Malcolm
Brabant: Sundowner time in
Caernarfon, 300 miles northwest of the British seat of government in
Westminster, London. This world heritage town is a bastion of Welsh separatism
and voters are on a collision course with Westminster.
Jasper
Atkinson: Essentially, it's all
about being anti Westminster because it's an establishment of awful people.
Dafydd
Morris: The union is collapsing.
I think that the, I think Scotland has done pretty well in pushing independence
themselves.
Jasper
Atkinson: I really got to the
point where I just think we've got to go for it or it's not going to happen at
all.
Malcolm
Brabant: For the past twenty
years Hywel Williams has represented this district in the British Parliament on
behalf of the Nationalist Party of Wales, known in the Welsh language as Plaid
Cymru.
Hywel
Williams: Our motto is stop the
world we want to get on. Actually, we want to join the world, not separate
ourselves from it. But we want to join the world as ourselves, and I think we
have a positive contribution to make to world affairs in our own small
way.
Malcolm
Brabant: Until now only a
minority of the population has supported Welsh nationalism but with polls
estimating 35 percent in favour of independence, Plaid Cymru is promising a
referendum if it gets into power in the Welsh assembly.
Hywel
Williams: Certainly, Wales is a
poor country relative to, say, Germany or Denmark or whatever. But we look at
the small nations across the water here towards Ireland and see the huge strides
that they have made as an independent country.
Malcolm
Brabant: Wales, Scotland and
Northern Ireland were given their own national assemblies at the turn of the
century, so-called devolution gave powers over issues such as health and
education to the three new authorities in Cardiff, Edinburgh and Belfast. The
Welsh Assembly has traditionally been governed by the Labour party, which is
opposed to independence. Sion Jones is a Labour Councillor in Caernarfon.
Sion
Jones: I want to see Wales
have more self-determination and that means more powers towards our country.
However, going as far as independence, I think is a step in the wrong
direction. We are at the moment having nearly 20 billion pounds by the
Westminster government to control and to run our services. Without that, I
think Wales would be in danger.
Malcolm
Brabant: Polls suggest that
Labour will be the biggest party after the election but may have to share power
with the Welsh nationalists.
The British government
likes to boast that the United Kingdom is the most successful political and
economic union the world has ever seen. But a new study by public policy
experts at Cambridge University warns that Boris Johnson is widely perceived as
a Prime Minister who only speaks for England.
Owain
Jones: This present crisis is,
I think, a lot more serious than the British state seems to realize.
Malcolm
Brabant: Historian Owain Jones
believes that English Brexiteers, who triggered Britain’s divorce from the
European Union, bear responsibility for Welsh referendum demands.
Owain
Jones: From the perspective of
Welsh home rule or Welsh independence. I think Brexiteers are more to be
thanked than blamed. The fact that they are moving against the small measure of
self-government that Wales has at the moment is forcing people to choose their
side
Malcolm
Brabant: The Welsh language is
part of the cultural identity driving the independence movement. What’s unusual
here is that the Brown family, all fluent Welsh speakers, are English. they
fell in love with Welsh culture, set up home here and have become Welsh
Nationalists.
Duncan
Brown: Successive English
governments have always been patronizing towards us.
Jill
Brown: Because of ignorance,
they're ready to belittle the language. And I don’t really like that.
Malcolm
Brabant: Beca Brown was elected
as a local councillor for Plaid Cymru during the pandemic. Having control
over health issues enabled Wales to enforce tougher measures than England.
Beca
Brown: Mainly for me, it's one
thing to see Wales do better. It's an ambition for Wales is an ambition for the
Welsh people wanting to see us healthier and wealthier. Because going back to
the pandemic, what we have seen is I think the eight areas in the UK who are
worst hit by COVID five of them were here in Wales and that's poverty.
Malcolm
Brabant: All Welsh eyes are on
Scotland, which is further along the road to independence, because the
Nationalists dominate the political scene here. As she launched her election
manifesto, party leader Nicola Sturgeon lay down the gauntlet to Westminster.
Nicola
Sturgeon: I believe
passionately that with the powers of independence, we can do so much more
for Scotland.
Malcolm
Brabant: This is what remains of
Kelso Abbey after English troops sacked it in the Sixteenth century. It’s in
the Borders region where Paul Wheelhouse, is fighting for re-election. He's
been the Energy Minister in Sturgeon's government. Wheelhouse believes Brexit
and Sturgeon’s competence during the pandemic have boosted their chances.
Paul
Wheelhouse: It's
not a competition, of course, but we have seen a lower level of deaths in
Scotland, lower level of infections in Scotland, and we sometimes take
politically courageous decisions that have been unpopular at the time but
proved to be right in terms of shutting down parts of the economy earlier than
in England.
Malcolm
Brabant: This is the border. On
the left bank of the River Tweed is Scotland, on the right England. John Lamont
is a Conservative member of the Westminster Parliament for the Scottish
Borders.
John
Lamont: We need to not only
ensure that we defeat the spread of the virus, but we need to deal with
economic recovery plan and that will take some time. So I don't think now is
the time for a referendum.
Malcolm
Brabant: The Scottish political
scene has been complicated by a vicious split in Nationalist ranks over
unproven allegations of sexual harassment by the former SNP leader Alex
Salmond, Salmond was cleared in court of all charges. His supporters believe
Nicola Sturgeon orchestrated a campaign to bring him down. Salmond has formed
his own party Alba.
Alex
Salmond: The party's strategic
aims are clear and unambiguous: to achieve a successful, socially, just
environmentally responsible independent country.
Malcolm
Brabant: Alba candidates like Christina
Hendry, reject claims that independence demands will damage Scotland’s post
COVID recovery.
Christina
Hendry: Scotland is best placed
to decide how we recover from the pandemic. The people of Scotland are best
placed to decide what policies we should be putting forward, how we should be
recovering.
Malcolm
Brabant: At a memorial to fallen
British veterans, former soldier Bob Bolton stands up for the Union.
Bob
Bolton: We are better together.
This pandemic has proved that. And if I hadn't been for the UK government,
Scotland would have been so far behind in the vaccination process. There would
be many, many more people dead in Scotland than what there is now.
Malcolm
Brabant: Some analysts believe
Boris Johnson should offer the Scots a surprise referendum now because there’s
a good chance of it rejecting independence in the wake of the pandemic.
John
Lamont: Scots will recognize the
great benefits of being part of a strong United Kingdom and they recognize what
they contribute to the entirety of the UK as well. So I do not accept that
independence is inevitable.
Malcolm
Brabant: But in this small Welsh
garden, hopes are soaring higher than ever.
Duncan
Brown: Scotland is very much
our model, and if Scotland goes independent, then I really do think that there
will be nothing to hold us back then.
Malcolm
Brabant: The good ship Britain
may look stable now, but troubled waters lie ahead.
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TIMECODE |
LOWER
THIRD |
1 |
0:20 |
JASPER ATKINSON WELSH INDEPENDENCE SUPPORTER |
2 |
0:25 |
DAFYDD MORRIS WELSH INDEPENDENCE SUPPORTER |
3 |
0:46 |
HYWEL WILLIAMS WELSH NATIONALIST LAWMAKER |
4 |
1:57 |
SION JONES LABOUR PARTY |
5 |
2:20 |
CONWY, NORTH WALES MALCOLM BRABANT SPECIAL CORRESPONDENT |
6 |
3:05 |
OWAIN JONES BANGOR UNIVERSITY |
7 |
3:31 |
DUNCAN BROWN WELSH INDEPENDENCE SUPPORTER |
8 |
3:37 |
JILL BROWN WELSH INDEPENDENCE SUPPORTER |
9 |
4:00 |
BECA BROWN PLAID CYMRU COUNCILLOR |
10 |
4:23 |
SUBTITLES BURNED INTO SOURCE VIDEO |
11 |
4:54 |
PAUL WHEELHOUSE SCOTTISH NATIONAL PARTY |
12 |
5:22 |
JOHN LAMONT CONSERVATIVE LAWMAKER |
13 |
5:53 |
ALEX SALMOND FORMER SCOTTISH FIRST MINISTER |
14 |
6:13 |
CHRISTINA HENDRY ALBA CANDIDATE |
15 |
6:32 |
BOB BOLTON UNIONIST |
16 |
6:51 |
JOHN LAMONT CONSERVATIVE LAWMAKER |