Desperately
Seeking Sperm
SBS Australia | Dateline | 29min
Postproduction
script
ARI NY
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LOCATION
TITLE: NEW YORK Shower etc Ari walking |
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Ari
talking to camera Walking etc CARD: ARI NY
p2 |
ARI NAGEL (UPSOT) ARI NY p2 27:11 My twins in the
Bronx were conceived over there Ari NY p2. ARI: (25:29) Churches are good. If it's a Sunday, they're
ovulating on a Sunday, you can use a church restroom. They're always
welcoming. |
Ari walking Upbeat, quirky music ARI NY p2: 25:00 Ari
walking eating front on ARI NY p2: 17:57 wide
Ari walking from behind |
VO:
This is Ari Nagel. He’s a 46 year-old maths
professor, and being good with numbers is useful for the other hat he
wears...as a prolific DIY sperm donor. |
Ari
walking Possible
Cutaways: ARI NY
p2: 17:25 side profile walking ARI NY
p2: 17:35 feet For
cutaways, try start of ARI Ny p1. |
ARI UPSOTS ARI NY p2 (27:43) I've used a radio city music hall over
there on the corner. They have beautiful restrooms. |
Ari
walking on the streets, past places he’s donated in |
VO:
Ari’s helped conceive more than 90 children...handing over his sperm in some
quite unusual situations. |
ARI UPSOTS Ari NY p2: (33:11) I had a friend who
was having a birthday party, like a cookout (33:46) I just grabbed one of these red solo cups at the party. I go into
the bathroom, I jerk off into the cup. I come back
to the party and I tell everyone, nobody drink from
this cup. You know, uh, there'll be a lesbian couple here. They'll be here
within the hour and they'll come pick it up and put the sperm inside. |
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Ari with phone? (ARI NY p2) 53:33 |
VO: Ari is among a growing number of private
sperm donors - recipients find him and others through word of mouth, or via
online forums and apps. He gives his sperm away for free...and has
built a whole persona around his super-donor status |
Sperm vitamin ad https://www.instagram.com/p/BopEvZonV46/ Source: Ari Nagel/Sperm XL ·
Quill looking at picture she made of donor dad. ·
Quill CU on face OR ·
Quill looking at pic of donor dad ·
Quill at beach, and end on hero shot? OR: ·
Lab pics ·
Quill looking at pic of donor dad ·
Quill CU on face |
ARI UPSOT (from advertisement) My name is Ari Nagel, and people often ask
me what’s my secret to having a high sperm count. I recommend Sperm XL… VO: But with demand for donor sperm booming – what does it mean for
the next generation of donor conceived kids? |
PROGRAM
TITLE CARD: DESPERATELY
SEEKING SPERM |
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Establishing shot of
NY building exterior ·
Wide of Ari looking at
photos 1:28:34 |
VO: November is a big month for Ari Nagel –
that’s when he’ll reach 100 biological children. |
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Photos from 1:23:20 |
Ari: (01:52)
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Ari on phone Show kid on screen
46:46 |
ARI UPSOT 40:36 Hi, how you
doing? 46:38 oh you did her
hair so nice, she’s got a nice little puff over there 46:46 Hey cutie |
VO: VO: ARI SAYS HE’S BECOME A SUPER SPERM DONOR TO HELP
WOMEN IN NEED |
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ARI UPSOT 47:08 does she say any
words? Say dada, da da. |
VO: But I want to know
if there’s anything else that drives him. |
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Set up Elise here as
reporter – show her greeting Ari over zoom. D2C1 53:18 Ari walking in At the end of the IV.
Ari Syd 51:00 or thereabouts. Elise saying hi |
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Question and answer
here on motivation |
ELISE:
(23:05)
Ari:
(23:13)
I was getting asked for help to grow their
family by lesbian couples, or heterosexual couples, or single women whose
biological clock was ticking. Ari: (23:27) I saw how happy the children are and I saw how
happy the moms are, and knowing that I'd be able to help them have a
lifetime of joy and happiness with little or no effort on my part. |
Maybe use ARi’s UGC here – him with kids on
merry-go-round? Or cuts of him with babies? |
VO: There’s no contract with Ari, no
expectations on the recipients - and he says he doesn’t turn anyone away. His level of contact with the children
depends largely on what the parents want. |
Ari getting on train Master interview
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ARI NAGEL IV Ari: (09:24) it varies, and it's different for each
family. Some kids I see all the time, and there's some kids I’ve never even
met Ari: (09:54) Some of my kids call me Ari and some of
them call me dad, and some of them don't call me, and some of them call me
donor dad. |
Transition to Ashley & Aaliyah Ari arriving Greeting Ashley In car on way to pick up Alia |
VO: Today Ari is picking up one of his kids from
childcare And taking her to
lunch, along with her mum |
Ari and Ashley picking 2 yo Alia up from daycare (Ari NY p3) |
ARI & ASHLEY UPSOT 59:03 Ashley: Who’s that? Who’s that? 59:16 Ari: That was such a nice hullo 59:40 Ari: Here we go, look at that smile. Alia: Thankyou Daddy Ashley: She knows who you are Ari: Of course she does |
VO: Ashley’s had two daughters using Ari’s
sperm...Aria - named after her dad - and 2 year old
Aaliyah |
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(ARI NY p3) At cafe - Ari holding child Try around 1:08:03 instead of café shot? |
ARI & ASHLEY UPSOT 1:09:22 Ashley: She looks like you. Everyone
tells me that and I don’t see it. This is the first time I’ve seen it. Ari: It’s like I’m looking in the mirror |
Ashley, Ari and Alia at cafe Ashley OTF interview: ARI NY p3
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ASHLEY OTF IV Ari NY p3 ASHLEY: When we first met him after Aria was born, she was
about 2 months old. And we met her, we met another sibling and he called Ari
daddy. And I literally freaked out, this is not what I wanted. And, but as I grew I realised it's good for her to have that person she
can have that label, so she doesn't feel like she's missing out on anything, ASHLEY: he is pretty much the fun guy, he comes he plays, he has fun,
and I do all the heavy lifting. [01:25:35] But he's always there when I ask
him to be, I've never had an issue with that. ASHLEY: 1:15:00 What do I think drives Ari? I used to think helping
people is what his main goal. Right now I think it's
numbers |
Transition to hotel room. Ari NY p1: 3:14 (NY highrise) Ari NY p1: 9: 46 (view from room) Ari Ny p2: 14:15 |
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Ari in room, packing bags, talking to
camera |
ARI UPSOT ARI NY
p1: (11:34) So, uh,
tomorrow I'm going to Warsaw, I'm meeting, a lesbian couple. They're from
Poland and I'm going to, um, help them conceive. |
VO: Ari’s nearly 100 biological children
are spread out around the world. He’s about to embark on a donating spree
across Europe. |
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(ARI NYp1) Ari packing Ari taking out menstrual cup, giving a
demo. Note: he gave the demo a few times, and the
camo got closeups on the cup etc. |
ARI
UPSOT Ari NY
p1 ARI: (15:16)
ALT Ari hands
over the sperm in various ways – HE DEMONSTRATES the cheapest and simplest
method Uh
these are menstrual cups, they cost less than a dollar here ARI: (16:10) basically,
uh, the sperm would go in here and then it squeeze
it right, very flexible. And then they put their foot up right and squat a
little bit and then they would just slide it in their vagina and leave it
there for 12 hours. |
VO:
There’s not much holding Ari back. He’s single. He has three kids conceived
during a relationship - but they live with their mum. Even a
global pandemic hasn’t slowed him down. ARI: (13:33)
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DEVORA
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location super: SYDNEY Syd drone? Building
exterior 28:26 Clinic signage on door: 1:01:29 CARD: DEVORA SYD DRONE SYD |
VO: Ari says he
donates for free and only asks recipients to cover his travel expenses “UPSOT you must be
Elise” In contrast, getting
sperm from a fertility clinic can cost thousands of dollars.
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Elise and Devora walking through reception
area CARD: DEVORA SYD |
ELISE & DEVORA UPSOT ELISE: wow, that's quite something. DEVORA: we call this the patient lounge so
patients can relax here before and after procedures. DEVORA: come on through, I'll show you the rest
of the place. |
Dr Devora Lieberman says demand for sperm is increasing not just at
her clinic, but globally. |
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Master interview (DEVORA SYD) |
Dr DEVORA LIEBERMAN IV DEVORA: (06:27) We've seen a huge increase over the last
10, 20 years in people wanting to access donor sperm because of the rise of
gay marriage and the acceptability of queer and gay family building. |
In the face of competition from the
informal donor market, fertility clinics have positioned themselves as a
safer alternative. |
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Master Interview |
DEVORA IV: DEVORA: (15:47) I think when you come to a clinic like ours, you have
the knowledge and assuredness that it's clean, that you're not putting
yourself at risk of infection |
VO: And those
assurances are what clients are willing to pay for. |
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Chat in lab |
DEVORA & ELISE LAB CHAT DEVORA: (45:07) I will show you where the sperm is stored |
Chat in lab |
DEVORA & ELISE LAB CHAT ELISE: (46:56)
DEVORA: (47:05) Right. So the
donor will have had his infection screens done out, had semen analysis. Um,
and then the sperm get washed and concentrated and the best and the brightest
get put into vials and frozen in liquid nitrogen. ELISE: (47:20) This is the cream of the crop. DEVORA: This is the cream of the crop |
Devora says that there’s
no place for super donors like Ari Nagel at clinics like hers. |
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Master Interview |
DEVORA IV DEVORA: (16:53) I think it's quite terrifying to think that a single
donor could be responsible for hundreds of children with no traceability, no
way to know who your siblings are. |
Andres
to do full screen GFX using lab pics as inspiration/background |
GFX
1 In Australia, there are state-based laws that govern
how clinics operate. Some
states place limits on how many families or women
a donor can give sperm to. In NSW, that number is 5 women. In some other countries, like the US, there
are no legislated limits. |
Shot of view out window |
But even here, it’s an honesty system. |
Main interview |
DR DEVORA LIEBERMAN ELISE: (18:50)
DEVORA: (19:00) Our donors will sign forms stating that
they have not been donors previously. I mean, I guess they could lie on a
legal document, but I don't know that it would be in their interest to do so.
And I'm not sure why they would bother coming to be a donor in a clinic if
they've been donating free range previously. |
ELISE APP
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SYDNEY (APP SYD) Elise in SBS office on phone, looking at
donor app. Wides and CU GFX - posts coming up in negative space |
VO: The
reality is there’s nothing to stop someone donating at a clinic and privately
at the same time. There are various apps and Facebook groups
that connect donors and recipients across the globe. APP SYD (01:53) ELISE So this
is like Tinder for people who want to find a sperm donor. And it's basically,
you know, you get photos, you get a bit of a bio about the people, uh, and
you swipe left or right. |
Elise looking at app and messages. |
VO: Apps like this one give people control
- there’s no fertility clinic acting as an intermediary, no laws defining the
parameters of the donor-recipient relationship. (13:36) ELISE: This guy says it's hard to explain
why I'm here, but I've got some friends going through IVF at
the moment and they told me how hard it was to find a donor. Seems
like a really nice thing to do. VO: There are also no rules on how
the sperm is transferred ELISE: (03:22) this guy here says he's, uh, you know, only
does natural insemination, uh, which means he only wants to have sex, uh, in
order to have a baby. |
Elise looking at Alan Phan’s profile. Then GFX. Wide of Elise on phone, headlines from media
about Alan Phan coming up in negative space Andres to do this on
Monday |
GFX
2 It’s clear when using these apps, that there are guys
here who aren't being upfront about their donating histories.
Alan
Phan is an Australian super donor – according to reports, he conceived 23 children in just one year.
HIS ACTIONS WERE REPORTEDLY INVESTIGATED BY THE VICTORIAN ASSISTED REPRODUCTIVE AUTHORITY .
His profile online is still active, and only mentions two children. When I
contacted Alan Phan to clarify numbers, he claimed he hadn't helped that many
people and that he no longer donates to Victoria |
ARI POLAND #1
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WARSAW Warsaw establishing shots (start of Poland
D1C1) |
VO: For some, the informal donor market is
all they have. Not everyone can access sperm through a clinic. |
Karolina and Aga walking, hand in
hand (Poland D1C1 around 6:15) |
KAROLINA & AGA IV (POLISH): In
Poland we don't have this option. We have
a problem because of
Polish regulations – our law. |
VO: Karolina and Agnieszka have been
together for nearly two years. POLAND’S
RULING CONSERVATIVE LAW AND JUSTICE PARTY - HAS RECENTLY CRACKED DOWN ON
LGBT RIGHTS. SAME SEX COUPLES ARE
NOT LEGALLY RECOGNISED, THEY CAN’T ADOPT CHILDREN, AND THEY CAN’T ACCESS DONOR
SPERM AT A FERTILITY CLINIC |
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KAROLINA & AGA IV (POLISH): So the majority of couples went
through the whole
procedure abroad. |
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Karolina and Aga, walking. Or maybe cafe
shots |
VO: The
couple have had some disappointing and unsettling interactions when looking
for a local donor online. One guy had no intention of actually donating...he was just curious to meet a lesbian
couple. |
Interview (Poland D1C2) There are some “listening” cutaway shots
from 44:23. Not great, but maybe can punch in to obscure the mouth of the
person talking? |
KAROLINA & AGNIESZKA IV (POLISH) He said he had wanted to see a
couple like us, and that was it. - Then
that was our first crisis. - Yes,
that was our crisis. Because... We
didn't want to talk about it for a
time – about the child – to
avoid breaking down completely. It was
a little upsetting. But
then later we started again. |
Transition to hostel (Poland D1C1 8:25) Also some
nice building exteriors at 8:48 onwards Doing daughter’s hair |
VO: Now the couple are putting their hopes
in super donor Ari Nagel...who’s arriving in Warsaw today. |
Poland D1C1 9:47ish Doing girl’s hair |
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Karolina has three
children from an earlier marriage/previous relationship, but this will be
Agnieszka’s first time trying for a baby. They found Ari online. |
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POLAND D1C1 |
KAROLINA & AGNIESZKA UPSOT (POLISH): And it
was like, "Why
not write to him?" And I
said "From America? Will
someone respond from there?" So I wrote on Facebook – you
found him there – and I
wrote that we
write from Poland in Europe. I
didn't know if he knew where
Poland was. It
turned out that he has Polish roots. His
grandmother was Polish. |
Looking at photos of Ari Try to avoid kids if possible CUs of phone/photos at: 24:30, 33:30 |
KAROLINA & AGNIESZKA UPSOT (POLISH): He
seems cheerful and open, a bit
crazy. He has
nice eyes. He
seems friendly, open, so I hope this
will also come through in the genes. |
Driving to airport, getting
out…establishing shots Poland D1C1 49:11 |
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Meeting Ari, hugging. (Poland D1 iPhone
28:50) Have the meet and greet
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ARI, KAROLINA AND AGNIESZKA UPSOT ARI: Poland D1 iPhone [28:50] Ready to get
that baby right now. ARI: Good to see you. 32:20 ARI: Are you fertile today? Are you ovulating? K: yes Ari: She thinks she is fertile? Ari: Ask her if she’s horny and then you
know if maybe she’s fertile K: She’s totally stressed right now…. Ari: It’s better if you don’t understand
what we’re saying |
ARI UPSOT IN CAR ARI: (03:39) Yeah. Make sure the camera gets my big boner, you know, cute girls I'm
sitting next to, you know. ARI: (04:25) When I produce the
sample later, I'm going to google hot Polish, I'm going to Google hot Polish
lesbians. You know, that's what I'm going to get my inspiration, you know,
unless you wanted to share some, some original footage … KARO: yeah right |
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Hostel exterior - Poland D1C1 Ari making his sample for K &A
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VO: Back at the
hostel, Ari gets straight down to business, ready to produce a sample. In the room next
door, Karolina and Agnieszka are nervously waiting. |
(Poland D1C2 0:56) Karolina in hostel room |
KAROLINA & AGNIESZKA UPSOT (POLISH): She's
hidden in the toilet. She's
very stressed, poor thing. She's
been like that since the start. We'll
see what comes of it. |
VO: Ari has done this hundreds, if not
thousands of times. For Agnieszka, it’s a first. FOR THE WOMEN, THE STAKES ARE HIGH BUT THEIR FIRST IMPRESSIONS OF ARI. . SEEM
POSITIVE |
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Poland D1C2 2:15 Agnieszka coming back into
the hostel room Chat with K & A on the bed Ari opening door (he’s finished putting the
sperm in the softcup in other room)
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KAROLINA & AGNIESZKA UPSOT (POLISH): A: I
feel all these emotions, but generally... he's a
cool guy. - A
cool guy? - Cool. Polish
producer: What sort of emotions are they? A: Positive
ones, and I
hope that it works today. K: Today. A: Already? Already? Ari (English): What is she nervous about? It’s not like I’m sticking
my dick in there… |
Ari chatting to K & A in hostel
room.
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ARI & KAROLINA UPSOT 6:45 Ari: Here are the keys, I just left it over there on the napkin.
Don’t drink it, because I came a long way you know! I know it doesn’t look
like a lot for all this long distance that I travel. But there’s a hundred
million there K: ah she’s stressed, she’s stressed |
Poland D1C2 7:33 Karolina and Aga saying goodbye to Ari, and
then going into the room |
NAT SOT |
Karolina and Aga walking shots, transition
to interview Poland D1C2 51:25 nice shot from behind (maybe just need one setup shot to get us
into IV?) |
NAT SOT |
Main interview (Poland D1C2) |
KAROLINA & AGNIESZKA IV (POLISH) Generally I felt something... something
good, happiness really, and I
looked into Karolina's eyes, and I thought
that if this works now, if I
become pregnant, it will
be great. I can't
actually put it into words... Happiness
that at last, at last
this moment has arrived. |
KAROLINA
& AGA IV D1C2 38:30:00
INTERVIEWER: Will Ari be called ‘dad’ or ‘donor’? 38:37:00
K No, at this moment – A: I
think ‘dad’, ‘dad’ – the word ‘donor’… K He will not be an anonymous donor |
ERIN JACKSON
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San Diego Timelapse (new
Michael Mora footage) Location super Then come to Erin on
beach |
VO: Not everyone is as
willing to be as transparent as Karolina and Agnieszka. In fact, there’s a long
history of parents NOT telling their child that they’re donor conceived. |
Location title: SAN
DIEGO (ERIN) 40:27 Erin looking out at water 22:36 Erin looking out at water with child
in distance |
ERIN JACKSON IV (ERIN
REV) Erin: (14:15) I think a lot of people who are using donor
sperm are really focused on getting to the baby, holding that baby Erin: (14:25) And it's good to remember that that baby is
immediately going to start growing up and will be a completely independent
person with their own thoughts and feelings |
Erin walking along foreshore |
Erin Jackson runs an information service
for donor-conceived people. She wants people to understand what it’s like to not
know your genetic history |
Main IV Erin photos on laptop? This might be a bit
weird. She also emailed me the photos (ERIN from about 31:20) Maybe we just stay on master IV |
ERIN
JACKSON IV Erin: (00:21) In
2015, my mother told me that the man who raised me is not my biological
father. This came as a huge shock to me, I went
online and ordered a 23andMe DNA test,
Erin: (02:58) I would
guess that I probably have a hundred siblings. (03:40)
it was quite traumatic |
Erin laptop (ERIN - from 28:49) Nice CU on face at 31:00 |
Erin is part of a global movement of
donor-conceived people calling for change. She runs an annual survey through her
website, and while it’s a small group of about 500 people, there are some
clear points of consensus. |
Master IV |
ERIN JACKSON IV Erin: (06:44) (AND) I
did ask people if there were to be a limit on offspring produced from one
donor, what would that limit be? And the majority said a maximum of 10
offspring. (17:10) And
that's because it would allow the donor conceived people to build meaningful
relationships with the donor and with their siblings. Erin: (05:50)
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QUILL & ANNE
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TITLE: SUNSHINE
COAST, QLD Establishing shots Drone SD_ELISE_QUILL_DRONE Flowers outside SD_ELISE_QUILL_C1: 28:28 Bedroom cutaways |
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Quill on bed
looking at picture SD_QUILL_C1 |
QUILL UPSOT QUILL: (05:39) this is a caricature drawing I made on a
detective program when I was, I think, like five years old and it, I
literally just took all the physical descriptions I got of my donor and I
made this. |
Quill on bed with picture, bedroom cutaways SD_QUILL_C1 |
VO: Quill, who uses the pronouns they or them,
is 14 years old. Until quite recently, they had no idea what
their biological father looked like. |
Quill on bed with
picture SD_QUILL_C1 |
QUILL UPSOT
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Anne and Quill in
living room Cutaway of cat etc SD_QUILL_C1 |
VO: Quill pieced
the face together using a donor profile with a list of facial features, that
was provided to their mum, Anne. (14:30) A: what do we got? What are the eyebrows like?
Like he's got thick eyebrows. Yep. That's come through, Anne is a single
mother by choice. Quill was conceived using donor sperm and a donor egg at a
clinic in the US. |
Anne and Quill on couch,
looking at documents SD_QUILL_C1 |
ANNE & QUILL
UPSOTS Pointy chin, no cleft. You don't have a cleft
either, do you. Q: What’s that? A:It's like, if you
have a, like a sort of Q: like butt chin. |
Quill looking at self in
mirror SD_QUILL_C1 (from
9:50 – lots of shots to choose from. I like the side profile shot 10:58) |
VO: The clinic told
Anne she could have contact with the egg donor, but there were strict
rules around contacting the sperm donor. ANNE: (05:02) they
only offered two choices. Anonymous, forever, never know who they are or
open, which their rules were that was a commitment on behalf of the donor
that they would have at least one contact with the donor conceived person at
the age of 18 or over and that had to be through the cryobank In the formal fertility
industry in Australia, it’s also standard practice to only provide
identifying details about a sperm donor when a child turns 18. That’s a long time to go
without answers |
Main interview SD_ELISE_QUILL IV |
QUILL IV (17:48) like it's a human
right. It's a big part of people to be able to get to know their genetic
family. (17:55) And I think to deny them that because of their
age is just shocking. |
Quill child photos
(maybe the one at 26:06?) Anne main IV SD_ELISE_ANNE IV |
ANNE IV ANNE: (12:45) Quill wanted to know who these people were and
wanted to have some contact and be able to speak to them and maybe go to
America and have a visit and things like that. And had questions that I
couldn't answer. |
SD_ELISE_QUILL IV |
QUILL IV I think it's really
important to get to know your cultures and your ancestors and your
family story. |
Quill on bed
reading letter |
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Quill on bed
reading letter |
QUILL UPSOT QUILL_C1 (04:29) QUILL: I'm Quill. I'm 10 years old. I live in
Queensland and it's an extremely large chance you're my sperm donor VO: Four years ago, Anne and Quill found their
sperm donor using a DNA test. Quill then sent him a letter.
If you don't want to contact me right now, I
completely understand, however please let me know. Thanks. |
The donor’s reply was positive. |
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SD_ELISE_QUILL IV |
QUILL IV QUILL: (10:57) I was bouncing off the walls.
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Leaving home SD_QUILL_C1 28:46 Or...maybe jump
straight to beach? |
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Walking down at beach SD_QUILL_C1 30:43 Anne and Quill
standing together so you can see their faces |
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SD_QUILL_C1 Quill spinning
around, Anne taking photos 33:52, 34:02 CU |
QUILL IV (25:06) I know that most of my personality comes from
my mum and she raised me. |
Quill spinning,
dancing sand Anne and Quill sitting
together – use for end grabs Sitting together
(from 35:18 Taking photo
together (37:00 onwards) Hand on shoulder
37:33 |
QUILL: (04:46) I definitely see that
I have three branches of my family tree. I have the main one for my mom and
then the two other ones, my sperm and egg donors. And
yeah, I think there's definitely room in my family
tree for three branches. |
AD BREAK |
ARI POLAND #2
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WARSAW Establishing shots D2C2 |
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Ari at cafe on phone POLAND D2C2 |
ARI UPSOTS ARI: (42:33) Hi. How you doing? Oh, oh, good. Good. How
are you doing? Look at, look at beautiful. Uh, look at Warsaw. It's
beautiful, |
VO: In Poland, DIY SUPER sperm donor, Ari Nagel is planning his next few
deliveries |
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Ari at cafe, on phone to potential French
recipient POLAND D2C2 |
ARI UPSOTS ARI: (43:04) Tomorrow, I'm going to Krakow and I'll be freezing sperm there on
Wednesday for a woman from France. And then I'm going to Prague and I'll be
freezing sperm for women from Germany there on Friday and on Monday. And then
I might go to Tbilisi or I could go to Spain or I could go wherever else you
need. WOMAN You speak very... ARI: Fast? WOMAN: Very fast, yes. ARI: I speak fast. And I also ejaculate very fast. I'm a professional.
But it's better if you don't understand what I'm saying. |
VO: Ari dedicates a
lot of time and effort into donating sperm all over the world and even though
some recipients cover his expenses, he admits he can be left out of
pocket.
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Master interview Cover last grab with olay
of Ari in Poland square - 50fps. Looking at pics of his kids? |
ARI NAGEL IV ELISE: (24:08) Is it an addiction? Is it a kind of compulsion
to keep doing this? ARI: (24:13) no,
it's not. (24:31) Listen, if I gave too much charity, is that an
addiction? But it feels good knowing I'm able to help people. VO: Ari doesn’t think
he needs to cap his donating in line with laws in countries like Australia,
where donors can only give to a limited number of families. ARI: (45:41) 46:00To
me all the merrier that’s just always been my policy. ARI NAGEL IV ELISE: (14:15) Do you think there could be some parents
who just never tell the child that they're donor conceived or that your sperm
was used to conceive them? Ari: (14:24) Definitely. I think that's often the case
for heterosexual couples. They're not sharing and not truthful with the
child. Ari: (10:21) But ...I leave the door open, so if the
women don't want me to play a role now, but in the future, they change their
mind, then that's definitely an option that I'm open
to. ELISE: What would you say if a child comes to you in 15, 20 years and
says they didn’t know, they hadn’t been told about you. And that it’s caused
them immense pain? Ari: (20:58) Listen, I have 95 children. I'm sure many will be upset, and many of
them will be appreciative. I think I'm going to get everything under the sun (22:10)
ELISE: (25:05) You know I've been kind of thinking about what
motivated you to do this ...whether it's a numbers game, you just kind of
push the numbers up Ari: (25:32) Numbers game?... These women want their first
child, so I should say, "Well, I don't really want to have any more
children because it's not going to look right. People are going to think I
have too many and might think I'm narcissistic," but then the women,
they don't care. They just want their one child,
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ERIN JACKSON Erin: (16:18) I think people who
knowingly want to create a hundred children Erin: (17:34)
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VO:
Advocates, like Erin Jackson say, it’s not about who Ari Nagel is to the women
he donates to, it’s about who he is to the children he’s helping create. |
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ERIN JACKSON IV
What this all comes down to is one person's
sperm donor is another person's biological parent |
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GVs of kids here –
need those sweet cute kid shots that we don’t have. Any on file? |
VO: We’ve reached a point where nearly
anyone and everyone can create a human life. Relationship status, sexual preference,
financial means are no longer barriers. But while conceiving a child is a moment in
time, the legacy is forever. |
Beauty shots |
QUILL LEISHMAN IV QUILL: (27:46) I definitely think that, if you're going to
conceive a child through donor conception, that you need to be prepared for
the crazy journey that they have to gonna have to
go on, you're going to have to be prepared to, to get in contact with the
donors, to explain to your child what, why the family's different. QUILL: (29:29) And yeah, |
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