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-Great! Go for it!

 

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I've always dreamed

of having a daughter.

 

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Where do you want to go?

I'm going with you.

 

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I dreamed about a girl

during my first pregnancy.

 

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First pregnancy: it was a boy.

 

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We thought he'll be there to

take care of his little sister.

 

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One pregnancy followed

another, and

 

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we got to the fourth boy.

 

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It's been years since I first

wanted a baby girl.

 

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I don't know how to explain it:

I was so desperate to have

 

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that little girl

 

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that, at some point,

 

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I would have done anything

to make it happen.

 

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That's why I chose to

come here to Cyprus.

 

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NEVER WITHOUT MY IVF

 

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Cyprus is just a three-hour flight

from Switzerland.

 

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The Turkish Republic

of Northern Cyprus

 

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has clinics offering

to prospective parents

 

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what the laws of their own

countries deny them:

 

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infertility treatment,

 

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oocyte donation,

embryo donation,

 

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but also sex selection

of their future child.

 

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This little country

in Northern Cyprus,

 

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unrecognized

by the international community,

 

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has forged itself

a notorious reputation

 

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for medically assisted

reproductive medicine.

 

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Europeans come here

to have babies.

 

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5,000 couples a year, including

about ten Swiss nationals

 

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in the last six months.

 

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Fourteen specialized clinics

welcome them there.

 

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Five more are under

construction.

 

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Catherine and Olivier

are the parents of four boys.

 

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Originally from Belgium,

they want to remain anonymous.

 

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Only a few people close to them

know about their journey here,

 

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to the Republic

of Northern Cyprus,

 

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to select the gender

of their future child.

 

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- I saw the sadness on her face

for not having her little girl.

 

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She's always dreamed of

having a girl, always.

 

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I couldn't leave her

with that sadness.

 

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The couple had to borrow money

to pay for the trip

 

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and medical expenses, the

equivalent of 5 to 7'500 Euros,

 

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the price of a dream:

 

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having a daughter.

 

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- I've heard people's

thoughts on the subject:

 

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"Don't do it anymore,

 

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you don't know how

to have a girl."

 

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"Don't worry,

I'll do the girl for you."

 

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These are careless thoughts

to them,

 

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but they are very hurtful

to me.

 

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Like I say, it's bad enough

not having a daughter,

 

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but with that kind of thinking

on top, it really, really hurts.

 

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So I asked myself:

if I didn't have a problem,

 

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why the need?

 

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But by doing research,

one realizes

 

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that we're not alone, it's just

that we have to hide from it.

 

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to avoid judgment,

the critics.

 

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But there are really

very many of us.

 

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- People disguise their coming here,

because the choice of sex

 

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is illegal in most European

countries, including Switzerland

 

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since the signing of the

Convention of Oviedo in 1997.

 

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Though the subject is divisive,

many websites make it appealing.

 

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On this specialized site,

packages are offered

 

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and thousands of comments

are posted there.

 

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Questions, doubts,

experiments.

 

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That's how Catherine

decided to take the plunge.

 

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In the northern part of Cyprus,

Famagusta is home to

 

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one of the first gender

selection clinics.

 

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It was created 25 years ago

by this man.

 

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- Halil Ibrahim Tekin.

- Halil Ibrahim Tekin.

 

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On the island, they call him

 

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'Dr. Hit,'

 

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the man who hits his target

every time.

 

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At 57, he guarantees a child

to all couples

 

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who come to see him, even

if it means pushing

 

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ever further the

ethical boundaries

 

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surrounding reproductive

medical assistance.

 

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- Pushing back the childbearing

age, with sex selection,

 

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Dr. Hit's reputation reaches beyond

the borders of the island.

 

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Every day, he realizes an average

of five oocyte retrievals

 

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and as many embryo transfers.

 

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That very day,

it's the long-awaited moment

 

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for Catherine and Olivier.

 

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- We're under stress.

You just never know.

 

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We're a little sleepy.

There's always a small risk.

 

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Afterwards, we hope we've reaped

quite a few embryos

 

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that we can implant

next time.

 

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-The process is quick and easy.

 

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It's similar to the one

of in vitro fertilization.

 

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We're harvesting oocytes

of the mother-to-be.

 

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She underwent hormone therapy

to encourage

 

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the production of these oocytes.

 

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Once collected,

the oocytes are transmitted

 

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to the embryologist,

who will sort through

 

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them... and then

impregnate them.

 

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On the third day, he will

proceed to a cell biopsy

 

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and will entrust it to a laboratory,

who will examine the chromosomes

 

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and will determine gender.

 

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As many as three embryos will be

implanted in the mother's uterus

 

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to increase

the chances of survival.

 

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The question that inevitably

follows is this:

 

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what happens to the embryos

not selected?

 

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Some of them are preserved,

others are destroyed.

 

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It is over this point that

the scientific community

 

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is tearing itself apart.

 

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In Nicosia, the capital,

 

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a wall separates the Republic

of Northern Cyprus from Europe.

 

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It also separates two visions

of medicine.

 

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The situation worries the

experts in the European part.

 

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- And yet the practice is legal

in other countries:

 

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in the U.S., Israel or Jordan.

 

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The idea of sex selection

is making headway,

 

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driven by those

who are willing,

 

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like Catherine, to

plead their cause.

 

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- "Dear Madam Minister

of Health,

 

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I'm addressing

you on a subject

 

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which is, in our

country, taboo."

 

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- A few months ago,

Catherine wrote this message

 

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to the government

of her country, Belgium:

 

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a message that

went unanswered.

 

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- Under certain conditions,

I would stop some couples

 

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having to keep have children

until they get the sex they want.

 

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Some countries

do family balancing:

 

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so, from upwards of two children

of the same sex, you're then free

 

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to choose one of

the opposite sex.

 

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Clearly, I think that you have

to evolve with the times.

 

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It can't be open to everyone;

 

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only as a family

balancing act.

 

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- Catherine hopes that some day,

her approach will be understood.

 

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In the meantime, she will return

in one month to Northern Cyprus

 

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for embryo implantation,

the last leg

 

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of a long process,

scorned, expensive.

 

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The price of a dream

or an obsession?

 

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