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INSIDE RUSSIA

TRAITORS AND HEROES

TIMECODES

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Skabeeva in studio

*24th FEBRUARY, 2022

Russian State TV

00:01:10-00:01:24

This is a special broadcast. In response to a request by our allies in Donbas Republic

Putin has announced the beginning

of a military operation in Ukraine

to protect Donbas from the Ukrainian Nazi regime.

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Skabeeva in studio

Russia state TV archive

00:01:25 -00:01:31

I’d like to stress

Russia isn’t attacking civilian infrastructure.

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CAPTION:

EKATERINBURG

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social media film

00:01:40-00:02:03

We're defending the interests of our country.

Our great Russia.

We stand with our president, our Commander-in-Chief.

For the faith and the family.

For my holy, living soul.

The devil is not my guide.

Vladimir Putin, Yekaterinburg is with you.

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Pasha

CAPTION:

PASHA

00:02:09-00:02:26

I felt like something had broken in the world.

Before that, war wasn't a tangible thing.

A thing that could actually happen.

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Chanting 

Archive of protests

00:02:27-00:02:33

No to war.

No to war.

No to war.

No to war.

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RUS News archive protests

00:02:35-00:02:45

We are bombing cities and peaceful civilians.

These are war crimes.

Russia will be free.

Putin is turning into Hitler.

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Caption:

Ekaterinaburg

archive, protests against the war Ekat

00:02:49

Shame.

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DIMA

00:02:57-00:03:04

I don't see the point in going to the square to shout 'No to War'.

I'll end up in jail for three days.

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00:03:05

Fucking cockroach.

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DIMA

00:03:07-00:03:15

Nothing will change.

I'd be on my own.

Protests were broken up brutally from the start.

It was impossible to organise. 

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AFTER THE INVASION RUSSIA INTRODUCES A NEW ‘DISINFORMATION’ LAW.

IT IS NOW A CRIME TO CALL THE INVASION A WAR OR TO DEMONSTRATE AGAINST IT.

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SUPER

PSLCh ART COLLECTIVE

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Lyonya

Lyonya at desk

LYONYA

00:03:38-00:03:43

We'll draw our Z like theirs, with a broom stroke.

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Lyonya

Lyonya at desk with sticker design

00:03:45-00:03:53

00:03:54-00:04:12

00:04:14-00:04:18

00:04:19-00:04:25

00:04:27-00:04:37

We got together and we realised

.we cannot and we will not remain silent.

We're going to do what we are good at.

We will speak out.

We will write.

We will draw.

‘Cargo 200’ is a term

for transporting corpses.

When you ship a corpse, that's how you label the cargo.

We used the Z symbol on our stickers in the phrase 'Cargo 200'.

 The Russian letter 3  was replaced with the Latin Z.

We used this symbol from the front.

So we could show how we see this thing.

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Dima

Printing stickers

Dima IV

00:04:45-00:04:52

00:05:02-00:05:19

NOT SAID IN THIS EDIT

We pasted these stickers around the city.

For about two weeks, we stuck up 150-200 of them.

Five of us were doing it. On your way to work.

We gave them to friends

One sticker on this lamp pole, another on that wall.

Discrediting the army had been made a crime. 

We were aware of the danger.

So, we were careful about how we did it. 

This is our attempt

to say publicly

what cannot be said in public.

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Song: In the Report

by Naum Blick

a tough history lesson that shouldn't be forgotten. We had time to think and decide what we want, how we are ready to live, what we need in order to live normally ... ".

"...Immediately cast into granite

Those who owe their heads to the fatherland ... "

No juror will forgive

Who are you, foam rubber man

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Dima

Dima IV

00:05:31

00:05:36-00:05:57

00:06:00-00:06:04

We were all drinking together.

 In the middle of the night everyone went home.

But Lyonya wanted to keep partying.

He was happily drunk.

He took stickers and spray paint

 and came to find me.

I was walking down the street to find Dima

At that moment we were talking on the phone.

I hear on the phone, 'Hello, sergeant'.

And the call ends.

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Lyonya

Lyonya IV

Night shots and of police station

00:06:06-00:06:11

00:06:18-00:06:27

00:06:28-00:06:37

00:06:39-00:06:44

00:06:47

00:06:48

00:06:55

They searched me.

And they find the spray paint and the stickers.

They take me to the police station.

Some guys in civilian clothes arrived.

"We need a room without a camera."

I think: ‘ Thiss is not going to end well.’

I say, "I want my lawyer."

I get a good smack in the face for that.

His task was to convey a very simple idea.

There would be no lawyer, no calls.

I was powerless.

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Kirill

News footage of Kirill

CAPTION

Patriarch Kirill

Leader of Russian Orthodox Church

00:07:02-00:07:24

Our homeland is going through difficult times. Therefore we pray especially today for our armed forces.

Our fighters

who give us hope.

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CAPTION

VORONEZH

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Nina

CAPTION

NINA

LOCAL COUNCILLOR

00:07:31-00:07:41

It wasn't only Patriarch Kirill

who blessed the war.

Other church leaders also blessed it.

This is a disgrace for them all.

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telegram message translated on screen.

00:07:47-00:07:57

The Russian army that is currently carrying out military action is anti-christian and has nothing to do with the Christian faith.

Putin is a classic heretic.   Many priests have been brave enough to say so.

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DISTRICT COUNCIL MEETING

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Nina

00:08:02-00:08:07

I thought, there's nothing on the agenda about this.

I started filming just in case.

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Nina

UGC

00:08:09-00:08:15

I started pointing my phone at a piece of paper

because I didn't know what he was going to talk about.

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Council Member

UCG

00:08:16-00:08:24

I was genuinely outraged by the statement of

District Council Deputy Nina Belyaeva on social media.

She wrote that our soldiers in Ukraine are unchristian.

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UGC

00:08:25

Stop filming.

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Nina

UGC

00:08:28-00:08:32

No, I won't stop filming.

If it's going to be like this

then I'm filming everything.

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Nina

UGC

00:08:34-00:08:53

Yes, I did say that

killing other people, umm

on the territory of another state.

This has nothing to do with national self-defence.

This is nothing to do with the Christian faith.

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UGC

00:08:54-00:08:56

You've been asked to talk about these posts. What did you say?

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N

UGC

00:09:02

I commented.

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UGC

00:09:03

I didn't understand anything at all.

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Main IV with N

00:09:05-00:09:07

It felt like I was being torn to pieces.

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Nina

UGC

00:09:09-00:09:13

Why doesn't she shut her mouth?

You haven’t answered… What’s your position…

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Nina

00:09:13-00:09:26

I got hold of myself when I remembered that people right now in Mariupol,

Kharkiv, and Kyiv.

They’ve lost their loved ones.

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Nina on podium

00:09:26-00:09:44

I am against the decision taken by the

President of the Russian Federation

and against the actions that are being carried

out today on the territory of the sovereign state of Ukraine.

I consider what's going on to be a war crime.

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Main IV

00:09:47-00:09:57

I couldn't be such a coward.

At a minimum I had to support them with a few words.

No one attacked our country.

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Nina

UCG

00:09:57-00:10:19

So life, not

life, no, it's about this, it's about this.

And no one would attack tomorrow.

This is just what the propagandists poured into your head.

Because there is no real evidence that Ukraine was preparing to attack our country.

None. None. None.

There is no such proof.

Only unfounded statements.

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NINA

NEW CAPTION;

FOUR DAYS LATER

GVs

zoom call with Nina

00:10:34-00:10:36

00:10:36-00:10:41

00:10:43-00:10:48

People have been writing to me.

Even from farms and villages

with words of support.

I was feeling so lonely

but I’ve received so many messages of support.

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Caption:

RUSSIAN PARLIAMENT BANS FACEBOOK AND INSTAGRAM.

YOUTUBE IS STILL AVAILABLE.

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YouTube channel 'What To Do?'

independent television.

*MOSCOW

VOX POPS

Alla and people on street

CAPTION

ALLA AND MISHA

YOUTUBERS

00:11:04-00:11:06

Hello.

Hello,

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00:11:10-00:11:13

00:11:13-00:11:16

00:11:17

Where did freedom of speech in Russia go?

I’m not going to answer that question because I can’t answer it.

Thank you

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00:11:19-00:11:22

00:11:24-00:11:25

//////

Where has freedom of speech in Russia gone?

Did it ever exist?

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00:11:27-00:11:28

00:11:29-00:11:33

00:11:35-00:11:36

00:11:37-00:11:38

00:11:40-00:11:45

00:11:46

Alla: In the beginning we had an idea.

We wanted to talk not only to people on the streets, but politicians too.

But how can you talk to opposition politicians now?

Everything they say can be seen as illegal.

For those of us still in Russia, how can we talk to each other?

We are giving it a little go.

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VOX POPS

00:11:49

00:11:52

00:11:55

00:11:55

00:11:58

00:11:59

00:12:03

00:12:06

00:12:13

00:12:17

00:12:22

00:12:23

00:12:29-00:12:33

00:12:34-00:12:37

00:12:38

//////

Where has freedom of speech gone in Russia?

I'm too young to answer this question.

I'm ready to answer.

Freedom of speech is gone.

Can we talk about sensitive political questions?

You can, but be careful not to break the law.

We worry about the people who give us interviews.

Freedom of speech, well to put it carefully

a lot of people are just afraid.

But that's quite logical.

Freedom has moved to places where it is possible

like at home with friends.

Not out in public.

We're afraid.

It's terrifying sometimes.

ALLA NEW THOUGHT TRACK:

Maybe we’ll be in jail tomorrow.

Nobody is safe.

Every morning could be your last as a free person.

That’s a given.

Hello.

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Alla

VOX POPS

00:12:41

00:12:47

00:12:50

00:12:52-00:12:57

00:12:59

You are young and beautiful.

You have your whole life ahead of you.

Will you go on living here?

There's no way I'm staying here.

Are you planning to leave?

Well, yeah, probably.

Because, let's just say,

without fair elections it's hard to live here.

Thank you.

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Uliana

*ULIANA

00:13:15-00:13:20

00:13:24

The word 'sorry' can't come close to expressing my grief.

It’s impossible to express.

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Iena

Sat in book shop making paper planes

00:13:40

00:13:43-00:13:54

All this is very painful

When the war started, I felt so sick.

The only thing that helps me feel a bit better

is when I am with like-minded people. 

All my life I’ve healed myself with words.

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lena

00:13:55-00:14:10

This is why we needed this show.

Uliana understood my idea straight away.

She agreed immediately.

We have to talk about what’s happening.

Essentially it’s a conversation. It needs to be said.

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Uliana

Readying stage for spoken word poetry performance

Sat against wall IV with U

00:14:17-00:14:44

There is so much inside me that

I can’t say openly. I try to communicate through writers, famous ones. I can speak through them without fear.

Because no one will put me in jail for the word 'war' in these verses.

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Iena

On stage at performance

00:14:54-00:15:02

These aren't planes, these are peace doves. They are coming your way.

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Iena

00:15:08

That one really flew.

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U & I

Performance

00:15:14

00:15:18

00:15:22

00:15:29

-Mama, when will I grow up?

- You want to grow up? Eat a chop!

-Mama, can you buy a horse for us?

-A horse? Don’t be so silly!

-Mama, can I be a pilot in a plane

-You can. You could charm Satan, you won’t plead in vain

-Mama, is war really coming to us? 

And my future will be lost?

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00:15:48

00:15:57

00:16:02

Vanya was the first boy in our family.

Before that we were all girls.

The marines recruited him.

He was based in Sevastopol.

He was just a golden boy.

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Boris: U & V's dad

*ARKHANGELSKOE

60 miles from MOSCOW

BORIS

At home going through photographs

00:16:16.

00:16:22

Vanya, he had a broad upbringing.

This is a photo from his modelling portfolio.

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Vanya

V on screen

Dad at the window….

B watching on phone

00:16:28

00:16:34

00:16:37-00:16:40

I'm Vanya, I'm a student at the Institute of Literature. 

I'm working on a book of short stories. I am in two Kirill Serebrennikov plays.

 I'm the smartest, the most handsome and the kindest person.

I have lots of experience, the most relevant I'd say is at the Bolshoy Theatre.

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Uliana & Vanya's dad

Main IV with B at home and stills of V

00:16:47-00:16:51

00:16:53-00:17:00

00:17:05-00:17:18

00:17:18-00:17:25

He left home.

And fell into the world of Moscow bohemians.

This is the world of theatre

with its own views of life.

Its own ethical and moral criteria.

When Vanya fell out of our world and into that one

he understood that he wasn't like that.

We talked about it.

What should he do?

We decided he should follow in the footsteps of the great writers. That's the army.

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Vanya

Vanya selfie in military gear

00:17:30-00:17:35

 Here's my kit: machine gun, parachute and the reserve chute.

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Uliana

00:17:38-00:17:47

00:17:52-00:18:07

Vanya called all of us, they'd been told to say goodbye to their loved ones

It might be their last call.

We talked for a long time, over an hour. He had tears in his eyes. He held himself together. I say, "Vanya, show me what you have there"

"Show me what you've got"

He showed me a machine gun. Like he used to show me toys as a kid.

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IV with U sat against wall

00:18:12-00:18:25

I asked him a question... Vanya, was this your decision alone? 

It really mattered to me. He said, "Yes. I took this decision myself.”

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Boris

00:18:34

00:18:37-00:18:42

Vanya could always make up his own mind

That is, “we have to go forward and keep fighting.”

“We are the only ones who will do this”

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Vanya

Boris watching on phone

00:18:45-00:19:16

We leave tomorrow, there was no notice.

What can you do?      

You’ve got to smile about it.

We're praying everything will be OK. Our cause is just. I've said it all. Hello to everyone.  I'll write when I get there. Hugs and kisses.

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Boris

Watching on phone

00:19:22-00:19:3

Those are his last words.

I put everything I dreamed of into him

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*Caption:

RUSSIAN STATE TV

00:19:35-00:19:48

Any nation, but especially the Russian nation

will always be able to distinguish between true patriots

From scum and traitors and spit them out onto the pavement

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Locator;

Voronezh

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Nina

00:19:56-00:20:06

For the first couple days after I made my speech to the council I thought, at most I’ll get a fine.

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Nina

UCG

00:20:16-00:20:33

On the third or fourth day the video had reached English speaking countries.

I saw subtitles in Spanish. I realised that a criminal case could be opened against me.

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00:20:34-00:20:50

It was the weekend, so I knew they’d be some delay

before they could charge me because I’m a deputy. First, they need permission from the head of the Regional Investigating Committee.

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Nina

00:20:59

00:21:03

00:21:18-00:21:35

So, it’s March 27th

I filmed a video as I left my apartment. I had no idea when I'd be back.

I had to choose between prison and emigration.

My feelings... I really didn't want to go.

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TEMP GRAPHICS  

00:21:50

00:21:56

00:22:02

Dear Nina! You are a hero to me! I’m very grateful for you brave speech.  You tell the truth when others are afraid and stay silent.

You are not alone!  We are many! We need more people who will speak on our behalf! I will try to share this video as much as I can,

You said something every patriot of our country should say.  It’s hard to tell the truth.

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Nina in car going airport

00:22:11-00:22:18

00:22:25-00:22:58

I don't regret anything because the truth must be told.

The scariest thing was leaving Russia. That is the worst. You don't know if you're on a list. Or whether they'll let you through or not. It's like… a lottery.

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Newspiece

00:23:14-00:23:19

00:23:19-00:23:26

Russia has requested an emergency

 meeting of the UN Security Council.

There has been a brutal provocation by the Ukrainian Nazis in the city of Bucha, Kyiv region.

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00:23:27-00:23:33

In his latest video, Zelensky is demanding prosecution of the Russians and he speaks to the mothers of our soldiers.

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Footage of Zelensky

Nb not our subtitles

00:23:34-00:23:47

What did the Ukrainian city of Bucha do to your Russia?

How did all this become possible?

Russian mothers!

Even if you raised looters, how did they also become butchers?

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00:23:47-00:23:54

in English subtitles,

the word 'executioner' was replaced with the word 'butcher' because it rhymes with 'Bucha'.

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Alla

*MOSCOW

VOX POPS

00:24:03-00:24:06

What do you think about Vladimir Zelensky?[OD1] 

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Alla

VOX POPS

00:24:03-00:24:06

00:24:06

00:24:08

00:24:11

00:24:13

00:24:15

00:24:18

00:24:22

00:24:25

00:24:26

Hello ladies, what do you think about Vladimir Zelensky?

I'm negative.

Why?

Because he caused all the troubles.

He's not a smart person.

And what troubles has he caused here?

We are going to war. Our children are dying, our grandchildren.

Who started the war? How did who start the war?

Don't you know how it started?

I'll explain it.

Our people in the Donbas rose up. They asked for help, and we helped them.

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Alla

Alla main IV

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Alla

VOX POPS

00:24:33-00:24:43

00:24:43

00:24:47

00:24:53

In Ukraine they're bringing back Nazism, fascism, the murder of civilians and children. It's impossible to watch the television without crying.

Maybe you should turn it off?

Have you thought about not watching?

No, well, we turn it off from time to time but it's interesting.

Thank you all so much

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00:24:55

00:24:57

00:24:59

00:25:02

00:25:06

00:25:07

00:25:08

Youtube channel What To Do. (UPSYNC)

I do this for myself, for my conscience

At least somebody is trying to do something.

What do you think about Vladimir Zelensky? (UPSYNC)

But we’re careful.

We’re afraid.

We don’t shout the word ‘war’ on camera.

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114

Uliana

00:25:54-00:26:06

00:26:31-00:26:44

My dad goes to Sevastopol. The guys were expecting him.

They gave him Vanya's things and told him officially he was dead.

They said 'Vanya is Cargo 200, dead.   

He died a hero'.

I thought, what does it mean, 'Like a hero'?   

What does that mean?

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Speaker at funeral

116

Uliana

00:26:48-00:26:53

It's absurd. I don't want a dead hero for a brother. I want him to be alive.

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Priest speaking

00:26:57

 The apprentice in a holy settlement will rest in peace in the bosom of Abraham. . Reunite him with the holy souls…With your holy love…

118

Uliana

00:27:19-00:27:36

I know that something is wrong.

Who are we supposed to be saving there?

 What are our boys dying for?

I could never imagine that my brother

would be brought to me in a zinc coffin.

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00:27:55-00:28:01

00:28:02-

00:28:06

My dad and I have a tough time talking.

Before this happened with Vanya, we didn't discuss the war.

But after he died

we had some awful fights about it.

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Uliana

121

Boris

122

Uliana

00:28:10

I took the bus to university today.

Like an idiot I was carrying a yellow umbrella.

 I walked by the police.

I thought. 'Now they'll arrest me for my blue jeans and yellow umbrella.' Can you believe what I'm afraid of?

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Boris

00:28:23

You're right to be afraid. That's how it gets interpreted now.

124

Uliana

00:28:28

Well, what does it have to do with me?

125

Boris

00:28:29

No, it's not you.

126

Uliana

00:28:32

Before that this guy walks by in a yellow jacket.

They grab him and put him in a police van.

127

Boris

00:28:40

They wouldn't arrest for that.

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Uliana

00:28:42

00:28:44

00:28:46

00:28:48

00:28:52

00:28:56

00:28:57

00:29:03

00:29:05

They arrested him right in front of me!

Not for his yellow jacket.

For the colours, the colours.

We were in a shop and we told the sales assistant

“You’ve got a Ukrainian flag hanging there”

She says “What flag?.

I say “Look at your jacket”

The flag of Ukraine.

What do you mean a flag?

The colours.

I said to her “Are you for the fascists?”

Dad, It’s just colours.

She grabbed her jacket and hid it away.

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Uliana

00:29:08

00:29:12

That flag is a symbol.

It's the flag of a country.

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Boris

00:29:13-00:29:19

It isn't a flag of a country,

but rather a government that preaches fascism.

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YEKATERINBURG

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Lyonya driving

00:29:46-00:29:52

00:29:53

00:29:59

During the investigation, a number of experts were called in, including a psychiatrist for an assessment.

Okay, so I went to that doctor.

This morning my lawyer told me, 

‘The results of the examination are in.’

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Lyonya on phone

134

Lyonya meeting friends

00:30:09

We're going to have some fun!

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Caption;

Ekaterinburg District Court

136

00:30:13

00:30:18

00:30:24

Today we found out the charge is 'vandalism with political intent'.

We'd thought the maximum would be three months.

Now it's up to five years in prison.

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Lyonya

Outside court

Speaking to friend and lawyer

00:30:45-00:31:10

The judge asked the investigator 

some interesting questions.

‘Why is a psychiatric examination being ordered?’

Neither the investigator, nor the doctors, nor anybody…

No one had the answer.

So what the hell was all this for?

This marvellous, wonderful, most humane court in the world is sending me to the madhouse for a month.

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Caption:

Two days later Lyonya is admitted to hospital for his psychiatric assessment.

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Dima

00:31:24-00:31:46

00:31:47

You'll be in a car, right?

You'd better sit in your car and watch

 this crossroads between Lenin and Lunacharsky.

Watch.. If you see a police on patrol 

you have to send me a Telegram message.

Is this the first time we’ve made art without Lyonya?

Yes, I think so.

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Pasha

Dima in car

Pasha main IV

Team putting up words on wall

00:31:52

00:31:55

00:31:59

00:32:05

00:32:13

00:32:15

00:32:22

00:32:26

00:32:28

00:32:32

00:32:36

00:33:02

00:33:07

00:33:13

00:33:18

Hamy, copy, can you hear me?

I can hear you well,

Scared?

Fuck it.

Can we start

Okay, copy.

I’m from a well-fed generation.

I have a pretty simple outlook on life.

My country should be warm, good, comfortable.

But no, they tell me you have to suffer.

Because ‘our cause is just’.

If the state tells us we have to fight for their ideals

People should be ready to sacrifice their lives for the state

with nothing in return.

I’m not a big fan of this idea.

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00:32:45-00:32:58

They are parked next to the club

If they make any movements, I'll let you know.

OK, fine

Start working two rows at a time.

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143

Dima

00:33:24

Leave now, quick.

You need to leave fast!

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THIS POSTER (ART) COULD RESULT IN

CRIMINAL OR CIVIL PROSECUTION

145

Dima Pasha Lyonya

Team talking to Lyonya over phone

00:34:14

00:34:17

00:34:20

00:34:23

00:34:26

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The video’s working.

I can see the green soviet walls.

There's no sound though.

Press the button.

Hello.

That's better.

Hey!

Yes?

 Happy birthday!

Fuck you.

So, how are you getting on in hospital?

Listen... Are they feeding and watering you?

Are they gentle and polite?

The people are alright, gentle and polite.

All I can see is sick people lying down.

So I'm alright with it.

So if I understand you correctly,

they're not treating you there,

they're just looking at you.

No pills and other stuff?

Nothing at all.

I'd never agree to that.

I would be shouting for help.

Did they talk to you at all, did they ask any questions?

I met with a doctor once.

I suspect that won't be the last time.

So you think they will make it 30 days?

I really don't know.

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Tbilisi

Georgia

New caption:

Uliana has gone on holiday with friends.

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Uliana

For compliance;

Artist: Mgzavrbi

Song name: Venice

Lyrics audible in soundtrack:

The meaning of somber and barren

Venetian life is clear to me:

Now she looks into a decrepit blue glass

With a cool smile.

Refined air. Blue veins of skin.

White snow. Green brocade.

They are all placed on cypress stretchers,

Taken warm and drowsy from a cape.

Your headdress is heavy, Venezia,

In the cypress mirror frame.

Your air is faceted. In the bedroom,

The blue mountains of decrepit glass dissolve.

Taking photos in photo booth in Tbilisi

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Another 50 here.

You're heavy.

Vasya, it's not a passport photo.

I'll put it inside my passport.

You have a passport on you?

Always, we're in a foreign country.

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Uliana

Having dinner

Caption Vasya here

VASYA

Uliana’s best friend

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At first I thought everyone was friendly here.

As soon as we checked in we went crazy, dancing away. Then we decided to go out and get some drinks.

The first thing we see is:  'Fuck off Russian warship'

I’ve seen some other stuff about Russians.

I started speaking English.

 I’m feeling really uneasy and ashamed.

Like I’m squatting down to take a crap in public.

caption: PUTIN IS A DICKHEAD

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Having dinner

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It's all a game.

Like some game we played as children

 Like, I don't know, toy tanks…

but on a global scale.

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Tasya

Having dinner

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Are you saying that the decisions

were all made by somebody else?

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Uliana

Having dinner

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People in power started this game.

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Tasya

00:37:25

It's not a game.

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Uliana

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It's a fuck up.

It's a fuck up.

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Tasya

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It's only a fuck up because Ukraine looked towards Europe…

and they have every right to.

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Uliana

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Yes, but there's more to it, there's resources at stake, there’s other stuff going on.

It's like a drunken squabble.

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Tasya

Arguing over dinner

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No, it's simpler than that. If somebody breaks in to your house and starts fucking you up, are you going to defend yourself? If someone starts fucking up Vasya or me, wouldnt you fight back?

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That's it. This is not a game.

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It's a question of who started what, when.

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Who attacked who, Uliana?

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That's it.

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One of them attacked first...

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Who attacked?

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…and the other attacked because they lost a tiny bit of land.

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Do you really believe the Ukrainians were going to attack us?

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Yes, if you believe that…

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But you know it's absurd.

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You don't really believe that?

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I'd like to believe it.

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Uliana

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I want to believe that my brother did not die in vain.

You want to justify the loss.

 It's so painful.

You need to hold onto something.

And I can't blame either side, I can't blame anyone.

I know it was my brother's choice.

Right or wrong, I don't give a shit.

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