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Foreign Correspondent
2020
A New Crusade
30 mins 35 secs
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When Poland's Archbishop of Krakow talks
about fighting a plague, he's not talking about the new coronavirus. He's
talking about gay rights. "A certain ideology is a threat to our
hearts and minds...so we need to defend ourselves just like against any other
plague," says Archbishop Jedraszewski. In the 1980s Poland played a central part
in liberating the world from communism. Now there's a push to wind back many
of those hard-won freedoms. The Catholic church and the Polish
government are forming a holy alliance, joining forces to denounce
Western-style liberalism as the new enemy. "From the very beginning the history
of the Polish state and Polish nation were connected with the history of
Christianity," says Archbishop Jedraszewski. In today's Poland, the church is supporting
government moves to discriminate against gay people, wind back sex education
and outlaw abortion. But feminists, gays and liberals are
fighting back. Foreign Correspondent's Eric Campbell
reports on a deeply divided nation in the throes of a culture war. He meets the Archbishop of Krakow who
likens gay activists to the much-reviled Soviets who occupied Poland after
the Second World War. "This time it is not a red but a
rainbow plague," says Archbishop Jedraszewski. Eric interviews critics of the current
government, including Lech Walesa, the father of Polish democracy, who warns
"our Constitution is being broken, the separation of powers has been
violated and we have to do something about it." He meets a gay mayor in a small town who
says the rhetoric from church and state is leading to an "increase in
hatred spreading against homosexual people." And he films at a far-right rally in Warsaw
where Catholic extremists are co-opting the church in their bid to push their
nationalist agenda and vision of Poland as a new theocracy. While many Poles believe a religious
revival will lead their country to the light, others fear it is opening the
gates to something darker. |
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Warsaw skyline |
Music
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00:00 |
Super: Warsaw, Poland |
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00:05 |
Aerial. Independence Day rally |
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00:08 |
Crowd at rally |
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00:11 |
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CROWD: "Our Father, who art in heaven.
Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Hail Mary, full of grace, |
00:18 |
Campbell at rally. Super: |
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00:31 |
Title: A New Crusade |
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00:35 |
People pray at rally |
Hail
Mary full of grace, the Lord is with thee." |
00:42 |
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ERIC CAMPBELL,
Reporter: In the days before coronavirus stopped the world, Poland hosted
Europe’s biggest far right rally. It was a call for a new crusade – for God,
Honour and Fatherland. |
00:45 |
Bakiewicz at
rally |
CROWD: "Hail Mary, full
of grace. The Lord is with thee." ERIC CAMPBELL, Reporter: The rally leader, Robert Bakiewicz, is on a
quest to build a pure, Catholic state. |
01:01 |
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CROWD: "God, Honour,
Fatherland!" |
01:08 |
Campbell in crowd |
ROBERT BAKIEWICZ: You
know what they are afraid of? |
01:15 |
Bakiewicz
addressing rally holding cross |
They are afraid of this! Marxists! Lefties! They are afraid of this!
Look! We will rise once again. Hail! Hail! Christ the King! |
01:17 |
Campbell in crowd |
ERIC CAMPBELL,
Reporter: I’ve come here to see how religion is being weaponised in a fight
for power. |
01:32 |
Rally crowd |
It’s a country where nationalists equate
Catholicism with white, Polish identity. Where Church and State have grown
unsettlingly close to reshape society. And where the father of Polish
democracy, Lech Walesa says democracy is now in peril. LECH WALESA: These images show us the awoken demons. |
01:38 |
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And to the world, including you, I say: do
not neglect democracy. |
02:02 |
Walesa interview |
In Poland we
neglected elections and the populists won and we have a huge problem today. |
02:13 |
Aerial of rally |
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02:21 |
Apartment high rise buildings |
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02:30 |
Interior. Tolsdorf family apartment |
[Singing] |
02:37 |
Tolsdorf family sing and pray |
ERIC CAMPBELL,
Reporter: It’s Sunday morning and the Tolsdorf family are praying in their
small home before they head to their big church. |
02:42 |
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PIOTR TOLSDORF: "We ask You for a bigger flat for us." FAMILY:
"Hear our prayer." |
02:53 |
Piotr leads prayer |
PIOTR TOLSDORF: "We ask You for
the Holy Spirit’s blessing for our family, a bigger flat, protection over our
parents and siblings." |
02:58 |
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ERIC CAMPBELL, Reporter: Piotr
Tolsdorf and his wife Malgosia have eight kids in a two-bedroom apartment.
Like many devout couples, they’re planning to have more. Luckily for them,
their pro-Catholic government encourages big families. Every month it pays
them nearly $200 per child. |
03:05 |
Piotr interview |
PIOTR TOLSDORF: We can afford some trips and holiday sightseeing.
Basic expenses, you know, eight pairs of shoes, eight jackets, eight school
backpacks. It all costs money and it is a significant help for us and for
many other families. This is very helpful and was missing before. |
03:29 |
Tolsdorf children in bedroom |
ERIC CAMPBELL, Reporter: The Tolsdorfs also support their
government’s view of what makes a real family. PIOTR TOLSDORF:
The family is:
mother, father, children. |
04:03 |
Piotr interview |
All attempts to change it will lead to the
destruction of family and society. |
04:14 |
Tolsdorf children in bedroom |
ERIC CAMPBELL,
Reporter: Poland is embracing its Catholic roots. For a lifetime, it was
ruled by communists, then liberal democrats. Now the government is putting
conservative church doctrine into law, whether it’s on gay rights, abortion,
or IVF. It’s even trying to criminalise sex education. |
04:21 |
Piotr interview |
PIOTR TOLSDORF:
I
believe that we can remain a Catholic country, a bedrock of faith in Europe.
And I believe that Europe will go back to the values it was based on. |
04:44 |
Family sing |
[Singing] |
04:59 |
Cityscapes |
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05:08 |
Government building |
ERIC CAMPBELL,
Reporter: In 2015, the
populist Law and Justice Party came to power on the promise of restoring
traditional Catholic values. The church now sits on the right hand of
government. |
05:19 |
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ELLA
PODLEŚNA: Officially,
there is of course, separation of church and state, but it's a sort of
fiction in Poland. |
05:34 |
Ella 100% |
They are just like twin brothers, I would say. One cannot live
without another. |
05:43 |
Ella in courthouse |
ERIC CAMPBELL,
Reporter: Ella Podleśna is a 51-year-old
psychotherapist who is seen as an enemy of Church and State. |
05:51 |
Campbell in court watching Ella |
JUDGE: "Do
you admit guilt in this matter?" ELLA: "No,
Your Honour. I don’t." ERIC CAMPBELL, Reporter: In 2016, she helped organise mass protests
that stopped a proposed ban on all abortions.
Now she’s facing a two year jail term for painting rainbows on
Madonnas to condemn the church’s treatment of gays. |
06:04 |
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ELLA
PODLEŚNA: There was a
sort of proverb in my family, which was be useful. |
06:28 |
Ella 100% |
Make the best use of yourself. And I just try to follow that. |
06:34 |
Gay pride march |
CROWD: "God, Honour,
Fatherland!" |
06:42 |
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ERIC CAMPBELL,
Reporter: Last year she was attacked in a gay pride rally that church leaders
called a blasphemy. |
06:50 |
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ELLA
PODLEŚNA: We were physically attacked.
Only by chance nothing serious happened, because when people are taught by
the church that LGBT people are connected with paedophilia, |
06:58 |
Ella 100% |
it is to cover
their own problems with paedophilia within the church which comes up to the
surface very often now. |
07:12 |
Gay pride march |
CROWD: "Poofters are prohibited." |
07:21 |
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ERIC CAMPBELL,
Reporter: This was the first ever pride march in the conservative city of
Bialystok and priests joined the crowd trying to stop it. ELLA
PODLEŚNA: The attackers
think that they have got the blessing from the church. |
07:25 |
Protestor burns rainbow flag |
CROWD: "God, Honour,
Fatherland!" |
07:41 |
Krakow. World heritage sites |
Music |
07:46 |
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ERIC CAMPBELL, Reporter: The medieval capital, Krakow, is a stark
example of how much power the church can wield. |
07:53 |
Campbell walks World Heritage Centre |
It was home to a
young priest who became Poland’s first Pope, John Paul II. Its World Heritage Centre has made it one
of Europe’s most romantic destinations. But lately it’s
become renowned for something else. |
08:02 |
Campbell to camera in town square |
With the
blessing of the Catholic Church, the regional government has declared this to
be an LGBT-free zone. What’s more, the Archbishop of Krakow has likened what
he calls LGBT ideology to communism, saying Poland once faced a red plague, now
it’s facing a rainbow plague. So what does that mean? |
08:24 |
Campbell to meeting with Archbishop Jędraszewski at
palace |
The archbishop
has agreed to meet me in his palace, the seat of church leaders since the 14th
century. Marek Jędraszewski was a close
friend of John Paul II and at 70 is one of the most influential figures in
Poland. |
08:47 |
Campbell greets archbishop |
Eric: "Hello, sir." ERIC CAMPBELL,
Reporter: He makes no apology for likening gay activists to the Soviets who occupied
post-war Poland. |
09:07 |
Jędraszewski
100% |
MAREK
JĘDRASZEWSKI: This
time it´s not a red plague, but a rainbow plague. An ideology that
wants to subjugate us is a threat to our hearts and minds. It is a great
threat so we need to defend ourselves just like against any other plague. |
09:16 |
Krakow GVs |
Music |
09:40 |
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ERIC CAMPBELL, Reporter: Outside
the palace walls, Poland looks a thoroughly modern European country. It’s a
full member of the EU and bound by its rules legalising same sex relations. |
09:47 |
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But a third of
the country has now been declared LGBT-free. That’s a largely symbolic gesture,
but the EU has condemned it for encouraging homophobia. |
10:03 |
Church service |
The church says
Poland should follow God over Brussels. |
10:17 |
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MAREK
JĘDRASZEWSKI: From the
very beginning the history of the Polish state and Polish nation were connected
with this history of Christianity. Hence, this special role with these three
elements: |
10:25 |
Jędraszewski
100% |
Christianity,
nation and state were so tightly connected, they were almost inseparable. |
10:37 |
Children in park playground |
ERIC CAMPBELL, Reporter: You can see that special role in schools.
Almost every child in public school has to attend Catholic education classes,
starting from kindergarten. ELLA
PODLEŚNA: The program of
religious lessons |
10:45 |
Ella 100% |
cannot be verified and checked by anybody, except the Bishop. |
11:01 |
Children into school |
ERIC CAMPBELL, Reporter: Last year, the liberal mayor of Warsaw tried
to introduce sex education into curriculums. He suggested discussing same sex
issues, as recommended by the World Health Organization, but the parliament
is now pushing for three-year-jail terms for teaching children about sex. |
11:09 |
Man plays accordion in park |
MAREK
JĘDRASZEWSKI: The
modern church in Poland |
11:36 |
Jędraszewski
100% |
cannot remain
silent about clear threats, especially to young children and teenagers,
connected with LGBT ideology and WHO guidelines. |
11:42 |
Police presence in city |
ERIC CAMPBELL,
Reporter: The church has remained
silent over what critics call attacks on democracy. The Law and Justice party
has been stripping the independence of public institutions, including courts
and State media. |
12:00 |
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Man: "Let public television stop telling lies. |
12:17 |
News report. Protest against state
television |
Stop telling
lies." |
12:20 |
News footage. Ella at protest |
ERIC CAMPBELL,
Reporter: Ella Podleśna’s latest
legal problems stem from this rowdy protest against State television, which
she says has become a government mouthpiece. The news network portrayed her
as a dangerous radical… |
12:22 |
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NEWSREADER: "She insults and provokes TV security
guards and police officers." ELLA:
"Pawns. Lapdogs of power." |
12:38 |
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ERIC CAMPBELL, Reporter: …hounded
her from her job at a public hospital, and had her charged with hooliganism. |
12:43 |
Campbell greets Ella outside courthouse |
ERIC:
"Hello, Ella. Back in court
again?" ELLA:
"Yes." ERIC: "How
many times are you in court these days?" ELLA: "I
don’t know how it happens, but every Wednesday. It happens every week." |
12:53 |
Ella in corridor of courthouse reading
notices |
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13:04 |
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ERIC CAMPBELL,
Reporter: She´s not expecting a fair trial. The government has been
increasing its power to hire and fire judges. ELLA: "AHHH!" ERIC CAMPBELL, Reporter: But today, there’s some good news. The
judge hearing the charge is, in her opinion, one of the few independent
judges left. |
13:19 |
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ERIC: "What’s happened?" ELLA: "The
same judge." ERIC: "You’ve got the slightly friendlier judge you had before?" ELLA: "The
honest judge, who respects the constitution." |
13:30 |
Gdansk GVs |
Music |
13:42 |
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ERIC CAMPBELL,
Reporter: There was a time when liberals and the church stood shoulder to
shoulder to fight for constitutional democracy. The port city of Gdansk was
the scene of an epic political struggle that marked the beginning of the end
of the Soviet empire. |
13:48 |
Campbell into museum |
In 1980, a young
shipyard electrician, Lech Walesa, formed an independent trade union called
Solidarity. |
14:06 |
Museum archival footage of Walesa |
Walesa:
"We’ve got the right to strike!" ERIC CAMPBELL, Reporter:
The Soviet-controlled government declared martial law and threw Walesa in
prison. But the Catholic church and Pope John Paul II stood behind him. |
14:20 |
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Solidarity
toppled Communism, a new democracy was born, and a young dissident became
president. |
14:42 |
Gdansk GVs |
Happy days, now
long gone. |
14:53 |
Campbell to camera |
Whatever unity
there was in the Cold War has been smashed by a culture war, a fight over the
kind of country the new Poland will become – liberal and open or conservative,
nationalistic and intensely Catholic. So why have things become so divided?
Well, today we’re going to meet the man who started Poland’s transformation,
Lech Walesa. |
15:02 |
Walesa greets Campbell |
At 76, he’s still
a regular in the shipyard, working out of an office in its museum. But he’s a staunch critic of the ruling Law
and Justice Party, always wearing a T-shirt emblazoned with the word
‘constitution’. |
15:28 |
Walesa 100% |
LECH
WALESA: In Poland. I want to say that
our constitution is being broken. The separation of powers is violated and we
have to do something about it. And to
the world, including you, I say do not neglect democracy. In Poland we
neglected elections, we neglected democracy and the populists won and we have
a huge problem today. |
15:46 |
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ERIC CAMPBELL,
Reporter: Walesa is a devout Catholic, but he’s highly critical of the church’s
close ties to the government. |
16:10 |
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LECH
WALESA: When we achieved freedom,
everything should have returned to its proper place, including the Church as
it used to be in the past. This time, many priests haven’t returned to their
religious field because they started to enjoy their political roles. |
16:15 |
Gdansk shipyard views |
Music |
16:37 |
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ERIC CAMPBELL, Reporter: But inside Solidarity, his objections are
ignored. |
16:45 |
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KAROL
GUZIKIEWICZ: These symbols mean that
we are connected with John Paul II, |
16:50 |
Campbell with Guzikiewicz at shipyard |
of course, the
law should protect them. |
16:55 |
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ERIC CAMPBELL,
Reporter: Karol Guzikiewicz is
Solidarity’s deputy leader in Gdansk Shipyard. He’s also a regional
councillor for the Law and Justice Party. |
16:58 |
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KAROL GUZIKIEWICZ: We were always a team with
Virgin Mary and John Paul II. It's what keeps our spirits high. And we are
fighting for those symbols to stay here forever.
|
17:11 |
In car touring shipyard |
Music |
17:22 |
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ERIC CAMPBELL, Reporter: He took me on a tour of the shipyard which
now only manufactures parts, not whole ships. |
17:28 |
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KAROL
GUZIKIEWICZ: There´s a handful of people working, very few. |
17:35 |
Guzikiewicz
driving |
In 1980 there
were 17,000. Now there are only 700. |
17:41 |
Shipyard |
ERIC CAMPBELL, Reporter: He started working here in 1980, the year
Solidarity was formed, when he was just 15. KAROL
GUZIKIEWICZ: I was a big fan of Lech
Walesa back then. |
17:45 |
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ERIC CAMPBELL, Reporter: These days, many workers see Walesa as a
traitor, selling out Poland to the West when he became President. |
17:57 |
Guzikiewicz
interview |
KAROL
GUZIKIEWICZ: He did nothing for the
shipyard. He didn’t protest against its closure. He did nothing. ERIC CAMPBELL, Reporter: Karol Guzikiewicz is happy with Poland’s
embrace of conservative Catholic values. |
18:06 |
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KAROL
GUZIKIEWICZ: If somebody doesn’t support Catholic ideas, then they shouldn’t
belong to Solidarity. Of course, we have people of other faiths in the union,
but they shouldn’t interfere. |
18:17 |
Gdansk GVs |
Music |
18:28 |
|
ERIC CAMPBELL,
Reporter: The Law and Justice Government was re-elected in October with
almost 44 per cent of the vote, the highest for any party since the return of
democracy. But does that mean people automatically support a conservative
Catholic agenda? |
18:32 |
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Music |
18:48 |
Marcin into supermarket |
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18:51 |
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ERIC CAMPBELL,
Reporter: Marcin Nikrant lives in a small town outside Gdansk called
Lesniewo. It’s a stronghold of the Law and Justice Party. But Marcin, who is
openly gay, has been elected mayor three times. |
18:58 |
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MARCIN
NIKRANT: They’re really interested in
what I can do for them. If I’m helpful
or not. They really don’t care about my private life. They don’t care who I
am sleeping with. |
19:14 |
Marcin interview in home |
ERIC CAMPBELL,
Reporter: So you're always available when people need you? MARCIN
NIKRANT: Yes. They can call me. They
can write me an email. They can also come here to my home. ERIC CAMPBELL,
Reporter: So you’re bit like a priest. MARCIN
NIKRANT: Well, maybe – you can say
that, but I’m very far away from thinking and saying these kind of things. ERIC CAMPBELL,
Reporter: Yeah. The church is very strong |
19:27 |
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in talking about
a rainbow plague and things like that. Is that making life less safe, is it
encouraging people to use hate speech? |
19:49 |
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MARCIN
NIKRANT: I think that what the Polish
church says increases hatred against homosexual people. What has been
happening recently is, in my opinion, a complete distortion of the church’s
role. |
19:59 |
Catholic church |
Music |
20:20 |
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ERIC CAMPBELL, Reporter: While the church has made life harder for
gays, it still wants to claim them as Catholics. |
20:26 |
Campbell and Marcin walk to church |
"So Marcin you´re actually in the process of leaving the church now.
What´s all that about?" |
20:32 |
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MARCIN:
"That´s right." ERIC CAMPBELL,
Reporter: Marcin Nikrant is now struggling through a legal process to be
removed from the parish register. |
20:36 |
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MARCIN NIKRANT:
I have to apply, I want to leave the Polish Catholic Church, I have to bring two
people who will confirm that I’m sure. ERIC CAMPBELL,
Reporter: Two witnesses? MARCIN NIKRANT:
Yeah, two witnesses that I’m sure that I want to leave the Catholic Church. ERIC CAMPBELL,
Reporter: And then the priest has to sign your release? MARCIN NIKRANT:
He decides if that’s right, if I’m sure, he decides if I can leave the
Catholic Church. |
20:44 |
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ERIC CAMPBELL,
Reporter: So there’s actually a bureaucratic process you have to go to, to be
allowed to leave Catholicism. MARCIN NIKRANT:
Yes, that’s right. That's funny and sad at the same time, in my opinion. |
21:09 |
St. Mary's church, Krakow |
[Church bells] |
21:18 |
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ERIC CAMPBELL,
Reporter: The church has maintained its grip on power despite a sex scandal
that seriously damaged its moral credibility. |
21:34 |
Excerpt. 'Tell No One' |
- Did
he lock himself in the room with you? - Yes. |
21:50 |
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ERIC CAMPBELL,
Reporter: Last year, a crowd funded documentary called ‘Tell No One’ used
hidden cameras to reveal a widespread history of priests abusing children. Woman: "Father, I hope that God will judge you justly and appropriately. |
21:53 |
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God be with
you." Priest: " I
am really, really sorry for everything. I really, really regret it." |
22:10 |
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ERIC CAMPBELL,
Reporter: Released on YouTube, it was viewed nearly 20 million times in the
first week. One of its most shocking revelations was how the church had
relocated paedophile priests. |
22:21 |
Jędraszewski
100% |
MAREK
JĘDRASZEWSKI: It needs
to be understood that the Church didn’t break any of its own laws or State
laws by moving the priests who were guilty of these crimes to other parishes. |
22:44 |
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ERIC CAMPBELL,
Reporter: Why should anyone take seriously what the church says about
morality when it failed so fundamentally its own moral obligations? |
22:55 |
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MAREK
JĘDRASZEWSKI: The
film's accusations are to some extent untrue in relation to the contemporary
Church. Unfortunately, it was like that in the 1980s. But it shouldn’t be
applied to the modern Church’s approach. |
23:04 |
Vistula River |
ERIC CAMPBELL,
Reporter: Catholicism doesn’t just dominate mainstream politics, it’s become
a rallying call for violent extremists. |
23:28 |
Ultranationalist group training on
riverbank |
In the capital,
Warsaw, an ultranationalist group is training on the Vistula River. It’s two
days before a mass rally they’ve organised to mark Polish Independence Day.
This is a staged media event to show how they’ll defend themselves from
leftists. |
23:37 |
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Group member:
"How do the Lefties stand? We want to stand like them but we don't know
how." |
24:04 |
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ERIC CAMPBELL,
Reporter: Many of these self-styled bodyguards belong to National Radical Camp, a
revival of a 1930s fascist movement. But their |
24:15 |
Bakiewicz at
training exercise |
leader, Robert Bakiewicz, insists they’re
not fascists, just Catholic patriots. |
24:25 |
Bakiewicz 100% |
ROBERT BAKIEWICZ: The
National Movement in Poland before the Second World War was fully Polish. It
was not contaminated by atheist fascism or German Nazism. Today, the stigma
of a fascist is used against anybody who doesn’t agree with that liberal-leftist
pulp being sold to us. |
24:37 |
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ERIC CAMPBELL, Reporter: What would you
like to see, what Catholic doctrines would you like to see put into law in
Poland? |
24:59 |
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ROBERT BAKIEWICZ: All Catholic values because they founded what
we can call the greatest and the most wonderful and beautiful civilisation
that ever existed on earth. I mean Western civilisation. |
25:05 |
Bakiewicz and
others at church |
ERIC CAMPBELL,
Reporter: On Independence Day, he and his followers gather in church ahead of
their mass rally and march. The theme of this year’s gathering is defending
the Catholic Church. The symbol is a fist clutching a rosary. Robert
Bakiewicz will be wielding a crucifix. His chosen slogan … |
25:17 |
Bakiewicz
interview in church carpark |
ROBERT BAKIEWICZ: "Take care
of the whole nation." It’s a quotation from a song about the Virgin
Mary. It’s a reference to contemporary times, to the attacks of cultural
Marxism, the fight between good and evil, truth and lies. And we, as Poles,
call on Virgin Mary, the Queen of Poland to protect us, to give us the
strength to fight. |
25:46 |
Bakiewicz into
car |
ERIC CAMPBELL, Reporter: In recent years, the far right has hijacked
Independence Day celebrations, with the acquiescence of government. The
previous year’s gathering was addressed by the President. |
26:15 |
Warsaw. Independence Day gathering |
Music |
26:29 |
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ERIC CAMPBELL, Reporter: The
centre of Warsaw soon fills will 60,000 people, many of them ordinary
families. |
26:35 |
Far right groups
rally |
Far right groups have
converged from across Europe. Many sport the Celtic cross, the adopted symbol
for white supremacists. CROWD:
"God, Honour, Fatherland!" |
26:44 |
Dutch man at Independence Day gathering |
MAN: We’re from Holland. ERIC CAMPBELL,
Reporter: From Holland. What are you
doing in Poland today? MAN: We are here
for the nationalism and the march and connect with people and meet people who
think like us and want the same for their countries. |
27:02 |
Bakiewicz address rally |
ROBERT BAKIEWICZ: "Listen, I am asking you to create a
counter-offensive. To start a counter-revolution! Only a real spiritual
counter-revolution is able to defend our nation. Thank you once again and
Hail, great Poland!" |
27:16 |
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CROWD: "God, Honour, Fatherland!" |
27:41 |
|
ERIC CAMPBELL,
Reporter: Among the crowd are several politicians, including a prominent Law
and Justice MP Dominik Tarczynski. |
27:48 |
Tarczynski at
rally |
DOMINIK
TARCZYNSKI: I am here because I love
Poland, I love my family. I want Poland to be safe, to develop, to be
Christian. |
27:56 |
|
CROWD:
"God, Honour, Fatherland!" ERIC CAMPBELL,
Reporter: As the march proceeds, the chanting grows more militant and
threatening. |
28:03 |
Crowd march and chant |
CROWD: "Use a sickle, use a hammer, smash the red rabble… It´s us, the Poles!...
Don’t tighten the belt! Tighten the
fist!... Fuck Antifa! Fuck Antifa!... Poland! Youth! Nationalism!" |
28:13 |
Burning of flag |
ERIC CAMPBELL,
Reporter: The MP Dominik Tarczynski promised us an interview, but like other government
figures we approached after the rally, he proved unavailable. |
28:47 |
|
LECH
WALESA: Politicians gave the floor
over to demagogues and populists, |
29:00 |
Walesa 100% |
now they are
preaching now this nonsense. It’s dangerous. |
29:05 |
Tolsdorf family
leave apartment and walk to church |
ERIC CAMPBELL,
Reporter: Some devout Catholics, like Piotr Tolsdorf, told us they found the
rally and its violent messages disturbing. |
29:10 |
Tolsdorf family
at church |
PIOTR
TOLSDORF: Faith isn't about raising
fists or showing your might. Most saints were meek and obedient, sometimes
even silent. Those people marching, I trust they are believers, but their way
of showing faith by fights or destroying things, it shouldn´t be like that. |
29:25 |
|
ERIC CAMPBELL,
Reporter: Many hope
conservative Catholic values will lead their country to the light. |
29:55 |
Flag burning |
Others fear they
risk opening the gates to something darker. |
30:08 |
Credits [see below] |
Music |
30:14 |
Outpoint |
|
30:35 |
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Reporter – Producer
Eric Campbell
Camera
Ron Ekkel
Mikel Konate
Tomás Ybarra
Editor
Nikki Stevens
Assistant Editor
Tom Carr
Research
Agnieszka Suszko
Anne Worthington
Pride Footage Supplied by
Polskie Radio Białystok and Karol
Radziszewski.
Senior Production
Manager
Michelle Roberts
Production Co-ordinator
Victoria Allen
Digital Producer
Matt Henry
Supervising Producer
Lisa McGregor
Executive Producer
Matthew Carney
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