't it?

 

0477 10:55:07:19 10:55:12:01

 

This was my childhood song,

growing up in Algeria.

 

0478 10:55:12:05 10:55:16:04

 

I think that it's thanks to this singer,

that I started singing.

 

0479 10:55:16:08 10:55:20:00

 

She was my Mum's favourite singer.

My Mum was a great singer too.

 

0480 10:55:20:04 10:55:23:07

 

She could have been a professional.

 

0481 10:55:23:11 10:55:25:12

 

I grew up listening to Fairuz.

 

0482 10:55:25:16 10:55:28:10

 

For me singing was a way to...

 

0483 10:55:29:16 10:55:32:00

 

Thanks to music,

I found other people like me.

 

0484 10:55:32:04 10:55:34:04

 

Thanks to 80's British pop music.

 

0485 10:55:34:08 10:55:37:16

 

For me it was really amazing.

I already had an ear for music.

 

0486 10:55:37:20 10:55:39:23

 

For me it was an amazing discovery.

 

0487 10:55:40:02 10:55:43:14

 

I thought I was all alone in the world

and suddenly I find people like me,

 

0488 10:55:43:18 10:55:46:15

 

living happily, comfortably

and accepting themselves.

 

0489 10:55:46:19 10:55:51:13

 

So I began singing, I began one day...

I was dreaming and that helped me

 

0490 10:55:51:17 10:55:56:17

 

to accept myself, not completely,

but to accept reality somehow.

 

0491 10:55:58:23 10:56:02:21

 

It's crazy that one day

I end up singing professionally.

 

0492 10:56:03:00 10:56:05:22

 

And I even ended up singing

with those people.

 

0493 10:56:06:01 10:56:11:19

 

When that happens, you tell yourself

that if God exists, he's not homophobic.

 

0494 10:56:11:23 10:56:14:05

 

Yes, it's almost like a miracle.

 

0495 10:56:14:20 10:56:20:00

 

Yet, some people are very extreme

 

0496 10:56:20:04 10:56:22:09

 

and we have a radical government,

 

0497 10:56:22:13 10:56:25:22

 

but, let me give you an example:

My parents grew up in Algeria.

 

0498 10:56:26:01 10:56:28:21

 

My Mum was a practicing Muslim,

 

0499 10:56:29:00 10:56:33:14

 

She saw religion as something

that should unify rather than divide.

 

0500 10:56:33:18 10:56:36:07

 

She was a very tolerant woman.

 

0501 10:56:36:11 10:56:41:07

 

I was lucky to grow up

in such a tolerant family.

 

0502 10:56:41:11 10:56:45:23

 

That's lucky. I am sure there are

lots of people like that

 

0503 10:56:46:02 10:56:50:22

 

in Arab countries or North Africa...

 

0504 10:56:51:01 10:56:55:01

 

But we don't hear them.

- They don't speak out because...

 

0505 10:56:57:02 10:56:59:11

 

because they're afraid.

 

0506 11:07:20:21 11:07:23:22

 

This is Aïcha, my new wife.

 

0507 11:07:24:01 11:07:27:08

 

She's embarrassed because you should

never have seen her without a hijab.

 

0508 11:07:27:20 11:07:30:03

 

She looks very young.

 

0509 11:07:30:07 11:07:32:19

 

Yes, she just turned 15.

 

0510 11:07:36:06 11:07:40:01

 

I have tea if you like.

I've also got liquor.

 

0511 11:07:40:16 11:07:43:18

 

Whisky, port or Meursault wine.

It's a very fine one.

 

0512 11:07:43:22 11:07:45:19

 

I'll have the Meursault, then.

 

0513 11:07:45:23 11:07:48:21

 

I thought Islam prohibits alcohol.

 

0514 11:07:49:00 11:07:51:16

 

He's showing me a religion

that I barely know.

 

0515 11:07:51:20 11:07:54:22

 

I want to persuade you to return to

your teaching position

 

0516 11:07:55:01 11:07:57:01

 

at the Sorbonne.

 

0517 11:07:58:03 11:07:59:23

 

There must be a condition.

 

0518 11:08:01:00 11:08:04:10

 

A significant one.

- Exactly.

 

0519 11:08:06:10 11:08:10:24

 

Do you see me as someone

who could convert to Islam?

 

0520 11:08:15:18 11:08:16:18

 

Yes.

 

0521 11:08:18:00 11:08:19:16

 

You're not Catholic.

 

0522 11:08:20:08 11:08:22:15

 

That could have been a problem.

 

0523 11:08:25:11 11:08:27:06

 

Catholic? Definitely not.

 

0524 11:08:56:00 11:08:58:10

 

Civilizations are not killed,

 

0525 11:08:58:22 11:09:00:08

 

they commit suicide.

 

0526 11:09:11:06 11:09:14:23

 

There is no God but Allah

Allah akbar

 

0527 11:09:15:14 11:09:16:21

 

Liberty.

 

0528 11:09:17:09 11:09:18:16

 

Equality.

 

0529 11:09:19:04 11:09:20:11

 

Fraternity.

 

0530 11:09:20:23 11:09:23:16

 

The return

of the religious figure is unavoidable.

 

0531 11:09:24:04 11:09:26:14

 

When he dies, the believer

 

0532 11:09:26:18 11:09:29:02

 

falls into a deep sleep.

 

0533 11:09:39:11 11:09:42:13

 

And now, calmly,

 

0534 11:09:43:07 11:09:48:23

 

I'll spell out

the magic words phonetically.

 

0535 11:09:50:08 11:09:52:17

 

There is no God but Allah

 

0536 11:09:52:21 11:09:54:24

 

and Muhammad is His messenger.

 

0537 11:09:57:04 11:09:59:04

 

And now that I've finished,

 

0538 11:10:00:22 11:10:02:17

 

from this moment onwards,

 

0539 11:10:03:19 11:10:05:14

 

I am a Muslim.

 

0540 11:10:18:15 11:10:23:17

 

Do you think that, at that moment,

he has actually converted to Islam?

 

0541 11:10:25:23 11:10:28:16

 

I wonder if he really needs

to say this sentence?

 

0542 11:10:33:04 11:10:35:08

 

It's so much prettier

when he says it.

 

0543 11:10:35:12 11:10:39:13

 

If he says it,

he converts for real on stage.

 

0544 11:10:42:01 11:10:44:18

 

It will only be role play.

 

0545 11:10:44:22 11:10:47:13

 

The thing is, if he says it,

 

0546 11:10:47:17 11:10:50:20

 

we have a problem with the nudity.

Whether he says it or I say it.

 

0547 11:10:50:24 11:10:53:05

 

When you say it, he's not naked.

- I know.

 

0548 11:10:53:09 11:10:56:02

 

I know, but I'm talking about

the basic mentality

 

0549 11:10:56:06 11:10:58:11

 

of people who think that way.

 

0550 11:10:58:15 11:11:02:01

 

You see,

the fact that he's naked

 

0551 11:11:02:05 11:11:05:02

 

and we're using

the prophet Muhammad's name

 

0552 11:11:05:21 11:11:08:10

 

more or less at the same time,

can be very dangerous.

 

0553 11:11:13:17 11:11:17:13

 

I find it very powerful

when he uses those words in Arabic.

 

0554 11:11:17:17 11:11:22:22

 

I find it very powerful

when he uses those words in Arabic.

 

0555 11:11:23:01 11:11:25:18

 

That's still there in the middle...

 

0556 11:11:25:22 11:11:29:11

 

Does he really want to convert?

- Agreed.

 

0557 11:11:29:15 11:11:34:08

 

To be clear, it's only dangerous

for a split second

 

0558 11:11:34:12 11:11:37:08

 

when I say the prayer

while he's naked.

 

0559 11:11:37:12 11:11:41:08

 

For the rest of the time...

It's not a nudity problem.

 

0560 11:11:41:12 11:11:43:22

 

He can be naked for the whole play,

I don't care.

 

0561 11:11:44:01 11:11:48:16

 

I understand your worries,

but for me, it goes against freedom.

 

0562 11:11:49:14 11:11:53:12

 

That's my point of view.

I feel kind of...

 

0563 11:11:55:13 11:11:59:11

 

I don't want us to risk our lives.

Especially him, poor Steven.

 

0564 11:12:00:12 11:12:04:20

 

There is some sensitivity.

Even I can feel it and I think...

 

0565 11:12:05:21 11:12:08:03

 

It should be a beautiful play.

 

0566 11:12:08:07 11:12:12:21

 

We shouldn't be wondering

what others might think of it.

 

0567 11:12:13:00 11:12:14:13

 

For me,

 

0568 11:12:14:17 11:12:17:24

 

they can be Catholics, Muslims

or Protestants.

 

0569 11:12:18:03 11:12:19:13

 

I don't give a damn.

 

0570 11:12:19:17 11:12:22:03

 

Either it's a good play or it isn't.

 

0571 11:12:22:14 11:12:25:02

 

That's how we should see things.

 

0572 11:12:25:06 11:12:29:14

 

Chokri, we agree with you.

That's not what we're saying here.

 

0573 11:12:29:18 11:12:32:08

 

We all agree, but, my friend,

 

0574 11:12:32:12 11:12:35:07

 

we're the ones on stage.

Do you get that?

 

0575 11:12:35:11 11:12:38:16

 

I speak for myself and I agree with you,

 

0576 11:12:38:20 11:12:40:17

 

but I'm on stage.

 

0577 11:12:40:21 11:12:43:09

 

Like it or not,

the first to be attacked,

 

0578 11:12:43:13 11:12:48:03

 

it's my Brussels fans who've seen

all my films who come to see this,

 

0579 11:12:48:07 11:12:53:10

 

I'll have the Fatwas thrown at me

and be called a traitor, not you.

 

0580 11:12:53:14 11:12:56:11

 

Because people

from Molenbeek, etc, like me.

 

0581 11:12:56:15 11:12:59:17

 

They follow my work and come to watch

what I do, do you get it?

 

0582 11:12:59:21 11:13:02:05

 

At some point,

that's what it's all about.

 

0583 11:13:02:09 11:13:06:24

 

I'd like to discuss all this

and I really agree with you all.

 

0584 11:13:07:03 11:13:10:06

 

We shouldn't even have to discuss it,

but unfortunately,

 

0585 11:13:10:10 11:13:13:07

 

the way things are today

makes it dangerous to do that.

 

0586 11:13:13:11 11:13:17:19

 

So, if you can assure me

that you'll protect me, let's do it.

 

0587 11:13:17:23 11:13:22:01

 

But, if you don't come every night

and one day we have a problem on stage,

 

0588 11:13:22:05 11:13:24:20

 

I don't want that,

I have a kid and that's it.

 

0589 11:13:24:24 11:13:26:20

 

It's as simple as that.

 

0590 11:13:26:24 11:13:29:00

 

What should we do then?

- I've no idea.

 

0591 11:13:29:04 11:13:32:20

 

I might be wrong, but I'm scared

of being the next Charlie Hebdo.

 

0592 11:13:32:24 11:13:36:20

 

I understand that, Murad.

- I've still got my life to live.

 

0593 11:13:38:08 11:13:42:22

 

So, should we perform

Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs?

 

0594 11:13:43:21 11:13:45:23

 

Please, no.

 

0595 11:13:46:02 11:13:49:16

 

If people want to attack you,

they will, no matter what.

 

0596 11:13:49:20 11:13:53:20

 

Just like with Holy Mother

of Flanders. They'll find a reason.

 

0597 11:13:54:00 11:13:57:18

 

But people attacked you with candles

in front of the theatre while they sang.

 

0598 11:13:57:22 11:14:00:21

 

No, I had a death threat.

 

0599 11:14:01:00 11:14:05:11

 

Nowadays, Islamists kill people,

they don't just threaten you.

 

0600 11:16:18:23 11:16:21:19

 

Have you been crying?

- No, why would I be crying?

 

0601 11:16:21:23 11:16:26:01

 

Why the bags under your eyes?

- I've no idea.

 

0602 11:16:26:05 11:16:28:24

 

I must be tired.

 

0603 11:16:59:19 11:17:01:04

 

This is Aïcha,

 

0604 11:17:01:21 11:17:03:06

 

my new wife.

 

0605 11:17:04:07 11:17:07:21

 

She's embarrassed because you should

never have seen her without a hijab.

 

0606 11:17:09:23 11:17:11:22

 

She looks very young.

- Yes,

 

0607 11:17:12:24 11:17:14:15

 

she just turned 15.

 

0608 11:17:19:10 11:17:22:05

 

One generation must sacrify itself

 

0609 11:17:22:09 11:17:24:18

 

so the next can live in peace.

 

0610 11:18:00:22 11:18:02:16

 

From this moment onwards,

 

0611 11:18:05:02 11:18:07:10

 

I am a Muslim.

 

0612 11:18:27:21 11:18:29:21

 

Go to hell, filthy beast!

 

0613 11:19:25:12 11:19:28:02

 

During each phase

of producing this movie,

 

0614 11:19:28:06 11:19:32:04

 

I asked myself so many

questions and had sleepless nights.

 

0615 11:19:32:19 11:19:37:13

 

What can we say? What can't we say?

How far can an artist go?

 

0616 11:19:37:17 11:19:40:00

 

What am I risking

by making this film?

 

0617 11:19:40:04 11:19:42:08

 

Through asking these questions,

 

0618 11:19:42:12 11:19:46:06

 

I finally woke up.

I'm free to make my own decisions.

 

0619 11:20:00:15 11:20:06:04

 

WHEN THE ARABS DANCED

 

0620 11:23:17:23 11:23:20:23

 

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