Crowd: |
[foreign
language] |
Speaker
2: |
Outside
a Jakarta court, a motley mix of [inaudible] mingle with street thugs,
military veterans, even a local rock star. |
Crowd: |
[foreign
language] |
Speaker
2: |
They're
all here to fly the flag for Eurico Guterres, fated
in Indonesia, but reviled as a war criminal in East Timor. |
Crowd: |
[foreign
language] |
Speaker
2: |
He
and the cult of celebrity upstages the rule of law, but this is bogus
justice, a clumsy Indonesian attempt to appease international outrage. |
Crowd: |
[foreign
language] |
Speaker
2: |
Well
may he look smug as Guterres is not before the court in Jakarta on major
crimes against humanity, he's on a minor charge, for ordering his militiamen
to snatch back some weapons they'd previously surrendered. |
Speaker
3: |
[foreign
language] |
Speaker
4: |
[foreign
language] |
Speaker
2: |
Now
living under so-called house arrest with his wife and young family, he's
insisting that like Xanana Gusmão he's guilty of
fighting for nothing more than his country. |
Speaker
3: |
[foreign
language] |
Speaker
2: |
But
Guterres' version of justice is not recognised in East Timor. It's unlikely
he will ever face trial for his role in two brutal massacres. Politics has
intervened to allow him and many others identified in this report to avoid
their day in court. Many accused of the worst of crimes now hide inside
Indonesia, arguing that they only acted as patriots to the Indonesian cause. |
Speaker
5: |
Patriotism
and murder are incompatible, he had every possible facility to spread his
gospel among the Timorese people. The fact that they voted, overwhelmingly,
against his ideal certainly did not entitle him to use force, violence, and
behave in a criminal fashion against his own brothers and sisters. That's not
patriotism, that's a major crime against humanity. |
Speaker
2: |
While
key players search for a face-saving solution, in this Dili graveyard
investigators from the United Nations Serious Crimes Unit are digging up the
dead again. |
Speaker
6: |
All
the bodies buried here, as a direct result of the violence from '99. |
Speaker
2: |
Despite
their commitment to their grisly task, there is frustration at the UN's slow
response, that these exhumations are still happening more than 18 months
after the killings represents a failure by the United Nations to run down
serious war criminals at all. |
Speaker
7: |
At
the moment there aren't the resources, the competence, or the political will,
for the UN to be able to deliver on justice in these terms. |
Speaker
2: |
While
the United Nations refuses to confront Indonesia, the perpetrators of crimes
walk free. The rights of the victims and their families ignored. In truth,
the real victim in East Timor is justice itself. |
Speaker
8: |
[foreign
language] |
Speaker
2: |
October
22, 1999 was an emotional and bittersweet day for the people of East Timor,
as they welcomed home their hero, freedom fighter Xanana Gusmão. |
Speaker
8: |
[foreign
language] |
Speaker
2: |
Xanana
Gusmão spent 17 years fighting a guerrilla war to
win independence from Indonesia. This was his first day back in Dili, East
Timor's ravaged capitol, having spent the previous seven years locked up in
Jakarta. |
Xanana
Gusmão: |
[foreign
language] |
Speaker
2: |
For
all the emotion and triumph, it was a day tempered by anguish. Few if any of
these people had been left untouched by the brutality of Indonesia's
military, or the militia they created. |
Xanana
Gusmão: |
[foreign
language] |
Speaker
2: |
Justice
is a raw issue here, the scale of the crimes so vast, the evidence so
palpable. James Dunn is the UN's special war crimes investigator in East
Timor, he believes the number of people killed is double the original
estimate of 1,000. |
James
Dunn: |
I
have to say, that what I found most disturbing in this whole investigation,
is not just the killings; it was the brutality that accompanied almost all of
them, people weren't just killed they were brutally killed, and so often the
bodies were mutilated. One particularly vicious case near the border where
two young women who were pregnant, they came across them, they couldn't have
had anything against them, they knocked them down and actually cut open their
abdomens and removed, I mean one of the women were alive and dying, removed
the foetuses and just threw them aside. I mean, it's just that's callous
brutality. It was profoundly shocking to me. |
Speaker
2: |
But
only a very few perpetrators had been brought to book. Justice has been
delayed. |
Speaker
11: |
[foreign
language] |
Speaker
2: |
While
the chief of the United Nations mission in East Timor ask the UN for extra
resources, only one country offered funds, none offered people. |
Speaker
5: |
Was
it a failure of the international community of member states, probably yes.
Was it our failure, probably yes. But the fact remains that, the serious
crimes investigation did not have sufficient people, sufficient investigators
to do a better job. |
Speaker
2: |
Only
a few months ago did the UN create a panel of international and East Timorese
judges to hear the first and meagre list of crimes to be prosecuted. These
men are here to answer charges of crimes committed in the district of Lospalos, but human rights watchers know that these are
only the small fry. |
Speaker
5: |
There
will be some trials of people who have been held in detention for over a
year, for the occasional murder or rape or whatever, but it will be very
surprising if there were any significant militia leader who were convicted of
mass destruction or of multiple murders. |
Speaker
2: |
It's
not just militia leaders who are accused of atrocities, their mentors the
Indonesian military, also remain out of reach. Colonel Tono
Suratman was the leader of the Indonesian army in
East Timor, hailed as a hero by his own disgraced troops. He's accused of
raping this woman, Nancy Sancha Nessia
Manto [phonetic] |
Nancy
Sancha: |
[foreign
language] |
Speaker
2: |
The
wife of a key militia leader, she believes she was assaulted as an act of
retribution after her husband deserted the cause. |
Nancy
Sancha: |
[foreign
language] |
James
Dunn: |
Well
these have to be investigated of course but there have been several reports
that he was involved personally in sexual assault. I can't say any more at
this stage. |
Interviewer: |
Did
you find it credible? |
James
Dunn: |
I
found it credible. |
Speaker
2: |
Although
Suratman denied the allegations, he's one of 23
suspects named by Indonesia to appear before a local human rights inquiry, an
inquiry that's yet to get off the ground, and he's since been promoted to
Brigadier General. |
Speaker
5: |
Basically
Indonesia's approach has been the classic one of a sovereign saying that
we're not going to give up any of our people, and what goes on next door is
basically not a matter of concern to us. |
Speaker
2: |
But
doubtless the major crime against humanity is to be found in Indonesia's own
backyard, whereas many as 100,000 East Timorese refugees remain in camps like
this one in Kupang, the capital of Indonesian West
Timor. More than 18 months after many were forced at gunpoint to leave their
homes in East Timor they remain bargaining chips for militia leaders, as
heinous a crime as their detention continues to be. |
Speaker
7: |
The
forced displacement of civilian populations is one of the most serious
crimes, as a matter of fact it is also punishable under the Geneva
Conventions of 1949 that establish basic rules in times of conflict. |
Speaker
2: |
But
so far the UN has been unable to act. Last year when three of it's staff were hacked to death, they ordered all of
their workers to abandon the refugees and leave West Timor. |
Speaker
5: |
The
United Nations lost three of it's fine officers in Atambua, in tragic circumstances as you know. They were
butchered to request the United Nations to return to West Timor is not a
serious proposition unless we can establish beyond any reasonable doubt that
the Indonesian authorities have restored law and order and have regained full
control of that territory. |
Speaker
2: |
One
of the few groups providing support is the Catholic Church through the Jesuit
Refugee service. It's been calling on the UN to return. |
Speaker
22: |
Illness
is spreading rapidly, there are no doctors, and food is in short of supply.
So what you have is a situation which is desperate. |
Speaker
14: |
[foreign
language] |
Speaker
2: |
Jose
Gomes Baptista is a militia leader also with blood on his hands. He claims
there's now no danger to international aid workers, he and his men will
guarantee their safety. While Jose does not want to go back, other leaders
are trying to cut deals. |
Speaker
7: |
Obviously
they will not return unless they cut a deal, whereby it's understood that
upon their return, they will be given immunity from prosecution. |
Speaker
2: |
One
such militia leader is Cancio Lopes de Carvalho,
he's been linked to the Sawan massacre where at
least 200 people were killed. |
Ken
Gillespie: |
He
was a charismatic leader in his area, he was a powerful man, and he currently
controls probably six to eight thousand refugees, and that's why people are
prepared to talk to him, because it's the six to eight thousand and their
coming home that's important. |
Speaker
2: |
But
Cancio's not going to allow them to go home without
an amnesty. The UN has opened negotiations with him, but insists he must be
prepared to face the law. |
Speaker
16: |
[foreign
language] |
Speaker
17: |
[foreign
language] |
Speaker
2: |
But
reconciliation has its limits, even in this most Christian community. The Suwai Cathedral, previously the site of one of the most
gruesome atrocities now houses informal classrooms. It's a community united
in one belief, that justice must prevail. |
Speaker
18: |
[foreign
language] |
Speaker
2: |
When
the people of Sawai were given a chance to be heard, the rejected the UN's
reconciliation approach, claiming justice had to come first. |
Speaker
15: |
They're
not prepared to forgive some of the more heinous crimes, they're not prepared
to forgive murders that involved mutilation, the hacking of women's breasts,
or the cutting out of tongues. Those sorts of things stick very strongly in
their mind, and they're not prepared to forgive mass murder, and they're not
prepared to forgive activities that involved rape. |
Speaker
2: |
But
the cold political reality is that they will be denied the justice they seek,
lost to the vested interests of the militia leaders, and a lack of will on
behalf of a UN held hostage to conflicting interests at the international
community. Xanana Gusmão now sees the only possible
cause of action as a South African style truth and reconciliation commission. |
Xanana
Gusmão: |
[foreign
language] |
Speaker
2: |
But
East Timor's spiritual leader Bishop Carlos Belo opposes reconciliation that
does not include justice, he insists that those who have committed serious
crimes must be made accountable for their actions. |
Bishop
Carlos: |
When
do you find you meet women and you meet mothers who come to you and explain,
Bishop I'm seeing in the road those militias totally free, no? And they have
killed my son, what about justice? So we are creating some climate of
psychological disease in the Timorese people if we don't take these actions. |
Speaker
2: |
Australian
Brigadier Ken Gillespie heads the UN peacekeeping operation along the hottest
stretch of border between East and West Timor. He's concerned that the
failure to achieve justice and reconciliation may provoke a new round of
violence. |
Ken
Gillespie: |
In
some discussions I had with Xanana Gusmão he made
the point that reconciliation and the election process had to be two separate
processes, that we had to get reconciliation out of the road before we
embarked on the political process because if you didn't there was a chance
that some of the political process could be violent. |
Speaker
7: |
The
risks are enormous in terms of violence, but also in terms of the prospect
that there might not be the establishment of a legitimate nation state. |
Speaker
2: |
Just
days after we visited their camp in Kupang, this
boatload of 500 East Timorese refugees return to Dili. Their return was
marked by suspicion and fear, their future as uncertain as their countries
transition to a peaceful democracy. With East Timor's first democratic
election set for August, the need to reconcile thousands of refugees still
held in West Timor and the demands of the victims for justice, is running to
a very tight timetable. |