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Al Jazeera – Transcript

 

 

Lower Thirds

 

Samuel Perry

Co-Author, The Flag and The Cross

 

Bob Abeshouse

People & Power

 

Zack Beauchamp

Senior Correspondent, Vox

 

Kim Hough

Founder, Families for Safe Schools

 

Gov. Ron DeSantis

Florida - Republican

 

Andrew Spar

Pres., Florida Education Assoc.

 

Tina Descovich

Co-founder, Moms for Liberty

 

Tiffany Justice

Co-founder, Moms for Liberty

 

State Sen. Shevrin Jones

Vice Chair, Ed.Cmte – Democrat

 

JD Vance

US Senate Candidate, Ohio – Republican

 

Congressman Tim Ryan

US Senate Candidate, Ohio – Democrat

 

Stanley Greenberg

Founding Partner, Greenberg Research

 

Andrew Feight

Dir, Scioto Historical Project

 

Max Liles

Senior Dir, The Counseling Center

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Trump I can’t see it very well. Okay, I will do this. I’m gonna do this. Let’s go.

 

THE DAY AFTER A MOB STORMED THE US CAPITOL ON JANUARY 6, 2021, DONALD TRUMP’S AIDES URGED HIM TO ISSUE A CONDEMNATION OF THE ATTACK.BUT HE STILL COULDN’T ADMIT THAT HE LOST.

 

Trump But this election is now over. Congress has certified the results. I don’t want to say the election is over. I just want to say Congress has certified the results without saying the election’s over, okay?

 

THE FORMER PRESIDENT IS BEING INVESTIGATED FOR TRYING TO OVERTURN THE 2020 ELECTION AND FOR TAKING CLASSIFIED DOCUMENTS TO HIS MAR A LAGO ESTATE. BUT HE IS STILL THE FRONTRUNNER FOR THE 2024 REPUBLICAN PRESIDENTIAL NOMINATION, IN LARGE PART DUE TO THE SUPPORT  OF WHITE CHRISTIAN NATIONALISTS.

 

Perry About 40 percent of the Republican base is – is white Evangelical, but about 80 percent of the Republican base is – is white Christian And a large percentage want to institutionalize an ethnoculture where people like us are back in power and can maintain that power indefinitely.

 

SUPPORT FOR TRUMP AND REPUBLICANS IN THE MIDTERMS IS ALSO BASED ON HIS BIG LIE THAT DEMOCRATS STOLE THE 2020 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION. AND ON A STEADY STREAM OF PROPAGANDA ON SOCIAL MEDIA AND RIGHTWING NEWS OUTLETS.

 

Carlson These are not hearings in any recognizable sense. This is a show trial.

 

FOX NEWS WAS THE ONLY MAJOR NETWORK NOT TO CARRY THE JANUARY 6 COMMITTEE HEARINGS. BUT THEY WILL SEND THEIR PRIMETIME STAR TO HUNGARY TO PROMOTE ITS AUTOCRATIC PRIME MINISTER VICTOR ORBAN.

 

Carlson Why did you take a different position on migration from other European states

 

Orban They believe firmly that if different communities are mixed up, the outcome of this will be good. But I think it’s very risky, and the chance that it will be not good, but very bad is

obvious.

 

Beauchamp American conservatives like Tucker Carlson embrace an Orban-like view of the United States. They reject the traditional view in the US that immigrants can be assimilated, that immigrants can be a positive contribution and become Americans

 

ZACK BEAUCHAMP,A SENIOR CORRESPONDENT AT VOX WHO WRITES ABOUT RIGHTWING POPULISM, HAS VISITED HUNGARY SEVERAL TIMES TO PROBE ORBAN’S POLICIES.

 

Beauchamp Victor Orban’s Hungary is the most revered foreign country on the American right today. And I think the admiration in the US comes from the fact that he fights and he wins.  But he does so through undemocratic tools, through really profoundly undemocratic tools to the point where – few seriously think Hungary should be termed a democracy anymore.

 

Abeshouse So, the appeal of Orban is, what, that even if you have to give up democracy to preserve your heritage and promote Christian values its, okay?

 

Beauchamp No, this is what’s really crucial about the way that modern authoritarians operate.They keep the rhetorical language of democracy.They don’t tell you that you give up democracy. And what Orban has is a kind of strategic brilliance, it's the twisting of all sorts of state policies in many subtle ways that add up to the essential abolition of democracy, even though the system retains a democratic veneer.

 

OUR INVESTIGATION OF THE AUTHORITARIAN THREAT IN AMERICA CONTINUES WITH AN EXAMINATION OF A POLITICIAN WHO SEEMS TO HAVE TAKEN A PAGE OUT OF VIKTOR ORBAN’S PLAYBOOK, FLORIDA GOVERNOR RON DESANTIS. HE IS THE FAVORITE TO BE THE 2024 REPUBLICAN PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE IF TRUMP FALTERS.

 

DeSantis The left wants // to marginalize the conservative half of the country.//They want to delegitimize our founding institutions, and they want to replace that with their left wing ideology as the foundational principles of our modern day society.

 

WE WENT TO FLORIDA TO EXPLORE DESANTIS”S POLICIES. OUR FIRST STOP WAS BREVARD COUNTY WHERE BATTLES OVER EDUCATION HAVE BEEN INTENSE. AT A COMMUNITY FAIR, KIM HOUGH WAS CAMPAIGNING FOR A SEAT ON THE BREVARD COUNTY SCHOOL BOARD.

 

Natsot:We just need our community to constantly be supportive of our public education

 

IN 2021, HOUGH STARTED AN ORGANIZATION CALLED FAMILIES FOR SAFE SCHOOLS THAT WANTED CHILDREN TO WEAR MASKS IN SCHOOLS TO PROTECT AGAINST COVID-19.

 

Hough And our governor had said that you cannot require masks. And we were real concerned about the safety of our kids' health, and we quickly found out that our school system was kind of being attacked from a political angle that we hadn’t known was happening

 

A CONSERVATIVE GROUP CALLED MOMS FOR LIBERTY HAD SPRUNG UP TO OPPOSE MASK MANDATES. IT WAS SOON PRESSURING THE SCHOOL BOARD TO BAN BOOKS, AND ALTER INSTRUCTION DEALING WITH RACIAL AND GENDER ISSUES.

 

Moms for Liberty Woman: Regarding your LGBTQ guideline. Either parents have the right to direct the upbringing of their children or they don’t. Either we have a representative form of government or we don’t. According to your guidelines we have neither.

 

GOVERNOR DESANTIS, WHO IS RUNNING FOR RE-ELECTION, SAW OPPORTUNITY IN THE DIVISION OVER LGBTQ ISSUES.  IN MARCH, HE SIGNED A BILL THAT BANS DISCUSSION OF GENDER IDENTITY AND SEXUAL ORIENTATION  IN KINDERGARTEN  THRU 3RD GRADE, AND INAPPROPRIATE INSTRUCTION AT HIGHER LEVELS. IT ALLOWS PARENTS TO SUE FOR VIOLATIONS. CALLED THE PARENTAL RIGHTS IN EDUCATION ACT, HIS CRITICS DUBBED IT THE DON’T SAY GAY BILL

 

DeSantis They are sloganeering because they support sexualizing kids in kindergarten. They support injecting woke gender ideology into second grade classrooms.

 

MOMS FOR LIBERTY, WHICH NOW HAS DOZENS OF CHAPTERS ACROSS FLORIDA, LOBBIED HEAVILY IN FAVOR OF THE BILL.

 

Hough They think teachers are indoctrinating children into the LGBTQ, what they would deem lifestyle. There's so many things they're afraid of. I'm not afraid of my children finding out about it. I'm not afraid of talking to my kids about it. And so, I feel like it's an overblown situation

 

THIS YEAR, DESANTIS ALSO PUSHED THRU HB7, THE STOP WOKE ACT. IT ROLLS BACK DIVERSITY TRAINING IN THE WORKPLACE, AND RESTRICTS THE WAY RACIAL ISSUES ARE TAUGHT IN SCHOOLS

 

DeSantis We believe an important component of freedom  in the state of  Florida is the freedom from having oppressive ideologies imposed upon you without your consent

 

Zack Beauchamp: [00:38:19]Orban and DeSantis share a kind of demagogic politics that says they’re coming for us, whoever the “they” is, and, typically in both of their cases it is socially liberal individuals, especially the LGBT community

 

Abeshouse Do you see a connection between DeSantis’ Stop WOKE Act and Viktor Orban’s strategies?

 

Beauchamp Yes, Both of them are attempting to seize control of our educational systems. This is in part because education is the space in which citizens are acculturated, you know, we learn ideas or what it means to be a good citizen. On a deeper level it’s the professors and the schoolteachers who are  a really potent reservoir of liberal cultural power and influence and they need to be squashed or brought to heel.

 

Spar With this bill and the idea that one individual could say, I have a concern with the way something's being taught, and if you don't stop, I'm going to sue you, is quite concerning to us in the education field, and teachers across this state.

 

ANDREW SPAR IS THE PRESIDENT OF THE FLORIDA EDUCATION ASSOCIATION WHICH REPRESENT THE STATE’S TEACHERS

 

Spar You can end up with that extremist who wants to shut down the fact that we're teaching an honest history about the Holocaust, or we're teaching about slavery, or the Jim Crow laws. It has a chilling effect. It's making people question, can I teach this or not?

 

IN 2021,THE DESANTIS ADMINISTRATION ALSO BANNED THE TEACHING OF THE 1619 PROJECT, WHICH STRESSES THE ROLE OF SLAVERY IN SHAPING US HISTORY. AND IT FORBID CRITICAL RACE THEORY, A LEGAL UNDERSTANDING OF SYSTEMIC RACISM, FROM BEING TAUGHT IN PUBLIC SCHOOLS.

 

Spar What we've been seeing in general in our public schools is this idea of maybe not teaching all of our history, whitewash our history.

 

Abeshouse Opponents of the Parental Rights in Education bill and so-called Don't Say Gay Bill were accused of setting kids up for sexual abuse and sexual deviancy, were accused of being groomers

 

Spar Teachers are not groomers. I heard some crazy things that I won't even repeat here. And when a teacher is threatened because they are part of the LGBT community//It’s crazy. it's anti-American, quite honestly.

 

DeSantis CPAC The woke is the new religion of the left. And we’re going to lead the charge here in Florida. But we need people all over the country to be willing to put on that full armor of God to stand firm against the left schemes. You’ll be met with flaming arrows, but the shield of faith will stop them.

 

Perry Ron DeSantis is I think carrying out a--a policy agenda that appeals to all of the things that white Christian Nationalism applauds. Not just nationalism in the sense of patriotism that we are great, but what made us great was these specific things, Christianity, capitalism, white ethnoculture, traditional gender roles. And those who question that narrative are not true patriots.

 

Justice It is now our distinct honor to award the first ever Liberty sword to America’s Governor Ron DeSantis.

 

MOMS FOR LIBERTY HELD THEIR FIRST NATIONAL SUMMIT IN JULY, AND

HAS TAKEN OFF SINCE IT WAS FOUNDED

BY A FORMER BREVARD COUNTY SCHOOL BOARD MEMBER, TINA DESCOVITCH, AND TIFFANY JUSTICE, A SCHOOL BOARD MEMBER FROM A NEIGHBORING COUNTY.

 

Descovich Moms for Liberty has grown in just 18 months to 37 states, over 200 chapters, and 95,000 members.

 

Abeshouse Do you think public schools are indoctrinating kids to be un-America?

           

Justice Yes, I do. I do think that there is something happening right now in America, where there’s not a lot of value being placed on how unique our country is. And we don’t want our children to be taught that somehow America is tarnished in a way that isn’t – that there are no redeeming qualities left. May be you can add to that.

 

Descovich I think it starts with that America is systemically flawed, that we are systemically racist.

 

Abeshouse Your organization lobbied for the Stop WOKE Act //What does woke mean to you?

 

 Justice Nonsense.       

 

Descovich Yeah, it’s a perfect terminology, nonsense. Teaching five-year-olds that their gender is fluid, that’s nonsense.//

 

Abeshouse You’re conflating like the gender issues and the history issues, right? Many parents…

 

Justice Stop WOKE.

 

Abeshouse Think the Stop WOKE Act is preventing kids from learning about the true history of the country. And it’s an attempt to whitewash the history.

 

Descovich Yeah, that is untrue.

 

Justice There's a difference between teaching the real history of our country//and teaching divisive, toxic ideology, that's meant to divide children and make them feel hopeless about a future in America

 

Abeshouse A lot of people feel that the agenda that you’re pushing, in terms of elevating LGBTQ issues is marginalizing the group. If you look at authoritarian regimes they commonly target LGBTQ folks to propel their agenda.

 

Justice Is this the part where I got to remind you, you work for Al Jazeera?

 

Abeshouse Sure. Orban, I mean, Victor Orban talks about it. There are situations where there’s been an elevation in violence.

 

Justice Here, let me stop you right now. We are not anti-LGBTQ. But the media, and the President of the United States, the Biden administration they do not like Ron DeSantis. They do not like the stance that he’s taking, and it’s become political. They want to divide the country. Again, divide the country.

 

Jones They don’t want their children learning about the changing of America. They just don’t. And America’s changing

 

SHEVRIN JONES, A DEMOCRATIC STATE SENATOR FROM MIAMI, IS VICE CHAIRMAN OF THE COMMITTEE ON EDUCATION IN THE FLORIDA SENATE.

 

Jones We have a teacher shortage. We have a mass exodus of teachers who are leaving the classroom. It’s also alarming to point out that our students are extremely confused of what can happen if they go to school to try to find help, if they want to talk about their sexuality

 

Abeshouse Did you ever ask any of your colleagues on the education committee or Governor DeSantis what they mean when they say woke?

 

Jones Yes and they don’t even know where it’s originated from. The whole stay woke was a terminology that was telling people to stay alert of what’s happening around you. It was after the constant death of Black men by the hands of police officers. And so, for the governor to counteract that with Stop the WOKE Act is racist, and I will continue to say at it’s core it is racist

 

Abeshouse Some people talk about Florida as the laboratory of authoritarianism. Do you think that’s an apt description?

Beauchamp There’s really something to that. You know,especially in state control over education, social views and expression. And DeSantis has implemented a variety of//Orban style, culture war, authoritarian tactics//

 

BUT IT’S NOT JUST IN FLORIDA. ACROSS THE COUNTRY, DEMOCRATIC EFFORTS TO COUNTER REPUBLICAN CULTURE WAR TACTICS ARE CRITICAL IN THE FIGHT AGAINST AUTHORITARIANISM. TO SEE HOW IT’S PLAYING OUT, WE  HEADED NEXT TO OHIO TO EXAMINE A KEY US SENATE RACE BETWEEN DEMOCRAT TIM RYAN AND FAR RIGHT REPUBLICAN JD VANCE.

 

Vance ad JD is the conservative outsider who will continue the fight to secure our borders.

VANCE’S OPPONENT TIM RYAN IS A  CONGRESSMAN AND DEMOCRATIC POPULIST.

Ryan ad That’s why I’ll take on China to bring jobs back to Ohio, and fight for a tax cut that puts money in your pocket. You want culture wars. I’m not your guy.

Greenberg I think he’s the only one who can win, but I think it will be a close election.

STANLEY GREENBERG IS ONE OF AMERICA’S LEADING DEMOCRATIC POLLSTERS. HE ARGUES THAT THE ONLY WAY TO COUNTER AUTHORITARIAN TRENDS IN THE COUNTRY IS FOR DEMOCRATS TO START DELIVERING FOR WORKING CLASS VOTERS.

Greenberg It’s probably three-quarters of the population are people who do not have a four-year degree. They have watched decade after decade with declining income, lost wealth, lost power. At the same time. they think big corporations have been using their money to control government, rig the system. And they’re not wrong. The elites don’t see them and with that kind of invisibility they will reach for anything. They will reach for a strong leader. Trump fulfilled that.

 

Abeshouse Do you see the J.D. Vance versus Ryan race as a microcosm of what’s going on in the country between the Republican cultural war and the Democrats’ attempts to put forth an economic populist message?

 

Greenberg Yeah,I mean Vance adopted Trump’s whole vision. And I think Ryan’s vision really is the hope for Democrats thinking about the next presidential election. Because he is forthright in battling for working people. He articulates their discontent. He’s angry about it, and that’s what working people need to see.

 

Ryan You guy’s are like the future of Ohio. So, we are counting on you ok.

 

WE CAUGHT UP WITH CONGRESSMAN RYAN WHILE HE WAS CAMPAIGNING AT BUTLER TECH WHICH OFFERS TRAINING FOR HIGH TECH MANUFACTURING JOBS.

 

Ryan at presser I think one of the dumbest things we’ve ever done as a country is tell kids they have to go to college and we lost a lot of the kind of skillset that you get in a place like this.

 

Abeshouse What do you think it going to take for the Democrats to win back the working class?

 

Ryan Go meet with them. We’ve been in all 88 – all 88 counties. Talk about the issues that are important to them, jobs, wages, pensions, benefits, their kids//rebuilding our communities, infrastructure  these are things we should be able to agree about these are all American things.

 

IN HIS CAMPAIGN TO WIN BACK WORKING CLASS VOTERS, RYAN HAS TRAVELED SEVERAL TIMES TO PORTSMOUTH IN SCIOTO COUNTY. FOR DECADES THE COUNTY WAS SPLIT ABOUT 50-50 BETWEEN DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS. BUT SINCE 2016 ITS BROKEN 70- 30 FOR TRUMP AND THE REPUBLICANS.

 

Andrew Feight: [00:28:25]We were once really a strong union, Democratic voting city.

 

ANDREW FEIGHT, DIRECTS THE SCIOTO HISTORICAL PROJECT. PORTSMOUTH’S PAST IS CHRONICLED IN 55 MURALS COVERING  2,000 FEET OF FLOODWALL

 

Feight Portsmouth was a major center for steel production. At its height, the steel industry here in town probably employed about 5,000 workers. Then the steel mill began to shut down in about 1970 but took a decade for it to be completely shuttered

 

Abeshouse People here also worked at a nearby uranium plant.

 

Feight That’s right. But that was also shut down right around 2000. We had a hallowing out of out of middle class. We lost population as residents moved away. And I think a lot people were frustrated and I think they saw a solution in what was being promised by Donald Trump.

 

ALREADY DEALING WITH ECONOMIC DECLINE, ABOUT 15 YEARS AGO PORTSMOUTH WAS OVERUN BY UNSCRUPULOUS DOCTORS  WRITING PRESCRIPTIONS FOR THE OPIOD, OXYCONTIN. IT CAUSED IMMENSE SOCIAL |PROBLEMS, AND THE TOWN IS STILL DEALING WITH THE FALLOUT TODAY. AN ABANDONED SHOE FACTORY IS BEING CONVERTED INTO A STATE OF THE ART ADDICTION TREATMENT FACILITY.

 

Liles This building here is going to be dormitory where individuals are going to be housed.

 

MAX LILES IS THE SENIOR DIRECTOR OF THE PROJECT.

 

Liles 95+ percent of our budget is just Medicaid dollars. And shout out Barack Obama for the Affordable Health Care Act. Shout out, Republican governor at the time who adopted Medicaid expansion in Ohio

 

DONALD TRUMP OPPOSED BOTH THE AFFORDABLE CARE ACT AND MEDICAID EXPANSION, BUT WON VOTES BY DRAWING ATTENTION TO THE OPIOD PROBLEM AMONG THE WHITE WORKING CLASS. VANCE USES THE OPIOD CRISIS AS A WAY TO WAGE CULTURE WAR.

 

Vance Ad: Are you a racist, do you hate Mexicans? The media calls us racist for wanting to build Trump’s wall. They censor us but it doesn’t change the truth. Joe Biden’s open border is killing Ohioians. With more illegal drugs and more Democrat voters poring into this country.

 

Liles Those are polarizing topics that immediately pull you one way or another. It’s a strategy to take people who are in the middle and leaning to the right to pull them all the way to the right.

 

Abeshouse When I was driving down here, I saw a few signs on the side of the road. It said, Joe Biden’s, you know, infrastructure bill provided 500 thousand jobs. Do the Democrats get any credit for that in terms of the economy down here?

 

Liles I think at the end of the day, really, what we have is like, is one party, and it’s rich people. So ah, I think a lot of the people are critical of the president no matter what

 

Greenberg Well, it’s only because the Democrats aren’t advancing an economic message that actually addresses the loss of income and wealth combined with the inequality at the top, the billionaire’s impact and control over government

 

Abeshouse But the Republican message is about wokeism, is about immigration, about LGBTQ rights. They seem to be trumping the economic message now.

 

Greenberg You’re going to solve it by giving working families the kind of support they need. And they are looking for that. They’re very open to a larger governmental role in healthcare, income support. People, Biden voters, Trump voters, embrace that. And they believe that if you can check the billionaires power and provide the kind of support for working families, it can be different.

 

Beard guy I don’t know. I think they’ve got their work cut out for them, at least in industrialized areas like Ohio,

 

THIS MAN WAS SELLING BEARD GROOMING SUPPLIES AT A CRAFTSFAIR IN PORTSMOUTH.

 

Beard guy I actually work at a paper mill. And the Republican party seems to be kind of what the Democratic party used to stand for, the – the blue-collar, working-class people and the Democrat party that has now seems to have went way off the rails in my opinion.

 

Abeshouse Do you think that white folks are as discriminated against as African Americans?

 

Beard guyI think they are. I mean, it’s – it’s in different ways, I guess, but I mean, you know//a white male has less chance of – of getting a job you know, in certain situations

 

Abeshouse Do you feel that Trump stood up for Christianity, that Christianity is under siege in America right now?

 

Beard guy I do. I mean, it’s been – been under siege for years, but //that that has really exploded maybe in the last five to ten years.

 

Jewelry maker Well, unfortunately we’re in an area where there's still some closemindedness and I believe that there are a good amount of people that are okay with racial slurs and bigotry. And I honestly just think that it's all a mess and everyone just wants it their way and their way is the old way of let's just, you know, have people of color sitting in the back of the bus and like they – it's we’re going backwards.

 

Perry We found that the more white Americans subscribe to Christian Nationalist ideology the more they believe that they will be targeted and that Black Americans will not be targeted. In fact, Black Americans will be protected.

 

Abeshouse Do you think Ohio Senate candidate, J.D. Vance is trying to win votes by playing to the fears and policy preferences of white Christian Nationalists?

 

Perry So, J.D. Vance has actually unleashed the rhetoric of – of white Christian Nationalism and populist authoritarianism and has found it quite effective.

 

Vance ad bite:On the one hand, the elites and the ruling class are robbing us blind, and on the other hand if you dare complain about it you are a bad person

 

Perry He wants to stoke fear, anger, and perceptions that good people like us, white Christian Ohio Republican voters are under attack. We’re being called racist. We’re being called xenophobes because we want to build a wall to keep those people who are trying to replace us out.

 

AT A BAR KNOWN FOR HAVING A MURAL   OF TRUMP ON THE WALL, WE MET A TECHNICIAN AT A LOCAL CHEMICAL PLANT, AND ASKED HIM WHO HE SUPPORTED IN OHIO’S RACE FOR THE US SENATE, WHICH IS NOW A VIRTUAL TIE.

 

Guy at bar JD Vance

 

Abeshouse Why do you like JD Vance?

 

Guy at bar The America first policies, and the wokeism. Wokeism’s got to end in this country, okay? Our country will not succeed, we will not be a superpower under wokeism.

 

Abeshouse So you like what Ron DeSantis is doing in Florida?

 

Guy at bar Absolutely. We’ll follow Ron DeSantis the same as we follow Trump. I’m tired of hearing Trump supporters. It ain’t Trump supporters. It’s America First Supporters

 

DeSantis I’m on a mission to make Florida free. Let’s make sure Ohio stays free…

 

LAYING THE GROUNDWORK FOR A POTENTIAL PRESIDENTIAL RUN, SHOULD TRUMP NOT BE NOMINATED, GOVERNOR DESANTIS CAME TO OHIO TO STUMP WITH  JD VANCE. NEITHER AGREED TO BE INTERVIEWED. 

 

Justice I've got moms across the country, Democrats, Republicans, Independents, you know what they say to me, all the time? I wish Ron DeSantis was my governor. I can't wait to vote for him for President.

 

Beachamp A DeSantis candidacy could lead to a pretty significant shift in the Republican party towards full-scale Orbanism. So, I think we are at risk of it happening during the 2024 election and we’re at deeper risk of American democracy at the national level being thoroughly hollowed out over the course of the next 10, 20 years.

 

THE ODDS  FOR DEMOCRATS  IN THE UPCOMING MIDTERMS ARE IMPROVING, DUE IN LARGE PART TO WIDESPREAD OUTRAGE OVER THE  SUPREME COURT’S OVERTURNING OF ROE V. WADE AND THE ASSAULT ON ABORTION RIGHTS. BUT TWO OUT OF 5 AMERICANS THINK CIVIL WAR IS AT LEAST SOMEWHAT LIKELY IN THE NEXT DECADE, AND  58 PERCENT SEE THE REPUBLICAN MAGA MOVEMENT AS A THREAT TO US DEMOCRACY..

 

Perry You’ve got a very, very motivated and militant and mobilized contingent of Americans who subscribe to Christian Nationalist ideology and they want to fight to preserve their power. And it's going to take a broad coalition of Americans who can put aside their differences long enough to say you know what the real threat right now is this radical right, neo-fascist, authoritarian regime that wants to take all of our rights, that wants to take our country in a direction that is anti-democratic. It is un-American.

 

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